What I am saying.

There were different forums for different groups, different entire websites even

They are making the problem so much more worse.

And networks of sites

@Dusty Morgan I'm not sure I get the relation of echo chambers and stuff to the formation of communities. Are you saying local community orgs are bad because they form echo chambers? Or are you saying it's a seperate issue entirely?

No. I think twitter is just a litmus test

You're looking through the microscope now and you don't like how far things have gone

@Beemann Exactly. DailyKos and FreeRepublic both existed and I'm sure the bases hated each other.

I am saying the community orgs today are "FORCING" people into echo chambers, which leads to them being exposed to identity politics without any counter argument to persuade them from following those politics.

They don't force them into that though. Block bots are voluntary.

You don't conform to my ideology and you are making people offended, therefor you are banned from this thread.

No one wants to engage and debate, to thus change the mind of the individual.

It's not like SocJus2016 was listening to Mark Cernovich prior to the Twitter crackdowns

And admin abuse has been a thing for a long time

I am not talking about smaller social media, the forums, discord, etc, etc...

I think these problems go back a lot further

I didn't say you were

I am talking about the big social media sites, the ones that controls communication around the world.

Yes, so was I

It is so much more likely that you will be exposed to bad ideas and entrenched in the ideas when people are always like... your racists and fascists, therefor you must only be placed in the echo chambers with actual racists and fascists.

No aspect of Twitter's operation can make it more divisive and echo chamber-y than the actual echo chambers that existed prior

That were already being used by its current user base

Before twitter started shadow banning and placing people into bubbles for "Content" that they want to see, we were able to talk to each other and exchange ideas together.

REgardless who you were and where you were from.

The bubbles are user created. Blockbots formed natural borders

Yes there was echo chambers, but they were small and in the fringe.

Now they are massive and split between the left and right.

They already were

It wasn't fringe groups

Not to the extent that people are willing to violent beat each other up over their political opinions.

Like I'm pretty sure a lot of lefties just blindly use the GG blockbot

That's the result of the echo chambers

I'd actually say a big part of the issue (and one that was easy to see from the start) was that there is no outlets for such divisions.

Traditionally, political divisions tended to align well with geography so the US had regionalism and federalism.

Now it's no-holds barred federal fights. And the divisions tend to be along urban/rural lines or ideologies without geographic boundaries.

What you are basically saying, you are taking blame from the big social media companies for contributing these echo chambers. I say the social media companies are party of the problem, they are a big part of the problem, they are not the sole cause of the problem though.

I am trying to understand your view.

What's Twitter's involvement? Allowing you to block people?

Mine or Beemans?

It feels like you are trying to say that the big social media companies are not the reason for this.

Beeman.

They arent. This has been a steady buildup

I feel that the big social media companies has accelerated the problem to the end game and is major part of dividing people even more along party lines aka tribalism.