yeah

also the "everyone i disagree with is x"

comes from america

@Ｋ▲ＩＳＥＲ same

about being libertarian

it's weird because i've never had a formal introduction to any ideology

never sat down with a socialist and talked about what socialism is or a libertarian and talked about what libertarianism is

and so on and so forth

>owning terms

hard disavow on that one

government imo can be as big and small as it wants

as long as it plays servant not ruler

never been a big fan of democracy either

im more of a small fan of democracy instead

oh man i need discord nitro

im so used to the amfirst emotes

the red text ones that just say things

mob rule is spooky

egoist?

🤔

well

oh

ohhh

spook means spy

i meant spooky as in scary

frightening

but yea democracy in a pure form is kinda like capitalism in its pure form

its technically the most free

but in reality it leads people to destroy themselves most of the time

because morality differs from person to person

yea

towards your idea of good and evil

ideas which absolutely do exist

okay that's kinda dumb

throwing away the idea of morality entirely goes against nature

because although details of morality can be argued about forever, nature dictates that humans are a collaborative species and because of this our big brain has developed some objective morals like "not murdering" and "helping accomplish goals" to assist in that

define morals

yeah

if it meant he could save the world

he would

wouldn't you?

because the morality of murdering the infant is contextual

exactly

pretty much no one

exactly

you would kill a baby to save the world

or do what is saving the world in your eyes

morality is real

it's just not external

it all depends on how you were raised and your genetics

these things determine what you believe to be good and bad

and that stands on top of every last second of human evolution

you cannot deny that

objectivists permanently trying not to be btfo

not objectivists

uhhh

what is it called

"If I cannot hold it, if I cannot see it, if I cannot feel it, and if it does not have any physical impact, then I do not consider it real."

this shit

there's a word for this line of thinking

i feel like

yeah i am

definitions for ideologies always trip me up

empathy and love are conscious explanations for morals

which are a subconscious evolutionary trait

yeah

i too am talking about chemical reactions

morality is a social construct that is founded on our instinctive desire to not die

which is what all social constructs are for really

yeah i am

you just keep interrupting me

okay

so

Morality is a word to describe a basic list of rules on how to act around people. Really fucking basic. It's an extension of humans instinctive cooperative nature. Basically your subconscious brain wants to not die so it says "cooperate with other people to accomplish survival" and the way you do that is by acting nice to them. Morals are the very core of nice acts. Doing things for people like holding doors open or lifting heavy objects and avoiding doing things to people like attacking them or murdering members of their tribe. These are all examples of morals. What I think you're arguing against is standards. Standards are the societal rules that we follow which are based off of the morals like dont kill people. For example, if morality says murder is bad, society says murder is bad as well. But in addition to that it also looks down upon threats of murder and seemingly murderous acts.

okay there you go

define special pleading

i dont know what that means

hmmm

then present the facts im ignoring

empathy

alright

hmmm

empathy says survive by cooperation, standards say hold the door and dont be rude, so what does morality say?

>against cooperating with people towards a better life

okay friend

whoa

wait right there

was it morally acceptable or acceptable by societal standards

oh wait here we go

i can make a distinction here

i don't even know the issue

im just trying to define morality

you said everyone has a definition for morality

but i don't have one

so i want to define it at the very least for myself

"do the things you ought to do"

that sounds like a good idea

shutup friend

arent you here from amfirst too