Everything in this discussion is post-modern, and we're all using Critical Thinking skills

well- I'd hope

@M4Gunner With no prospects or capacity to orient themselves to a better life. And your shocked?

Also yeah, I quite enjoy my free healthcare

This generation ar ethe first generation since the 50s that will less well off then their parents

Home ownership, Social Mobility

both down

^ yeaahhh

maybe they gave them beds to die in?

Or a waiting room chair at least

@Deleted User charity is difficult to uncouple from the bias of the person who made it. So the expectations on the user of the charity range from benign to abusrd to begin with.

@Deleted User What good are they competing over?

@Deleted User Which is far easier to just not care about

@Deleted User Then you are at the very least are dependant on a charity opening up in your area else your fucked

@Deleted User Probably true. As ours works. And yours- well don't.

@Ruggwain by Tory fucking design

@Deleted User mate, I'm happy to concede to alot of points where people just blame the tories. When its the NHS, its a purposeful attack and disemberment

@Deleted User Centuries of Political philosophy disagrees with you mate

@Ruggwain labour I will happily admit gave the conservatives the gun to put the NHS down with. They are still pulling the trigger

@NightOwl of course private is better. But the UK private landscape is developing well because of the NHS. it allows for companies to easily step in in certain sectiors and Consumers to pick and choose where they want higher care. Such as Dental.

I was more thinking like BUPA and shit

Not all

or at least not in the way that the NHS won't foot the bill

More foodbanks yay!

Apathetically Benevolent =/= Good

Pretty sure the standard is inherently self-interested

Not evil

Don't see the connection

You still need moments of redistribution in local areas to resolve problems of the 'Left behinds'

@Ruggwain you used the word social bro, shhh, you'll trigger peepz

^

unions are as neccesary as the private companies for a good society

Im not denying that. I just believe the pendulum swings and we've swung too far the other way

@Deleted User How do we get government regulation without Collective action to draw attention?

@Baraban With say.. a representative to voice their group agreed views?

cheers

@Baraban Yeah fair

@Deleted User Unions eventually hurt workers, Minimum wage eventually hurts worker. Nothing is static and a dynamic landscape requires a variance in responses

@Deleted User by and large people prefer to eat and be victimised, thann starve. That position works if we all have the capacity to be spiteful and starve in the face of terrible conditions

@NightOwl It was profittable

@NightOwl it was when they sold it

This is gunna be gud

dont shout him down, i want to hear his justifcation

that isn't claiming they don't exist

it's claiming they are good

^ topbantz

In a non-Marxist way, if my choices are starve or work for less them im worth. if I chose to work it doesnt mean I like it. Just means I dont want to starve

yeah ok

yah

@versterven if anyone was still alive with the british empire doing that to them, I might give a shit

@versterven and yet when you put it like that, it feels cringey

@versterven because its an esoteric name for as Muhammad said "The shit that was there before you" thats only purpose is to attach a guilt value to descendents and make yourself look smarter than you are

its also more a limitation of available options then a forcing of certain options

@versterven words gather cultural meanings as the people who use them, use them. If the words your using have unfortunate cultural connections because say; a bunch of whiny people who don't know what they are on about use those words in place of an actual argument. You should change your words to avoid that connection.

@versterven or at least be prepared to defend your personal definition as the 'correct' one

It would be bigger in nanoseconds

Still doesnt cha\nge the relative scales

Capitalist scum

?

with his coffee and chocolate balls

Bai @Deleted User luv u

pretty broad from what ive seen @Deleted User

@Deleted User Thats probably the norm. But lefties who don't freak out about identi politics are hard to spot

I am also a Brit so I quite like that

'free' healthcare and education is good

@Deleted User the liklihood of something devolving is neither a statement for or against its 'good'ness

Eh, the only reason I returned to watching Sargon is because he stood by his principles at Day of Freedom. So I don't see how he hides anything.

So we shouldn;t have safety nets because sometimes they can become crutches?

@Deleted User if temp is the aim. surely that means social education is good? thats tempoary for everyone

1. Morally superior puritans

thats about it

fuck you @M4Gunner some junkies are great

#notalljunkies

I really don't 😦

@M4Gunner sincerely?

Good beer thou

Triathalon @Deleted User

serious question sort of related to what @Deleted User is doing. If an male born person whose doing the trans shit requested (not demanded) to be called she, would you?

thats why i specified requested meng

what constitutes effort?

and @M4Gunner if lying to yourself has proven psychological ebenefits, why not abide it?

@meratrix sometimes theres a high cost barrier that cant be reached for some time with that

@M4Gunner Data kind of suggests it does

@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] same thing isnt it?

@M4Gunner 60% of people who transition report greator life satisfactotion post, 80% report greator physical satisfaction with themselves

thats fair. Im honestly not coming at this from a "YOU MUST" way

so your cool with them pretending @M4Gunner but you won't play along? at all?

So?

lets say they are. Why not just refer to them as they'd prefer? You aren't a shrink, you can't change their mind

But doesn't that mean you can't be friends with them?

Because you refuse to give them the common decency of referring to them as they'd prefer

if some dude referred to me exclusively by a different name, I wouldn't be mates with them

So you'd rathar exclude perfectly reasonable traps from common respect because of SJWs?

Do you greet strangers with "Fuck you cunt"?

why not?

Not making that claim. Saying Common Decency has a minimal level of respect we put out in the world

That minimum level of respect to me, also suggests I should refer to people I don't dislike as they prefer to be referred to.

where'd I say right dickhead?

Not non-existent

How do you know the one you are talking too isn't part of that small number?