The Big Oof
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I didn't say that
I said you should not invite foreigners as they usually do not identify with your nation
There will always be some of your own people who do not identify with your nation, and that's fine,but does that mean you should add to that number?
Let's say
you have 100 million people in Bullshitland
It didn't imply that, because you never asked me about it
Instead of asking what my position was
"Well then, what about your own people who hate your country?"
for exa,ple
You, again
As I have said before
Argued with yourself about something I never said
I never even addressed it
They are bad
No, that's right they ARE bad
But they don't have to be deported or murdered
They can stay
Those two things aren't contradictory
Have we established what my position is first before you argue with the voices in your head?
It's not an ad-hom, because I did not use it in place of an argument
Yes, but it wasn't an argument
Yes
If you intend to state my position so that I don't have to address a strawman again and we getit straightened out now
I wanted you to state it, but it doesn't look like you're going to
So it's find
*fine
I'll do it myself
Having foreigners be dissidents within your country is not the same as having your own people be dissidents
Both are bad
Alright, well then I'll answer yours
To put it simply:
It's bad because a fractured nation will not stand, for one.
Since you're pretty materialistic, we can explain it like this:
What if you're a nation like China, and your country splits apart?
You're no longer a superpower, and are far less capable of defending your now broken up country from outside nations that seek to take it by force. @SilverLining
Nations with large regions of people that don't care about the rest of the country tend to have those regions break away
in short
it started here @Snakeisninja
this is when I entered
No
Define what you mean by triumph @SilverLining
That's a different question than "is it good"
If your nation starts killing its people, for example, then it's okay not to align with it, lol
@Deleted User DM me the proof
no homo
I know that sounds gay, but I need to confirm
You're using vague terms here
Your original question
Was
"Why is having dissidents and disloyal people bad?"
That is a different question @SilverLining
You're asking me different things
@SilverLining The nation is the highest loyalty if your nation is a nation-state
Assuming, you know
it doesn't kill them
Even then, you can argue that the real discontent arises with the government
not the nation
Being loyal to China isn't the same as being loyal to the Communist Party.
Mexicans are loyal to neither the United States or the United States Government
Yes, you should prefer Germans to other people.
To ensure your nation's longevity
Please don't
yes @Snakeisninja
Because the backwoods farmer would most likely defend you if your country was attacked, first of all
Wheras the urbanite would most likely defend his ethnic kin first
You don't really have to
But you should defend your country
The state is a means to an end
What are the invaders there for?
"Just reason" is subjective
Invaders are almost there to spread their influence
^
Communists are inherently internationalist, aside from some fringe movements like National Bolshevism
Even then
"Should I defend the german homeland, the german people, even though if I did so, I'd likely be persecuted after making my effort"
This is a bit irrelevant, but to you would actually probably be spared
Hitler spared Jews and also let blacks fight in his army
*some Jews
But it's irrelevant
Morality is subjective
@Snakeisninja For one left wingers don't believe in moral relativism
They believe in a rebranded form of moral objectivism
They just call it something else
They all view the world in black and white
@Snakeisninja Marxists
Even though he's not a Marxist
Let's use that as a starting point
"The history of the world is the history of class struggle"
Black and white thinking
"Even though he's not a Marxist
Let's use that as a starting point"
I am not @SilverLining
Most do
no
Everyone post Franco flags!
@Snakeisninja I'll have to explain my thinking to you one day "in person"
In short
I believe the best moral system
is one derived from logic
@SilverLining Nobody is doing anything
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