Hello everyone! I am not a Flat Earther myself (yet) but i am very open minded. I have always wanted to talk with Flat Earthers because i am curious how they explain some phenomena, so i joined a few Discord servers to learn more about this.
I have watched many videos, including videos that were supposed to explain my questions, but unfortunately they were all vague and unconvincing. So what i really need is a person to explain it, so i can ask questions and get concrete answers!
Even though i have questions about several topics, i will just use one, which i would consider to be the strongest evidence for a spinning Earth (independant of its shape).
If anyone could explain how this phenomenon supports the Flat Earth model (with a spinning firmament on top of the Earth, instead of a spinning Earth with space/stars around it on all sides), then i could be convinced to accept the Flat Earth model as being plausible!
So here is the example, which seems like undeniable evidence for a spinning Earth:
The stars above the North pole spin around a point near the star Polaris. The stars above the South pole spin around another point, in the opposite direction.
This is exactly what you would expect if we would be looking outward on both sides of a spinning object, that is why i consider it to be very convincing evidence for a spinning Earth!
Like ants on a ball, looking to opposite sides of the spinning ball. They can see two different points around which the surrounding environment is moving in circles and the environment would be moving in opposite directions at either of those points.
So i wonder: How could this occur on a stationary Earth with only a spinning firmament on top? Could anyone explain this? ♥

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Even though i did not intend to discuss other arguments (because the example i described above is the most solid piece of evidence for a spinning Earth in my opinion and i wouldn't like to distract from it), i noticed this picture that was posted here as evidence against a Globe Earth, and i can't help myself but to respond to it :)
The first question i had when i saw the picture: How can there be a white horizon with sky and emptyness below it? If it is not a horizon then what is it? I can't imagine any shape of the Earth which would create such a view...
The next question that seemed obvious to me is: How extremely small would the Earth be to have such a significant curvature, that it looks like the lower "horizon" dropped so much while standing just above the surface? (You could probably walk around that entire Earth in less than a day or so? It appears to be extremely unrealistic and thus very unconvincing)

If the shape of the Earth is a globe, and it is as huge as most maps show it to be, then the curvature viewed from that height would be so insignificant that a person could not see it with unaided eyes: You would probably need a very high resolution camera that is zoomed in, and on top of that you would need a flat surface to compare it to... Does anyone disagree with this?

I have the same problem, i can't talk in the "flat-earth" channel for example

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Flat-Earth theorists marshal a number of biblical passages to defend their assertion (e.g., Joshua 10:12-13; 1 Chronicles 16:30; Psalm 93:1; 96:10; 104:5).
One notices instantly that almost every passage cited in favor of the flat-Earth position occurs in a poetic context. To be responsible readers of the Bible, we must respect the genre of literature we are reading. Poetry is to be read differently than prose; it is more expressive, emotional, and metaphorical.
In fact, taking biblical poetry literally would, in some cases, pervert clear scriptural teaching elsewhere, leading to the belief that there are many gods instead of one God (Exodus 15:11; Psalm 86:8), that humans are really gods (Psalm 82:6), that thunder is the voice of God (2 Samuel 22:14), that God slays sea monsters (Psalm 74:12-14), and that God has wings (Psalm 61:4).
Obviously, these passages cannot be understood for what they literally say.

that picture is so fascinating (for reasons unrelated to any discussion), thank you @CAPTAINSQUIDGUY

what if the earth is a cube, and we only live on one side of it, and behind the ice wall are more flat earth areas?

the irregular paths of the planets, satellites, (the earth around) the sun, the moon, wood floating upwards in water, rocks falling down, can all be accurately and reliably mathematically calculated (predicted) by applying the concept of mass (or energy) attracting mass, even for newly discovered planets (or other objects in space) for which we have not yet observed their path

that sounds plausible to me, why is that wrong?

