United Nations is a group of nations that came together to push back against encroaching Soviet Union.

News Flash... Soviet Union is dead and why should we keep United Nations together?

I think we should dissolve it and put up treaties in its place.

Agreements between nations...

I think you're confusing UN with NATO

European Union and United Nations is nothing but centralizing power. Centralized powers always become corrupt.

The general effect of the EEC, is that the strong nations get brought down, and the weaker nations get a little economic boost

I mean Nato.

And European Union.

NATO stays so that the US can continue to maintain its status as the World Hegemon

My point does still stand... centralized power will end up corrupted always and it will be abused to bully the weaker nations.

No unified European military is required if they have the US backing them up

Nations that try to pull away, always get attacked by the centralized powers that want to keep them under their control.

Look what happen to Britain.

Without them and the USSR, the US stays as the world hegemon. Having a single hegemon is the best situation in terms of stability.

I notice once United States started to get weaken, all hell broke loose.

Wait ten years and see what happens

Europe wants their own army and isnt scared of russia at all

You mean Britain?

No, Europe as a whole

They want a unified European Military to replace NATO

There would be too much red tape, Europe will crumble before they can attack Russia.

Nations often unify as a centralized entity for wartime, but often cause trouble when they don't decentralize again. We can see this in many cases throughout history

There are two reasons to consolidate military power: defense and conquest

Only way that would happen if they dissolve all sovereignty of the nations under its umbrella and take control of all assets available.

They're already doing that

Free movement zone eliminates control over who they let in

I always found that free movement idea to be stupid.

EU court is above all nation courts

All it takes is one nation out of all them to led bad actors in...

What is going to stop them from moving to your nation?

A good way to understand the good intentions of centralized government is to read the federalist papers

The road to hell is paved in good intentions.

But the unforseen consequences come later, mostly after war

When it's not needed as much

Centralizing power always ends up corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolute.

So many quotes from founding fathers and influential figures really hit home on the issues.

That is why history is important in my eyes.

I actually take issue with the ratification of the constitution (of course not all of it), but the previous constitution was pretty good, other than the inability to unify for war

There is one good thing about these clashes... it is forcing people to research.

There is a silver-lining in everything.