Message from @d3adlyz3bra

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2018-08-07 00:30:56 UTC  

"if a man will not work, he shall not eat" dude !!! That used to be comunist party slogan in my country

2018-08-07 00:31:03 UTC  

yes but those programs are abused by those who refuse to work

2018-08-07 00:31:23 UTC  

So the problem is the people abusing

2018-08-07 00:31:37 UTC  

Big time problem

2018-08-07 00:31:48 UTC  

is it, or is the problem that we don't have clear enough methods of making distinctions between those abusing and those with actual limitations?

2018-08-07 00:32:06 UTC  

Would be both in that case no?

2018-08-07 00:32:38 UTC  

one is a problem the other is a symptom

2018-08-07 00:32:42 UTC  

Or rather when I say the problem is the people abusing is that the problem is about the people abusing

2018-08-07 00:32:58 UTC  

a problem is something that can be solved

2018-08-07 00:32:59 UTC  

hard to catch people that are abusing it without having surveillance on them 24/7

2018-08-07 00:33:08 UTC  

is it though?

2018-08-07 00:33:35 UTC  

yeah cuz without having them watched how do you know they arent acting/lying

2018-08-07 00:33:37 UTC  

The commies used to make ppl surveil each other

2018-08-07 00:34:06 UTC  

Their favorite trick was to coerce school children to grass their own family

2018-08-07 00:34:15 UTC  

grass?

2018-08-07 00:34:19 UTC  

i would argue that that is again a problem with our methods, or ways of measuring, our ability to gain knowledge.

2018-08-07 00:34:31 UTC  

"Tell on"

2018-08-07 00:34:31 UTC  

Well are you giving disability purely based on trust?

2018-08-07 00:34:35 UTC  

if they can act or lie their way into a disability.

2018-08-07 00:35:04 UTC  

its just hard to tell what is wrong with someones body with our technology. some problems you cant see even with MRI's and Xrays

2018-08-07 00:35:09 UTC  

or even CAT scans

2018-08-07 00:35:20 UTC  

i agree, was my point.

2018-08-07 00:36:04 UTC  

Reminds me, a guy I used to know was pulled out of school at age 14 and was never home schooled by his parents so his parents could collect welfare later on.

2018-08-07 00:36:37 UTC  

we would need some form of technology that could tell when something actually caused someone pain like in their joints or whatever else their complaint is that is keeping them from working

2018-08-07 00:37:37 UTC  

Wel it would be helpful, but I don't think it's necessary to reduce the issue.

2018-08-07 00:37:43 UTC  

Is there generally anything severe enough where you can''t work any kind of job and it can't be measured?

2018-08-07 00:37:48 UTC  

A start would be to introduce gradients rather than a simple binary.

2018-08-07 00:38:20 UTC  

sure, you have limitations, but your limitations aren't so bad, so you get some help

2018-08-07 00:38:27 UTC  

from my understanding there is.

2018-08-07 00:38:42 UTC  

its not like oh his leg doesnt work well so he cant work at all

2018-08-07 00:39:01 UTC  

my understanding is that person would not get any aid, because he can work

2018-08-07 00:39:27 UTC  

the current system is if you can work, even if you are messed up, no aid. You have to be so messed up you cannot work, to get full aid.

2018-08-07 00:40:02 UTC  

so a binary

2018-08-07 00:40:10 UTC  

i mean my mom has cerebral palsy and got SS but not the full amount someone that was completely unable to work got.

2018-08-07 00:41:18 UTC  

really? Hmm. Never heard of that, I've heard of differences caused by ssi vs ssdi...

2018-08-07 00:42:32 UTC  

You can be deemed incompetent by the state and get a lot, incompetentcy can just be idiocy which is terrible in my opinion. Should just be mental handicaps

2018-08-07 00:43:05 UTC  

That is another thing, mental health is a major issue that just gets band aids on it.

2018-08-07 00:43:35 UTC  

sure, but a lot of that is still not well understood, and is a lot of trial by error.

2018-08-07 00:43:43 UTC  

doesn't mean nothing should be done, ofc.

2018-08-07 00:44:07 UTC  

That's the thing, is it should be worked towards being well understood

2018-08-07 00:44:07 UTC  

NO, we need the perfect solution... Reeee