Message from @Paradox
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Okay, if you want to say that, go for it.
that...
It's still a skill you need to learn, not something you can just read in a book.
"Argumentation is the promotion of discovery of truth though discussion. You don't go into it with pre conceived idea of what is right or wrong."
Tell me, how does one discover truth with argumentation if you cannot have the pre conceived idea of right or wrong? truth is not a form of right? what is the term "right or wrong" mean here, a preconceived notion of the truth, or of a moral right or wrong." If you believe you discovered truth through previous argumentation, but ascertain the notion you may be wrong, and proceed to enter a debate to test how this theory holds up, is that not argumentation?
the skill of persuasion? not sure I'd buy a car from you though.
Okay for example, "Should we punch nazis" I'm of the opinion that we should not punch nazis.
depends on the goal
That violence is a poor means of debate.
that would be a moral claim
Let me finish.
So while I'm of that opinion if I were to argue that point with you, I would have to be willing to be convinced other wise.
I, on the other hand, am all for punching Nazis. But hey, good luck actually finding one.
lol
And we together would be trying to seek what IS right not what we already believe to be right.
correct me if i am wrong, but wouldn't whether or not any given debate is or is not a form of argumentation depend on the intention of the people in a debate?
Debate is not argumentation it is, by definition antagonistic.
When you go into a debate, you're going into win the debate.
are you?
Yes.
context matters fellas. If you are trying to WIN, you don't need an open mind, you just need your talking points. If you are trying to actually communicate with eachother....on the other hand.
i don't always enter a debate to be right
Then it's not a debate.
sometimes i enter it to prove the flaws in someones logic
That's not a debate.
but it has two sides
Okay, it's not a debate.
that are opposing one another
you guys can debate this if you want, but I don't feel like arguing.
Okay, that's not what a debate is, a debate are two opposed side trying to convince a third party.
Ok, so what is the Dennafenian definition of debate?
I just said it.
wrote it.
an antagonistic discussion between 2 sides?
A competition between two sides.
It's the act of convincing a third party.
What?
So I don't have to believe what I'm debating I just have to convince an audience that I'm right.
feel like im in an ancap server again
Have you ever done debate?
Like the debate team?