Message from @Atkins
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Or at least the most efficient method of self defense
The weakness is that the government doesn't actually tend to succeed at stopping people.
That argument tends to lead to spoon licenses.
police CAN work
But if you accept the premise, the logic is sound. And the government can at least make it harder for law abiding people and reduce the number in circulation.
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But in practice, guns still find their ways into the hands of gangs and the like.
Police can work in some ways yes
but modern police dont work
Like in Chicago, where handguns are banned and nobody gets killed with handguns.
But they cannot defend you
Even in places with gun bans.
It's infeasible unless you live close enough to a station
Or a cop happens to be in the area
theres actually no reason for the militarization of police, if you really think about the weapons police are facing, they havent really changed in lethality since ww2
Police help. It is a deterrent if nothing else. And the law must have a lawman in charge of enforcing it. Or it's pointless.
They've arguably become worse
I wish liberals would stop focusing on HOW people are killing each other and focus instead on WHY people are killing each other. They'd probably have lots of good ideas for tackling that problem. They're much better suited for solving issues of motivation than conservatives.
In the 40s you could own military weaponry
And then in the 60s and 80s they started walking shit back
Complete knee-jerk reaction too, as laws passed wouldn't have stopped the assassins.
That's how most regulation tends to work, TBH.
Like obviously there are still people who get ahold of modern automatics and shit, but for the most part cops deal with handguns afaik
There was a famous case where some bank robbers got some rather high-quality weapons and some high-grade body armor and went absolutely ballistic.
Automatic weapons, whether legally owned or illegally modified, are exceptionally rare in crimes.
That spooked the police forces into arming up.
But I'm also not in agreement with those people who seem to always seem to assume fault with LEOs
Well there aren't many people who can legally own automatic weapons
It's mostly handguns, sawed-off shotguns, etc. But again that's focusing on HOW instead of WHY.
As per last century's legislation rush
And those who do own collectors items and relics lol
I think the actual driver of the militarization of the police is Iraq.
Left alot of spare military equipment no one could really use so the DOD offloaded it cheap.
And I'm not sure that's necessarily *too* bad on it's own.
That seems feasible yeah
A lot of grants were issued for that sort of thing. Basically "Here's half a million bucks for your department, but you have to spend it on surplus"
I think the main issue re:cops is the lack of connection with the community, probably at least in part due to the severe lack of community to connect to
^ The real issue.
And one that I think libertarians in particular don't recognize, understand or plan to fix.
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Even though it's probably a major driver of the expansion of government.