Message from @pratel

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2018-08-22 01:26:03 UTC  

Community -> Education -> Legislation

2018-08-22 01:26:21 UTC  

Echo chambers leads to tribal mentality, where one group won't listen to the other and they are more willing to use violence to solve their problems.

2018-08-22 01:26:28 UTC  

Or as Peterson would say, "get your own house in order"

2018-08-22 01:26:49 UTC  

People have to empathize before they listen

2018-08-22 01:27:03 UTC  

I'd actually say that the social justice push *and* the white supremacists *and* the rise of nationalism are all reflections of the same desire for people to reform communities.

2018-08-22 01:27:09 UTC  

"Why should I listen to a hateful evil doubleHitler?"

2018-08-22 01:27:13 UTC  

I'd agree yeah

2018-08-22 01:27:16 UTC  

Social justice and white sumpremecists are both racist in nature.

2018-08-22 01:27:18 UTC  

I blame twitter and other medias, for forcing people into echo chambers on social media, thus in turn further entrenching tribalism which is lead to more violent conflicts between people.

2018-08-22 01:27:30 UTC  

But they do create self-segregated cultures and communities.

2018-08-22 01:27:38 UTC  

Social justice and identity politics did push the social medias to this.

2018-08-22 01:27:47 UTC  

People were in echo chambers pre twitter

2018-08-22 01:28:00 UTC  

Twitter just further entrenches it.

2018-08-22 01:28:04 UTC  

What I am saying.

2018-08-22 01:28:06 UTC  

There were different forums for different groups, different entire websites even

2018-08-22 01:28:12 UTC  

They are making the problem so much more worse.

2018-08-22 01:28:13 UTC  

And networks of sites

2018-08-22 01:28:23 UTC  

@Dusty Morgan I'm not sure I get the relation of echo chambers and stuff to the formation of communities. Are you saying local community orgs are bad because they form echo chambers? Or are you saying it's a seperate issue entirely?

2018-08-22 01:28:24 UTC  

No. I think twitter is just a litmus test

2018-08-22 01:28:45 UTC  

You're looking through the microscope now and you don't like how far things have gone

2018-08-22 01:28:59 UTC  

@Beemann Exactly. DailyKos and FreeRepublic both existed and I'm sure the bases hated each other.

2018-08-22 01:29:21 UTC  

I am saying the community orgs today are "FORCING" people into echo chambers, which leads to them being exposed to identity politics without any counter argument to persuade them from following those politics.

2018-08-22 01:29:47 UTC  

They don't force them into that though. Block bots are voluntary.

2018-08-22 01:30:09 UTC  

You don't conform to my ideology and you are making people offended, therefor you are banned from this thread.

2018-08-22 01:30:27 UTC  

No one wants to engage and debate, to thus change the mind of the individual.

2018-08-22 01:30:50 UTC  

It's not like SocJus2016 was listening to Mark Cernovich prior to the Twitter crackdowns

2018-08-22 01:31:20 UTC  

And admin abuse has been a thing for a long time

2018-08-22 01:31:46 UTC  

I am not talking about smaller social media, the forums, discord, etc, etc...

2018-08-22 01:31:53 UTC  

I think these problems go back a lot further

2018-08-22 01:31:58 UTC  

I didn't say you were

2018-08-22 01:32:01 UTC  

I am talking about the big social media sites, the ones that controls communication around the world.

2018-08-22 01:32:07 UTC  

Yes, so was I

2018-08-22 01:32:40 UTC  

It is so much more likely that you will be exposed to bad ideas and entrenched in the ideas when people are always like... your racists and fascists, therefor you must only be placed in the echo chambers with actual racists and fascists.

2018-08-22 01:33:08 UTC  

No aspect of Twitter's operation can make it more divisive and echo chamber-y than the actual echo chambers that existed prior

2018-08-22 01:33:28 UTC  

That were already being used by its current user base

2018-08-22 01:33:44 UTC  

Before twitter started shadow banning and placing people into bubbles for "Content" that they want to see, we were able to talk to each other and exchange ideas together.

2018-08-22 01:33:51 UTC  

REgardless who you were and where you were from.

2018-08-22 01:34:11 UTC  

The bubbles are user created. Blockbots formed natural borders

2018-08-22 01:34:11 UTC  

Yes there was echo chambers, but they were small and in the fringe.

2018-08-22 01:34:26 UTC  

Now they are massive and split between the left and right.

2018-08-22 01:34:34 UTC  

They already were