Yes, SVN has its use cases, but I came not across them.

Dude, I saw the BitKeeper shitshow unfold.

The creator got butthurt because the community didn't want to use his proprietary client. So they started reverse engineering it with telnet. Then he got so pissed off, he revoked the free license he had granted to the Linux project.

when did that happen?

hasn'

t bit keeper been around since forever?

Alleging they broke the EULA against reverse engineering when installing the client. But since they didn't use the client to reverse engineer, no license was breached.

Right before git was created.

BitKeeper revoked the license, Linux development shut down for a month, while Linus was writing git.

but it's open source now, right?

And you know how SVN was a leap over CVS, because it tracks the whole repo instead of individual files? Guess what, git is designed to also track individual files instead of whole repo, while hg tracks the repo by default.

Open source since 2016, after its user base dropped to nearly zero.

I don't know of a single developer who ever used BitKeeper voluntarily.

A bit like Visual Source Safe, where not even Microsoft would use that steaming pile of shit, but would gladly sell licenses and support.

Typical email in a VSS environment: "who the fuck went home early while holding the lock on this file I need to update?"

i had to use VSS, it gave me ptsd and cancer

It's amazing how Microsoft engineers couldn't figure out it's possible to merge files that were changed concurrently.

I think they could have done that, it's probably more along the lines of whether they liked the feature or deemed it unnecessary.

My main gripe with git is how horribly it fails to "work" as soon as you deviate from the regular "add-commit-push" workflow.

And you have to scramble to stackoverflow to get help.

yeah but I don't know of a better alternative.

Because the manual is full of terms that are unrelated to what you're trying to accomplish, and you even need to use an unrelated git command to do the job you need, as a collateral effect.

Hg, my dude.

Mercurial.

I even `hg clone git://...`.

I never tried either, so I can't really comment on them, but now I will. thanks for the tip

Depending how you get it, it might already come with hg-git and hgsubversion, the two extensions you need to rule them all.

I think TortoiseHg comes with both.

alright, thanks man

HI discord! i need help with math again. (or "maths" if you're weird ;P) Find conditions on "d" such that x^2+y^2=16 and 3x+y=d have zero, one and tow solutions if possible. support your answers algebraically. https://www.desmos.com/calculator using this calc Desmos Graphing Calculator Desmos graph i know that the line intersects the circle at about (+or-) 12.7, but i have to the exact number algebraically, and i keep getting =(+or-)4, and i don't know why, since that's definitely not it

... why would we do your math homework?

Rewrite the second equation so it's `y = ...`, then replace `y` in the first equation with that. You end up with one quadratic equation with one variable, `x`. Find its roots, you end up with an expression with `d` inside a square root operation.

@DanielKO sorry, i got thrown this way, and its part of a "project"

