Message from @pratel

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2018-08-22 00:51:30 UTC  

But if you accept the premise, the logic is sound. And the government can at least make it harder for law abiding people and reduce the number in circulation.

2018-08-22 00:51:31 UTC  

Oi m8

2018-08-22 00:51:49 UTC  

But in practice, guns still find their ways into the hands of gangs and the like.

2018-08-22 00:51:50 UTC  

Police can work in some ways yes

2018-08-22 00:51:50 UTC  

but modern police dont work

2018-08-22 00:51:53 UTC  

Like in Chicago, where handguns are banned and nobody gets killed with handguns.

2018-08-22 00:51:54 UTC  

But they cannot defend you

2018-08-22 00:51:55 UTC  

Even in places with gun bans.

2018-08-22 00:52:24 UTC  

It's infeasible unless you live close enough to a station

2018-08-22 00:52:31 UTC  

Or a cop happens to be in the area

2018-08-22 00:52:34 UTC  

theres actually no reason for the militarization of police, if you really think about the weapons police are facing, they havent really changed in lethality since ww2

2018-08-22 00:52:39 UTC  

Police help. It is a deterrent if nothing else. And the law must have a lawman in charge of enforcing it. Or it's pointless.

2018-08-22 00:53:09 UTC  

They've arguably become worse

2018-08-22 00:53:16 UTC  

I wish liberals would stop focusing on HOW people are killing each other and focus instead on WHY people are killing each other. They'd probably have lots of good ideas for tackling that problem. They're much better suited for solving issues of motivation than conservatives.

2018-08-22 00:53:32 UTC  

In the 40s you could own military weaponry

2018-08-22 00:54:12 UTC  

And then in the 60s and 80s they started walking shit back

2018-08-22 00:54:31 UTC  

Kennedy & Reagan.

2018-08-22 00:55:18 UTC  

Complete knee-jerk reaction too, as laws passed wouldn't have stopped the assassins.

2018-08-22 00:55:33 UTC  

That's how most regulation tends to work, TBH.

2018-08-22 00:56:41 UTC  

Like obviously there are still people who get ahold of modern automatics and shit, but for the most part cops deal with handguns afaik

2018-08-22 00:57:19 UTC  

There was a famous case where some bank robbers got some rather high-quality weapons and some high-grade body armor and went absolutely ballistic.

2018-08-22 00:57:24 UTC  

Automatic weapons, whether legally owned or illegally modified, are exceptionally rare in crimes.

2018-08-22 00:57:31 UTC  

That spooked the police forces into arming up.

2018-08-22 00:57:47 UTC  

But I'm also not in agreement with those people who seem to always seem to assume fault with LEOs

2018-08-22 00:58:05 UTC  

Well there aren't many people who can legally own automatic weapons

2018-08-22 00:58:09 UTC  

It's mostly handguns, sawed-off shotguns, etc. But again that's focusing on HOW instead of WHY.

2018-08-22 00:58:15 UTC  

As per last century's legislation rush

2018-08-22 00:58:29 UTC  

And those who do own collectors items and relics lol

2018-08-22 00:58:39 UTC  

I think the actual driver of the militarization of the police is Iraq.

Left alot of spare military equipment no one could really use so the DOD offloaded it cheap.

2018-08-22 00:58:55 UTC  

And I'm not sure that's necessarily *too* bad on it's own.

2018-08-22 00:58:58 UTC  

That seems feasible yeah

2018-08-22 00:59:33 UTC  

A lot of grants were issued for that sort of thing. Basically "Here's half a million bucks for your department, but you have to spend it on surplus"

2018-08-22 00:59:43 UTC  

I think the main issue re:cops is the lack of connection with the community, probably at least in part due to the severe lack of community to connect to

2018-08-22 00:59:54 UTC  

^ The real issue.

2018-08-22 01:00:08 UTC  

And one that I think libertarians in particular don't recognize, understand or plan to fix.

2018-08-22 01:00:20 UTC  

drinking and thinking

2018-08-22 01:00:20 UTC  

Even though it's probably a major driver of the expansion of government.

2018-08-22 01:00:28 UTC  

I plan to fix it, but I can only do it on a local level really

2018-08-22 01:00:30 UTC  

vanilla rum and coke is actually quite delicioso my duded

2018-08-22 01:00:37 UTC  

These are choices people have to make for themselves

2018-08-22 01:00:47 UTC  

@Beemann that's how it starts. That's how it works.