Message from @pratel

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2018-08-22 00:44:03 UTC  

>Middle class women have been driving the resistance.
Really makes you ponder women's suffrage

2018-08-22 00:44:23 UTC  

I'd argue it was #MeToo.

2018-08-22 00:44:40 UTC  

They've basically re-written alot of the Democratic party at this point.

2018-08-22 00:44:53 UTC  

Didn't the political divide map closest to guns?

2018-08-22 00:45:01 UTC  

Issue-wise, yes.

2018-08-22 00:45:14 UTC  

It's also heavily decided by population density.

2018-08-22 00:45:17 UTC  

that would be authoritarian vs libertarian

2018-08-22 00:45:22 UTC  

not left/right

2018-08-22 00:45:27 UTC  

many gun owning liberals

2018-08-22 00:45:38 UTC  

Guns are a true urban/rural issue.

2018-08-22 00:45:44 UTC  

Also didn't white wahmen get Trump elected?

2018-08-22 00:45:55 UTC  

In part.

2018-08-22 00:45:58 UTC  

many reasons trump got elected

2018-08-22 00:45:59 UTC  

Not in total.

2018-08-22 00:46:04 UTC  

I remember him scoring remarkably well within certain age groups

2018-08-22 00:46:16 UTC  

2016 = Hilary beat herself

2018-08-22 00:46:20 UTC  

2020 = people vote for trump

2018-08-22 00:46:23 UTC  

Mostly voter turnout was low, which favors Republicans.

2018-08-22 00:46:45 UTC  

So glad Harmful is back

2018-08-22 00:47:07 UTC  

Rural people (liberals included) tend to see guns as key tools for fending against animals and potential attackers.

Urbanites (conservatives included) see guns purely as a weapon for crime.

2018-08-22 00:47:51 UTC  

Which is interesting because there are more human attackers in the cities

2018-08-22 00:48:22 UTC  

A theory I like is that rural living tends to make people self-reliant. Urban living makes people dependent.

2018-08-22 00:48:44 UTC  

people in citys have a stronger force acting on them than self preservation

2018-08-22 00:48:46 UTC  

media

2018-08-22 00:49:01 UTC  

So when you're at risk of being attacked, rural people will tend to ask what they might do to protect themselves. Urbanites will tend to ask what it would take to get someone else to take care of them.

2018-08-22 00:49:18 UTC  

besides the government doesent get to spend your tax money on defending you if you can defend yourself

2018-08-22 00:49:24 UTC  

The problem there is that the latter isn't really feasible

2018-08-22 00:49:42 UTC  

Government generally doesn't defend you. Government cleans up the mess afterwards.

2018-08-22 00:49:55 UTC  

Feasibility doesn't matter. Appearance of Feasibility does.

2018-08-22 00:50:01 UTC  

The government doesn't defend you in the present tense. The government tries to disincentivize attacking you and tries to punish your attacker

2018-08-22 00:50:16 UTC  

See but that's where we get into the cognitive dissonance

2018-08-22 00:50:28 UTC  

The argument makes some sense. IF the attacker cannot get a gun THEN they cannot attack you with said gun.

2018-08-22 00:50:35 UTC  

Wherein the left hates both cops and self defense

2018-08-22 00:50:51 UTC  

Or at least the most efficient method of self defense

2018-08-22 00:50:52 UTC  

The weakness is that the government doesn't actually tend to succeed at stopping people.

2018-08-22 00:51:13 UTC  

That argument tends to lead to spoon licenses.

2018-08-22 00:51:28 UTC  

police CAN work

2018-08-22 00:51:30 UTC  

But if you accept the premise, the logic is sound. And the government can at least make it harder for law abiding people and reduce the number in circulation.

2018-08-22 00:51:31 UTC  

Oi m8

2018-08-22 00:51:49 UTC  

But in practice, guns still find their ways into the hands of gangs and the like.