that would be a moral claim

Let me finish.

So while I'm of that opinion if I were to argue that point with you, I would have to be willing to be convinced other wise.

I, on the other hand, am all for punching Nazis. But hey, good luck actually finding one.

lol

And we together would be trying to seek what IS right not what we already believe to be right.

correct me if i am wrong, but wouldn't whether or not any given debate is or is not a form of argumentation depend on the intention of the people in a debate?

https://youtu.be/1joIBFzCjFk

Debate is not argumentation it is, by definition antagonistic.

When you go into a debate, you're going into win the debate.

are you?

Yes.

context matters fellas. If you are trying to WIN, you don't need an open mind, you just need your talking points. If you are trying to actually communicate with eachother....on the other hand.

i don't always enter a debate to be right

Then it's not a debate.

sometimes i enter it to prove the flaws in someones logic

That's not a debate.

but it has two sides

Okay, it's not a debate.

that are opposing one another

you guys can debate this if you want, but I don't feel like arguing.

Okay, that's not what a debate is, a debate are two opposed side trying to convince a third party.

Ok, so what is the Dennafenian definition of debate?

I just said it.

wrote it.

an antagonistic discussion between 2 sides?

A competition between two sides.

It's the act of convincing a third party.

What?

So I don't have to believe what I'm debating I just have to convince an audience that I'm right.

feel like im in an ancap server again

Have you ever done debate?

Like the debate team?

i have done debates yes

but not all things i would call debates meet your criteria

some did

What?

So you didn't do debate team.

you had debates?

words have multiple meanings. Do you not understand context?

no, but if being on debate team is the only way to have a debate, then i guess i've never been in one