To be more rigorous, break the circle down into two functions; upper semi-circle and lower semi-circle.

```
y = √...
y = -√...```

@DanielKO thanks, i got a finally found a friend of mine, but if that does work, i use that ^, thank you for time

@vapefruit well if the program doesn't use the provided APIs how is microsoft supposed to ensure they work? They can't.

you are not wrong @Deleted User

for applications this is certainly true but in the kernel they constantly mess with things

they change the driver signing rules

they changed certain apis and even structs and told nobody about it

this is how anti virus software breaks all the time

@vapefruit Applications shouldn't be hooking into anything that low level. If it isn't an exposed API things will break

@Deleted User most anti viruses have stopped hooking into things and are using the obcallbacks provided by microsoft which promised to be more sustainable

except they aren't

Driver signing rules IMHO is fine as that is something kernel level.

Even with high level libraries e..g. C# there are problems with people using reflection in certain libraries between .NET version that are compatible e.g. 4.0 vs 4.5 for example

Basically someone has used reflection to use a private method and when the .NET team changes it that lib breaks

@Deleted User yeah I dont do much work with C# though so it's not a personal concern of mine

Well it is the same sort of complaint. People basically used undocumented APIs and it broke a load of code and caused people pain

MS had (not sure if they still do) a division to handle compatibility with older software. Most of their job was identifying which part of the program was using some API wrong, how it just worked by accident, and then replicate the happy coincidence in newer Windows versions, whenever it detects the program doing it wrong.

There was one engineer that posted some articles about it on his msdn blog.

@DanielKO I am aware, however that is them being nice.

One app, I think from Adobe, would forget to initialize a struct to ask for a font. Another, was an audio driver, that would just get stuck in an infinite loop, and the vendor would refuse to fix it.

https://github.com/martenbjork/github-xp

Never use GoDaddy, they're scammers

@Durtle02 ??? what they aren't bad as a rule

lmao they're not bad they're terrible

setup thread

ill start

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/318569060428152832/454652501384495114/image.jpg?width=596&height=447

How do you even type?

I'm guessing they move the piano when they aren't using it

>inb4 he uses the white keys to chat, and black keys to game.

that would be impressive actually

@Durtle02 Dunno what you are on about, at least in the UK they seem pretty decent. My mate is using them for a few wordpress sites and everything works fine.

@DanielKO obviously they use the keyboard 😄

Aren’t there better free sites then Wordpress?

@Deleted User I run servers and I have a few where we host WordPress sites, did you need one?

No

@Deleted User for ease of use and user support Go Daddy is really good from my experience with them. I haven't had a bad experience with them, even the tech support was pretty helpful (I am a .NET dev so apache stuff / nginx stuff I have a hard time with)

If you're just looking for a host DreamHost is pretty hard to beat in terms of cost/performance

lots of features too, and little hassle

github works for static sites at zero cost

@Deleted User I am going to be waiting for that reason why Flask is bad

Flask is great

@Deleted User has a problem with it

@Deleted User lets hear why?

in favor of what?

i prefer ReactJS + Redux with traditional server (nginx, Apache), or Isomorphic Flux + ReactJS with NodeJS.

apples and oranges then.

@Deleted User good for you

@Deleted User doesn't tell me why .NET or Flask is bad

Jesus, JS sucks donkey balls. Give me .NET over JS any day.

You cannot get around it, if you program Web Apps.

The backend is not JS.

Keep JS inside the browser.

Not on the server.

It is, the backend is another microservice.

NodeJS?

It simply hosts the front end, and from there you make REST calls to the backend API gateway.

yo dawg, I heard you like callbacks, so I put callbacks in your callbacks so you can callback while you callback

@DanielKO do me a favour tell me why .NET is bad today, not 15 years ago.

Whose `this` is this `this` again?

Point was, Flask is not that secure, I heard from my friend, who had to hack it in a master security course.

@Deleted User tell me the security vunerabilities

I personally cannot.

@Deleted User tell me something more than "my mate said"

I can ask him, when I meet him.

@Deleted User so you don't know shit

@Deleted User so you don't know shit

Can we just get that right ..

Use Flask.

@Deleted User since you're splitting hairs, what year is criticism acceptable for? Only 2018?

get happy with it.

Most of us can't afford to wait until a platform stops sucking.

@DanielKO no the stock exchange example is used because it is one massive cockup, but they never fucking mention the huge cock up in implementing Linux in Munich

@DanielKO I don't act like a dick about someone's preferred language. .NET works well in loads of large orgs

The Munich case, employees started whining because they wanted their windows+office back.

Not because Linux fundamentally failed to deliver.

@DanielKO Stack overflow is in .NET and runs on Windows servers.

@DanielKO and is used extensively.

Stop pinging me every message.

yeah, because the founder was a MS guy.

@DanielKO so what is more likely is that the london stock exchange was a piss poor implementation

Spolsky was higher-up guy at MS, afaik

and? It worked and is a massive site

Nobody says, it does not work.

You said it was crap and i shouldn't have an opinion

you mean .NET?

flask / .NET whatever

you can have an opinion.

use it, I dont care.

I think, there are much better things out there.

that wasn't the complaint we were fighting about

You have no high standard. Thats what I said.

you were making it sound like there was something wrong for wanting to use them, I asked you why and you said nothing concrete

About flask?

@Deleted User what?

@Deleted User I have the high standard of it having to work well, a lot of frameworks don't do that reliably

Use Flask,it is the best and secure.

Here's a practical problem: .NET is Windows-only. Mono is not supported, any claims of multiplatform is unwarranted, MS doesn't support anything other than Windows.
Well, Windows instances in cloud services like AWS take upwards of 10 min to spin up, as opposed to just a few seconds, for Linux instances.

