Message from @Dusty Morgan

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2018-08-22 04:11:05 UTC  

There was nothing about the nations under it's umbrella giving up their sovereignty.

2018-08-22 04:11:45 UTC  

In addition to what you're allowed to do, there's also the matter of surveilence

2018-08-22 04:11:57 UTC  

People seem to confuse the European Union and United Nations as one.

2018-08-22 04:12:04 UTC  

Which can't be further from the truth.

2018-08-22 04:12:34 UTC  

Britain and the USA have deep data harvesters installed in Internet exchange stations and ISP datacenters

2018-08-22 04:12:36 UTC  

United Nations is a group of nations that came together to push back against encroaching Soviet Union.

2018-08-22 04:13:06 UTC  

News Flash... Soviet Union is dead and why should we keep United Nations together?

2018-08-22 04:13:22 UTC  

I think we should dissolve it and put up treaties in its place.

2018-08-22 04:13:28 UTC  

Agreements between nations...

2018-08-22 04:13:54 UTC  

I think you're confusing UN with NATO

2018-08-22 04:13:55 UTC  

European Union and United Nations is nothing but centralizing power. Centralized powers always become corrupt.

2018-08-22 04:14:01 UTC  

The general effect of the EEC, is that the strong nations get brought down, and the weaker nations get a little economic boost

2018-08-22 04:14:03 UTC  

I mean Nato.

2018-08-22 04:14:07 UTC  

And European Union.

2018-08-22 04:14:26 UTC  

NATO stays so that the US can continue to maintain its status as the World Hegemon

2018-08-22 04:14:45 UTC  

My point does still stand... centralized power will end up corrupted always and it will be abused to bully the weaker nations.

2018-08-22 04:14:51 UTC  

No unified European military is required if they have the US backing them up

2018-08-22 04:15:09 UTC  

Nations that try to pull away, always get attacked by the centralized powers that want to keep them under their control.

2018-08-22 04:15:15 UTC  

Look what happen to Britain.

2018-08-22 04:15:31 UTC  

Without them and the USSR, the US stays as the world hegemon. Having a single hegemon is the best situation in terms of stability.

2018-08-22 04:16:00 UTC  

I notice once United States started to get weaken, all hell broke loose.

2018-08-22 04:16:12 UTC  

Wait ten years and see what happens

2018-08-22 04:16:24 UTC  

Europe wants their own army and isnt scared of russia at all

2018-08-22 04:16:34 UTC  

You mean Britain?

2018-08-22 04:16:42 UTC  

No, Europe as a whole

2018-08-22 04:16:53 UTC  

They want a unified European Military to replace NATO

2018-08-22 04:17:00 UTC  

There would be too much red tape, Europe will crumble before they can attack Russia.

2018-08-22 04:17:17 UTC  

Nations often unify as a centralized entity for wartime, but often cause trouble when they don't decentralize again. We can see this in many cases throughout history

2018-08-22 04:17:27 UTC  

There are two reasons to consolidate military power: defense and conquest

2018-08-22 04:17:47 UTC  

Only way that would happen if they dissolve all sovereignty of the nations under its umbrella and take control of all assets available.

2018-08-22 04:17:57 UTC  

They're already doing that

2018-08-22 04:18:15 UTC  

Free movement zone eliminates control over who they let in

2018-08-22 04:18:33 UTC  

I always found that free movement idea to be stupid.

2018-08-22 04:18:33 UTC  

EU court is above all nation courts

2018-08-22 04:18:43 UTC  

All it takes is one nation out of all them to led bad actors in...

2018-08-22 04:18:48 UTC  

What is going to stop them from moving to your nation?

2018-08-22 04:19:22 UTC  

A good way to understand the good intentions of centralized government is to read the federalist papers

2018-08-22 04:19:33 UTC  

The road to hell is paved in good intentions.

2018-08-22 04:19:37 UTC  

But the unforseen consequences come later, mostly after war

2018-08-22 04:19:45 UTC  

When it's not needed as much

2018-08-22 04:20:01 UTC  

Centralizing power always ends up corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolute.