Message from @ExceptionalFeather

Discord ID: 469022557774020608


2018-07-18 06:02:27 UTC  

about two weeks old

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/469021113838469127/8vaulues.png

2018-07-18 06:02:29 UTC  

Run like wikipedia

2018-07-18 06:02:34 UTC  

But if you are using wiki for stuff that gets people emotionally charged and you can gain from manipulating public opinion...

2018-07-18 06:03:04 UTC  

Where there's headlines and people can add to it with sources

2018-07-18 06:03:09 UTC  

Political issues, particularly current ones, get heavily brigaded.

2018-07-18 06:03:22 UTC  

I think what 8 values is using is what wikipedia would describe as far as neoliberalism

2018-07-18 06:03:33 UTC  

@Deleted User I can sorta see it. Continue?

2018-07-18 06:03:58 UTC  

I haven't seen much evidence of wikipedia being false and misleading to a significant degree

2018-07-18 06:04:08 UTC  

I'm not entirely sure what just adding sources to headlines would necesarily achieve besides being a big collection of links.

2018-07-18 06:04:15 UTC  

Nah, nah

2018-07-18 06:04:21 UTC  

You have to add to the story

2018-07-18 06:04:34 UTC  

And to prove what you are adding you can provide links

2018-07-18 06:04:43 UTC  

@ExceptionalFeather

Look up a current political figure and look for the words used. Look up some other opinions. You'll eventually find something.

2018-07-18 06:04:51 UTC  

Or even stuff that you yourself have found

2018-07-18 06:04:55 UTC  

Like video evidence

2018-07-18 06:05:02 UTC  

The Gamer Gate people here tend to have lots of complaints about Wikipedia. Evidently they got hit hard.

2018-07-18 06:05:24 UTC  

yea

2018-07-18 06:06:16 UTC  

literally anything that's false but can be supported by 'reliable' media will get on wikipedia no problem

2018-07-18 06:06:45 UTC  

@Deleted User

I can sorta see it, but I'm not sure I see how it is that different in principle from wikipedia if it's just general news.

It's also going to get brigaded hard.

2018-07-18 06:07:09 UTC  

If it was limited to something specific like misleading media narratives and had controls or something to keep from bleeding, I could see it.

2018-07-18 06:08:16 UTC  

not finding any issues here

2018-07-18 06:09:36 UTC  

Something like that for a fact checking site might work

2018-07-18 06:09:40 UTC  

But not for articles i feel

2018-07-18 06:11:03 UTC  

It's usually subtle. Missing Scandals on some politicians. Who gets linked to whom. Inclusion of speculation without denoting it as speculation.

2018-07-18 06:12:16 UTC  

Then there's sometimes really blatant examples.

2018-07-18 06:12:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/469023745860960277/Screenshot_20180718-114246.png

2018-07-18 06:13:05 UTC  

https://archive.fo/YzkIS

versus

https://archive.fo/JJBgx

Around 2015 or so when people like Haidt and Peterson started pointing to certain marxist academics as the intellectual source of the recent social justice madness.

2018-07-18 06:13:40 UTC  

ah I see.. Shivangi is for half genocide

2018-07-18 06:14:01 UTC  

Yes

2018-07-18 06:14:35 UTC  

Lol centrist is either you have both left and right wing opinions or you don't know shit about politics

2018-07-18 06:15:06 UTC  

Though I don't like some of the questions

2018-07-18 06:15:56 UTC  

wow..they aren't even subtle about it @pratel

2018-07-18 06:16:11 UTC  

@ExceptionalFeather

See comment 5 above.

To elaborate a bit. The cultural Marxism as an intellectual source derives from some very specific names: Foucalt being a key figure (who is widely cited in the humanities). Separating speech that "liberates" from speech that "oppresses"

2018-07-18 06:16:18 UTC  

Why can't I find the page on wikipedia

2018-07-18 06:16:24 UTC  

Is it removed?

2018-07-18 06:18:29 UTC  

The basic structure follows the latter version.

2018-07-18 06:19:11 UTC  

Let me put it this way, how much of wikipedia would you say is reliable?

2018-07-18 06:19:31 UTC  

Most of the STEM stuff is pretty good