@Deleted User don't be a bitch and bitch out because

@DanielKO how come I've been using .NET on Windows since 2012 then?

@DanielKO .NET core is supported on Linux, Mac and Windows ... anything that is .NET standard is supported.

Maybe read the fucking docs.

You are invested in it, you should stop being so grimly. Look around, maybe you find better setups. If you work with it, then whats the problem?

@Deleted User I am not invested in it, I am fed up of people telling lies about something I use.

Mono isn't supported by MS.

@DanielKO .NET core is

Deep down, you are afraid, you are sitting onthe wrong horse and your experience will be lost, when you are old.

Sizeable apps take significant to port over to Mono.

@DanielKO .NET core supports .NET 2.0 which is the same as mono

@DanielKO lies , we ported over an app in about a day that used .NET 4.0 to use .NET standard

That's like saying Wine means Win32 apps are multiplatform.

Please don't run Web Apps on Windows, if you don't have to.

Thats borderline retarded.

@DanielKO never said that. Don't strawman my position.

are there Windows Docker images out there?

yep

how big are they in size?

??

I dunno, never used docker that much

ok.

Your ops team will like it.

@Deleted User unlikely I am a contractor, I don't care what they use.

They will probably use VMs. @DanielKO says not everything moves as fast as we like.

1,6GB, thats not too bad.

@Deleted User I run web apps on Azure and they work fine. Please tell me in length how they don't work ...

I am pretty sure, they work. Where did I say that?

Apparently I shouldn't run web apps on windows, Azure uses Windows VMs

yeah, Azure and who else? I am an Open Source guy, I will not be happy with vender-lockins. This is my biggest problem with Ms solutions.

There is no vendor lockin

where is it?

I can deploy to somewhere else if I want to? Where is this "vendor lockin"

@DanielKO I would invite you to say why there is a vendor lock-in?

who is somewhere else?

if there is Docker Image for Windows server, is that enough for you.

then you can deploy it on Kubernetes.

He seemed quite vocal until I actually called out his shit

@DanielKO just saying

Kubernetes is the quasi standard, and Azure has it too afaik.

@Deleted User what is wrong with .NET and Flask?

Flask I already told you, you have to wait for next week, when I met him. Then I can ask for further details about problems.

So you don't know ...

.NET, it is a personal thing.

No it isn't a personal thing it is "there are 8 contracts doing .NET here and 1 doing PHP".

PHP is even more shit.

Don't start with PHP.

what is wrong with modern PHP? Tell me

You are fukcing kidding me right now.

And don't say "well my mate said this crap"

@Deleted User if there is so much wrong with modern PHP you should be able to list it easily

Do you ever tried somehing different?

As I said

if it is soo bad list me all the problems

it is the language itself, it is dirty.

@Deleted User that is subjective

no, it is not.

and is a matter of opinion

again, concrete problems with it

what is wrong with it other than you don't like the language?

PHP is a language.

that is a heavily influenced on Java and other C like languages

it is dynamic, is'nt it?

sure

well ... ish

Java is the opposite of a dynamically typed language.

but yeh it is not dynamically typed

Only subclassing is in java dynamic.

@Deleted User I know I've programmed it for 4 years at uni

u like PHP?

it doesn't matter.

I am trying to understand why you do and do not like certain languages

You didn't prove shit, you faggot, I just blocked you because you won't stop pinging me. I made my point, just saying "NO U" isn't an argument.

@DanielKO I think you proved my point

I think, JS is dirty either and inconsistent, but you have to use it in modern wep apps.

And therefore I like the isomorphic front-ends, where you don't have to inject things and other hacky stuff.

@Deleted User most people use ES6 and above

It is still dirty.

@Deleted User why?

you can pass multliple arguments to a function, and you will not get an error.

a function f.e. that was intended to have two arguments.

the whole type coercion thing produces a lotof headache.

yeah it does. It was a language made for the 1997 web not the modern one

JS I know a litle better than PHP. I never used PHP for a long time.

PHP has a lot of problems historically by facebook and Zend has done a lot of work to fix it.

Facebook is a disaster in my opnion. Way to slow.

They also developed ReactJS. But I like ReactJS.

Jesus

Do you ever tried ReactJS?

yes

don't like it?

I've spent 6 months doing just that

I have no opinion on it.

It is in combination with Redux quite nice, it is inspired by Elm, a functional web framework.

I don't care what it is inspired by

You have a global state, and then you change it over actions, and state changes can trigger changes in React components.

I only care that I can get stuff done with it

Speaking of ReactJS, I'm working on that stuff right now.

Caused an orgasm, it is perfect for prototyping.

React is pretty good, makes building websites with JS much easier in my opinion.

@meratrix so does vue, angular 2 etc

yeah, these are alternatives.

Vue is hyped at the moment.

yeah I know, I just know ReactJS already, so I'll use it when I'm doing small side projects.

@meratrix I managed fine for years with just jQuery, Handlebars and some event handlers

Well, I'm 20, so I haven't been doing this for years.

I am more a fun of the principle (e.g. Flux) itself.

@meratrix I am 35 and I have been doing this since I was 20

I am happy to ignore jQuery.

@Deleted User it was like heaven on earth when it was first out

and DOM manipulations.

React hides this all.

@Deleted User I know, jQuery was good for its time.

I am sure it does, but it is worth knowing what happens in the browser

I learned a bit of JQuery a while ago, but class I was taught in started with JS and then moved on to ReactJS, so that's what I use.

Plus, mixing JQuery and ReactJS is a really bad idea.

You don't need it with React, or lets say, I never had an use case for needing it.

I tried it once, then realized why it wouldn't work. You know that ReactJS creates a "virtual" DOM, and then makes the changes you make to that to the real DOM, well because JQuery interacts directly with the DOM, ReactJS doesn't pick up on the changes you've made to the DOM and thus the "virtual" DOM and the real DOM get out of sync.

Leads to some real fucky behavior if you use a lot of JQuery.