you sound very intelligent sunrazor (just kidding)

real feminism isnt a joke, only modern feminism is

you shouldnt force people to use certain words but it would be polite for them to use specific words if someone prefers that

thats not really forcing, unless its forced by law

its like you can say how you hate black people, but as long as you dont call them names then you are allowed to say it

and yes you can expect to lose business but you have to right to say that

social media also has made it easier to be a biggot anonymously

those sun rays in the picture posted by Derek, seem to show that the sun is not very high above us in the sky (like globies and flatties both claim) but that the sun is standing somewhere on earth (or very close to the ground) with the rays going upwards into the sky instead of downwards towards the earth

we know that lasers do not maintain a constant height above large water bodies... the laser will be closest to the water in the middle of its path

but this is not related to atmospheric refraction so i guess its not a good response to your question ;P

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/592577514564616217/625698091718148117/laser_earth3.png

does this link work? (showing laser test over water)

seems like you are one of the globe earthers trying to convince them otherwise ;P

water is level, relative to its distance to the center of gravity

but water is not level in the sense that it forms a horizontal line (noticable only over large enough distances)

lasers provide strong evidence for curvature

lasers debunk flatness

in the case of lasers curving upwards, they would be compatible with both flatness and curvature

as lasers would be closest to the surface in the middle of their paths

dont you think its very coincidental that your lasers somehow seem curve upwards over water, just like their distance to the surface would be as predicted by curvature?

why?

they dont go over the curvature, thats the point of laser tests, which is why they are nearly hitting the surface in the middle of their paths

you said that you believe that lasers naturally curve, and specifically that they curve upwards over water, do you have any reason to believe in either of these points?

aside from atmospheric conditions that may occur sometimes, do you believe that lasers curve naturally?

so lets only talk about all the tests where refraction doesnt happen (because lasers dont curve in general, otherwise laser tests would be useless)

on a flat earth the laser would go straight on ~~forever~~ very far with equal distance to the surface, while on a curved earth the laser would be closest to the surface in the middle of its path, do you agree?

why not?

you realize that you have just some very poor quality video, because 99.99% of videos about lasers show them going straight, right?

and why would a laser curve downwards on a globe earth?

it proves the point that you are cherry picking the worst possible video and ignoring 99.99% of the evidence that disagrees with you

last time i asked you the question abut why lasers curve downwards you gave a statement about lasers going over the curvature (which doesnt normally happen)

prove it to yourself: google "laser video" and you will just see straight lasers

im not gonna google for you and post the results here

thats fine

space, if you dont think nearly every video shows lasers going straight, why dont you just find 1 high quality video of a laser curving (under normal or controlled conditions) ?

no its not, you say lasers curve, so the burden of proof is on you

so did you

no you didnt

you cherry picked one video, which is the worst possible quality because all good quality videos disprove your point 😄

i proved it indirectly, by suggesting you can google it yourself, because most likely every single video you will find proves my point and disproves yours

who cares about body of water? its about lasers going straight anywhere, including over water or not

every video you found so far that does show lasers, shows them going straight

you just proved it already

100% of the ones you found show it

not over a body of water but anywhere

well im talking about lasers in general (it doesnt matter wether they are over water but over water they will behave the same)

in fact, your video isnt about a body of water

so you still have shown 0 evidence yourself by your own standards

so prove your claim

so you want me to post the entire internet here

and then show you that out of the millions of videos 99.99% of the lasers go straight?

is that the evidence you want?

but is that the evidence you want though?

even if we only include the videos over water

is that the evidence you want?

so you want me to post the entire internet here and then show you that out of the millions of videos 99.99% of the lasers (over water) go straight?

3 minutes to post the internet? 😄

according to globers, anything with energy is affected by gravity (light doesnt have mass but it has a tiny amount of energy)

so you want me to post the entire internet here and then show you that out of the millions of videos 99.99% of the lasers (over water) go straight?
(and your video of the curving laser was not above water, even though you insist that only those videos matter somehow? it was a super low quality video about a laser in a night club and not above water, so thus far 100% of the evidence is on my side)

so you want me to post the entire internet here and then show you that out of the millions of videos 99.99% of the lasers (over water) go straight?
(and your video of the curving laser was not above water, even though you insist that only those videos matter somehow? it was a super low quality video about a laser in a night club and not above water, so thus far 100% of the evidence is on my side)