Message from @Vesdii

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2018-08-04 18:31:04 UTC  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Japanese culture isn't beautiful. I really do like a hefty portion of it.

2018-08-04 18:31:34 UTC  

But given how good it is, it's really easy to cross into excessive praise of it where it's undue.

2018-08-04 18:31:55 UTC  

I've been there before, myself. I was once... A weeb.

2018-08-04 18:34:36 UTC  

Like, one of the interesting differences that I learned in Japanese class is one of the initial Japanese greetings. Their equivalent to 'Nice to meet you', our Japanese teacher (who was native and ESL, mind) translated it roughly to 'Please take care of me'.

2018-08-04 18:36:04 UTC  

The dungeon builder bit was probably AROUND the whole "No map" thing

2018-08-04 18:36:20 UTC  

And then they decided that was a little much.

2018-08-04 18:36:26 UTC  

(probably a better refutation)

2018-08-04 18:36:31 UTC  

It was impractical.

2018-08-04 18:37:53 UTC  

anyway a lot of people actually laughed at this translation, but when you really inspect it, there's an important cultural mistranslation. It's really more an equivalent of 'Please treat me well'.

2018-08-04 18:39:34 UTC  

The truth is, it's valid to say that Japanese is actually a rather polite culture, but it's also worth considering it's a culture from which massive amounts of violence have come as well. It highlights exceptionalism in it's modern incarnation, but that exceptionalism comes largely from a culture that doesn't tolerate failure.

2018-08-04 18:40:11 UTC  

There's a reason such a polite-seeming and considerate culture has such a high suicide rate.

2018-08-04 18:40:42 UTC  

Earlier I mentioned Window Seats.

2018-08-04 18:40:49 UTC  

I'm not sure if you're familiar with that expression.

2018-08-04 18:41:12 UTC  

Many Japanese firms don't really fire people.

2018-08-04 18:41:44 UTC  

Instead, if someone has failed them, they move their desks to the outskirts of the office, and basically pay them to look out the window.

2018-08-04 18:42:29 UTC  

It's the dirty side of the asset of 'getting out of the way'.

2018-08-04 18:43:04 UTC  

Day in, day out, no work is crossing your desk. You want to work, but all you've got is an empty desk. They don't trust you to work.

2018-08-04 18:44:02 UTC  

American culture might consider that to be a great job. Well paid to look out a window.

2018-08-04 18:44:22 UTC  

But to a culture that values exceptionalism, and performance, to be not given a chance is insulting.

2018-08-04 18:44:41 UTC  

on a fundamental level.

2018-08-04 18:44:43 UTC  

Sounds kinda cruel even to an American
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2018-08-04 18:45:02 UTC  

Tim just went live.

2018-08-04 18:46:24 UTC  

Shit man

2018-08-04 18:46:31 UTC  

Luke Rudkowski's live right now, too

2018-08-04 18:47:25 UTC  

The 5 fastest people in the world:

5) Tyson Gay
4) Justin Gatling
3) Jesse Owens
2) Usain Bolt
1) Tom Cruise

2018-08-04 18:47:39 UTC  

The reason the window seat thing might not seem cruel to a lot of americans

2018-08-04 18:47:43 UTC  

Things happening in Portland yet?

2018-08-04 18:47:53 UTC  

Just yelling and chanting

2018-08-04 18:48:01 UTC  

Could be, I suspect, because many americans are used to working their hardest and never getting recognized for it.

2018-08-04 18:48:16 UTC  

And therefore coming to Peter's conclusion in Office Space.

2018-08-04 18:48:36 UTC  

Why bother, if they're not gonna give a shit either way.

2018-08-04 18:49:11 UTC  

For no work with pay to sound like torture, has to come from *something.*

2018-08-04 18:49:47 UTC  

It pretty heavily stems from Samurai culture.

2018-08-04 18:49:47 UTC  

Also, that solution sounds kinda ideal to certain managers I've met.

2018-08-04 18:50:04 UTC  

Props to Tim for going to Portland

2018-08-04 18:50:31 UTC  

Reding the air is very important too

2018-08-04 18:50:54 UTC  

In america if you strongly disagree with an idea in a meeting you would say something

2018-08-04 18:51:27 UTC  

In japan even if an idea would lead the company to ruin people smile and agree with it

2018-08-04 18:52:38 UTC  

It's that very Samurai culture I mentioned before.

2018-08-04 18:53:20 UTC  

Samurai weren't Samurai without Lords.