I want a reasonable expectation of privacy in public

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/31/denmark-passes-law-banning-burqa-and-niqab

@CreativeRealms You'd have to ban muslims for that

It's not systematically enforced, it's culturally enforced

If they can’t assimilate then they should be banned.

The only way to ensure they're choosing to wear it, is to raise them away from other muslims

where? in the middle east? They are theocracies

Being pressured into something isn't the same thing as being forced

Exactly

I’d argue that there are plenty of cases where it’s forced.

Not really

Don’t people get acid thrown at them for not covering up?

Except in theocracies

There are. Places where it can be dangerous not to wear hijab.

@CreativeRealms Yeah, that is "pressured"

So replace forced with pressured.

You really don't consider a difference between someone being told "you should do this" and being shamed for not doing so and someone being violently attacked for not doing so?

That's the thing, it's culturally enforced by other members of the community

It's why women from theocracies like iran are ripping off their burkhas

this is a circular argument if you can't agree on the venue, is this denmark, the US, or the middle east?

Denmark

You're acting as though it's the same in every case. In some cases you get killed, and in others you're just shamed.

Middle East it's legally enforced

Only for muslim women though

Of course it’s not the same.

It's not common for shit like that to happen in the US, but they're still pressured to wear hijab here. That's not the same as someone being killed.

Others are just given dirty looks by the police men

honor killings happen in the US

Trying to say that 'they're both being pressured though' is silly.

They happen everywhere what's your point

@Grenade123

I said it's not *common* in the US.

more common than i care for

My point is that your claim that 'they're both being pressured, so it's just as bad' is absurd

Me?

then again, 1 honor killing is more common than i care for

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It's why I said if you want to make sure the women are choosing to wear them, you need to bam muslims

Banning the hijab makes more sense

It's also oppressive to those who are actually making the choice entirely on their own.