(note how men's issues is not included in the higher value list)

"most"

Ding ding ding

Aye, it is

chapo?

And no, it has nothing to do with any affiliation to any group

That is the worst interpretation I have ever seen \

it doesn't assume anything like that

Feminism started off as working at one issue, and has grown from there.

great, the MRM is here, to work ALONGSIDE feminism

that would be a help

But no, the two movements clash against each other non-stop

At this point, a feminist has just said the same thing

yet

Patriarchy is not about catering to men. I have never said that.

Patriarchy hurts men too: Ever heard that little rallying cry>

How does it cease to be a patriarchy?

Do you know what the word "most" means?

it is not a binary, i tell you that

Statistics

Save it mate, I have heard it thousands of times

like 3 in 4 homeless being men

and 9 in 10 roofless

rbomi.com

how so?

both things the GFW does not deny

Higher power comes with higher cost

no it is not

You quoted individuals

So they are

funny that

Are they?

Oh, so they are credible then?

If Wikipedia the Wise says so

And I don't really give a flying fuck now do I

Good for them

Again, I don't care

Yes, because all of feminism worships those specific three people that I think have not been heard of by the majority of feminists

That is a vast oversimplification

🙄

Tell me, what do you think of Warren Farrell?

What?

No

Tell me what you think of Warren Farrell

I want to know your opinion about him

“Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.”.Ignoring that there is a male version of date rape called date rape, which is already misandrist and screwed up, that’s a direct equivalence. It feels nothing, at all, like date rape.

Farrell is the MRA equivalent of most mainstream feminists

I have never met a feminist who has made anyone an oppressor class

I did not say that "most feminists don't talk in terms of patriarchy"

Oppression by the system. Not oppression through the system

and you know what I just realised?

I have been argued into defending patriarchy theory

@InsaneCaterpilla bullshit

not really, i was using the Geek Feminism Wiki definition

@Indigo yes, the most prominent feminist wiki lists ideas opposed to almost every feminist thinker

riiiight

Because of course that is what *you* would get out of it

"the system of gender-based hierarchy in society which assigns most power to men, and assigns higher value to men, maleness, and "masculine traits"

verbatim

(which I disagree with)

It is not my definition

I never claimed it was

Now if you would kindly all shut up for a minute or two

I would like to write up what I think

"Well now we get to stop guessing at what Sick was trying to say and hear him say it 😉"

as @asparkofpyrokravte said

Farrell was successful for quite some time

And Pizzey was always hostile to feminists

righty ho. So on the topic of Patriarchy theory, here is what I think.
Patriarchy theory is a concept that has existed for millenia. In terms of feminism, it has long been popular (for at least 100 years). Back then, patriarchy theory was very valid.
Women have only been able to vote for ~100 years in most places. The first country to legalise it (New Zealand) just celebrated it's 125th anniversary late last year, and that was well before most other countries.
Problem is, Patriarchy theory has stuck around without much review for a bit too long. It has lost it's strength.

Goodnight folks

I used voting as an example

No, but it was very close to it

women were to oppression as google is to search engines

If you say so

Asides from a mascot, here are some concepts I drew up a while ago:

Four legs good, two legs bad

Well, discord is dead

Discord's connection servers are offline RN

don't close discord or you will not be able to rejoin

That entire thread is a cesspit on all sides.

I found myself disagreeing with literally everyone there.

Are you trying to tell me how I think?

Because I really don't think that is the right way to gain approval

ME: I found myself disagreeing with literally everyone there.

YOU: Nah, just the feminist side.

Sounds suspicious

Are we going to have a repeat of the BlueOrange incident?

It seems like that is impossible unfortunately

In my opinion, u/Mikkelangelo13 is doing far more harm to the MRM than good. Trolling anyone is no way to gain trust for a movement.

To be fair, Mush, toxic masculinity does in fact hurt men. That is kind of the point of the whole concept.

Ooh, new zealand

Hello GG. Good to see you too

I wholly disagree GG

Let's drop all discussions of feminists RN

we are talking about toxic masculinity

Ah, insults and "hurr durr troll"

No wonder I stayed off here during my holiday

And of course, disagreeing is disruption. Groupthink is good.

nah, you

I have been here since the beginning