but it's still an imperialist bloc, just one with interests against the national bourgeoisie of the US and Europe

yes, so I say, every try to help other nations is for the national bourgeoisie not for socialism

it obeys the logic of capital not proletarian internationalism

@Ornament Check this https://espressostalinist.com/2013/04/21/anasintaxi-on-the-restoration-of-capitalism-in-the-soviet-union-part-1-the-working-class-in-the-khrushchev-brezhnev-period-was-no-longer-the-owner-of-the-means-of-production/

Stalin denounced the cult of personality

if something it was permitted

we have to know the melting point of the policies and they have heads

human suffering isn't any fuel

in the USSR the life expectancy skyrocketed and the GDP growed, as well as the limitation of the labours of work

but I disagree with a tenet of leninism

I think banning factions breeds revisionism because it removes the accountability and the culture of revision with the ones who are in charge

Trotskyists say that it was temporal

and pro-Stalin advocates say it wasn't

I doubt that even in a temporal ban you could restore it again as you wanted

but what they discuss more is the thing of permanent revolution

and pro-Stalin people think that in this case, it isn't leninist and that it would kill the revolution

and then we have council communists

and bordigists

*bordiga gets offended* 😛

The party has a clear theoretical line

an in an anarchist case we could use a platform and unions

blanquism isn't leninism

(coups)

but today, we have bourgeois economy in the university, the mainstream economy

neoclassical-keynesian and even austrian

in socialism this is easier once we can educate the people

the media isn't owned privately for profit as now

it doesn't mean it has to be managed by the party, it could be self-managed by different workers

In socialism

Today in capitalism the big business owners control the big media, you can look how they're connected, they're hierarchic and they have the same interests, they all support a capitalist ideology

We're in a control system now, and the academia has the neoclassical pseudoscientifc model; debunked by marxists economists like Cockshott

haha no

not even the mild ones, like Venezuela who aren't even socialists

in my country there's a socdem party emerging

and they manipulate them accusing them of uspporting Venezuela, even a minimal reform, they start manipulating

a few nationalizations aren't socialism

I speak Spanish

I can get the sources

well, the CIA financed the opposition elections against the Socialist Party of Chile for example

And a lot more

The US has military bases all over the world

What are you @OF-8 to tell me the tolerance for leftism?

politicians have to follow the interests of the economy, otherwise they screw it up

the dictatorship of the capital

your tribe can't be free until world socialism

as it keeps the capitalist relations of production

capitalism isn't a model in a vacuum

it becomes distorted, the market distortion is a dynamic which is inevitable

only for copyrights, to reward or not reward the innovation, is enough to push for corporations

how do they have an interest in socialism when socialism would remove all their profits?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7PGpB8CcAArXBE.png

are you part of the bourgeoisie?

oh jews...

yes, tell me how removing the big capitalists (nazis say they're jews) would change the base of the economy

you have to change all or new big capitalists would emerge again

that is, with socialism

also criticism for market socialists

again the market distortion is present and it leads to a big enterprise sooner or later depending on the economy, business to big to fail

since there's no planning

why?

aaah you believed the judeo-bolshevik-international-communist conspiracy of the nazis

it is

the economic theory of socialism has nothing to do with judaism

in fact, Marx say about religion that it is the opium of the people

and Hoxha achieved the first atheist state

removing Islam as possible, which was reactionary

against women rights

nazis were supported by capitalists like Henry Ford

islam isn't a branch of socialism

you didn't read marx

neither utopic socialists

I read about catholicism

ex catholic

No

I was educated in catholicism

but I guess there are different sects

and what has islam to do with marxism?

@OF-8 You're reading Marx from the enemies of socialism

if you're a worker they're putting an ideology against your own interests

http://ciml.250x.com/archive/5classics/english/hoxha_religion/hoxha_on_religion.html

Marx says that religion is the opium of the people, when people are in misery

They search for Gods

to comfort themselves

and not act

So Lenin in Marxism and religion says that we need to be patient for objective economic conditions, then I'll get away; but religion doesn't have to influence the party

The Constitution of the USSR allowed religion but not against the aims of socialism, against women rights, that is, against socialist and progressive values

there are easier books that aren't capital

that can be read in one day to understand it

You didn't read the "garbage"

And why do you say it is garbage, what's wrong?

Mein Kampf has pseudoscientific racism and mason conspiracy inside it

Marx discovered labour exploitation

forced freedom?

and why do you seizing the means of production is garbage

the nazis didn't do that

no, but from liberalism

private education is the problem, here public education is a treasure

you probably misunderstood marxism

you say the ideological underpinnings

what's the problem then?