That's the thing, it's culturally enforced by other members of the community

It's why women from theocracies like iran are ripping off their burkhas

this is a circular argument if you can't agree on the venue, is this denmark, the US, or the middle east?

Denmark

You're acting as though it's the same in every case. In some cases you get killed, and in others you're just shamed.

Middle East it's legally enforced

Only for muslim women though

Of course it’s not the same.

It's not common for shit like that to happen in the US, but they're still pressured to wear hijab here. That's not the same as someone being killed.

Others are just given dirty looks by the police men

honor killings happen in the US

Trying to say that 'they're both being pressured though' is silly.

They happen everywhere what's your point

@Grenade123

I said it's not *common* in the US.

more common than i care for

My point is that your claim that 'they're both being pressured, so it's just as bad' is absurd

Me?

then again, 1 honor killing is more common than i care for

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It's why I said if you want to make sure the women are choosing to wear them, you need to bam muslims

Banning the hijab makes more sense

It's also oppressive to those who are actually making the choice entirely on their own.

How do you know.

What do you even mean how do I know? I know because you're telling someone they're not allowed to make their own choices.

I challenge you, go into a muslim community, find me one person who says she's being pressured into it.

That has nothing to do with the simple fact that you're trying to control people.

I don't care if it's being oppressive to a negligible minority. It's being used for far worse purposes

And, you can wear a chador

I don't like that aspect of the culture any more than you do, but I'm not willing to give up my own, and everyone else's freedom for promises that people will be treated nicer.

You were saying hijab.

Chador is hijab.

In Germany a ban on masks also applies to facial curtains

You have to have an ID-able face in public

@Deleted User but but wearing a hijab is a choice REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

Wear it at home

Covering hair in public is fine though

@Schedrevka Chador isn't hijab you cuck

It covers your head, leaves your face

Hijab is a wide category. It doesn't only refer to veils that cover the face. At least not in the western world.