That’s so fucking true

and so it begins

DEUS VULT

IT HAS BEEN MEMED

DEUS VULT

AVE MARIA

PRAISE KEK

@Reaps wrong

you mean WE WILL HOLD JERUSALEM

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/58038727/hold-hold.jpg

The Centre is Pure, the Centre is Good

fine.

Centrist Gf loves you and is willing to see your side of the argument

Also she's into whatever you want to do but also wants to do her stuff too

Kek

Reaps meme game is too STRONK

DEUS VULT

Tag yourself I'm "get off my lawn"

Between get off my lawn and what if the child consents

Well, got me on that buys toilet paper on the deep web

somewhere in "this will never happen".

DEUS VULT!

@✿ Mittens ✿ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/319545391332720640/387814869866643468/unknown.png

If you want piss people of this is how you do it

Anarchist libertarian?

I don't get it.

Its a piss take on the flag

I still don't get it.

It is an individualist flag replaceced with collectivist meaning

I really don't get hung up on this whole "individualism vs collectivism" thing like you do.

I don't think you can dichotomize issues like that.

If your parrents lived under a opressive collectivist regime you would get it

Oh

Also you can dichotomize a lot of things

Democratic - Authoritarian
Political Left - Political Right
Open Society - Closed Society
Free Market - Central Planning
Standing Army - Drafted Army
Hawk Lobby - Dove Lobby
Interventionism - Isolationism

Okay, I just don't see individualism and collectivism as mutually exclusive. I think that there's certain parts of every system that benefit an individual and a collective in most systems of society.

Furthermore, I think that the community is the most important part of any group, because the individual cannot provide for itself without a society to depend on, the society can't survive without the state, but the state itself, like the individual, cannot suffice to provide for the common good, because the state must depend on the needs of the community if it's not to be corrupt.

Society is neither the individual, or the state, but the community of individuals of which depend on the state to survive.

This chat room is funny, because a lot of people deny that cultures exist, but it's so undeniable. Every different society has it's own individual customs and ways of operating, which develop from ways of life. This whole idea of individualism over collectivism seems so silly to me, it seems Ayn Randish. Human beings function biologically in groups, that's how human beings developed in evolution. You can't be an individualist and live as a modern man.

Basically you need both individualism and collectivism for society to function.

beeing in a group /=/ collectivism

Okay, then what does collectivism mean?

Does it means being for a commonly held belief rather than individual thought?

No it means prioritization of the group over self.

What philosophy are you citing?

What was told me in grammar school

Why do you apply the concept of collectivism to politics?

In what way?

"If your parrents lived under a opressive collectivist regime you would get it"

I hear the word collectivism used a lot more than in just that way.

Ah yes. If you badmouthed the regime you would get reprimandet

The work enviroment was full with snitches

Soy boys don’t get it

They don’t know real oppression

And the secret police could rumage thŕough your personal bellognings

I honestly feel endearment towards the word soy boy.

Oh and btw, trans people are the most oppressed group of people in America. Kids get kicked out of their parents houses for being trans all the time.

A large percentage of homeless youth are lgbt.

There's a large stigma of transphobia and homophobia, which are often falsely equated across america.

A lot of people can't come out to their parents because their parents are bigoted.

Ok you are now conflating two things

No, I said that the two are falsely equated, and people equate being trans with being gay.

Read closer.

I meant the form of opression

That is oppression.

This is not on a universal scale

op·pres·sion
əˈpreSHən/Submit
noun
prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.

MUH PERSONAL FEELING HURT

OH BOY I'M OPPRESSED BY SJWs

OY VEY

Kicking your kid out of your family or ostracizing them from their family isn't just about hurt feelings.

It is different when its mandated by the gov

Human beings are social creatures and rely on their family or social group.

I know a girl who killed herself in high school because of bullying,

But you probably don't think emotional abuse is real.

ok

Those parents are assholes I would never disown my own kid

and?

Fireweaver, you're literally a single celled organism, let the big kids talk.

Mittens you're literally cancer

blocked.

This is where you belong

If you are 18 you can get kicked out

THIS IS DANK MEMES

I COME HERE TO NOT THINK

**Achievement Unlocked: Be blocked by the special snowflake**

@DanConway https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/319545391332720640/387814869866643468/unknown.png

franti, you can't continue to justify homophobia and transphobia, it just won't work. I imagine if this were the civil rights era you would be making the same arguments against black people.

No I wouldnt

Wew lad

Damn black people, they don't suffer any oppression, why don't they just get over it 😠 is what you would say.

MUH SAME ARGUMENTS

Those were mandated be law

Where's the jim crow laws for you queerniggers?

OH WAIT

Das right

Thse are indivudial acts of assholery

I'm sure you ignore and diminish the fact that black people are killed with deadly force by police in America and say it was all the black guy's fault too.

muh fee fees are hurt

You see, you need to have a sense of humanity for those in the world around you, not just worry about yourself and say to hell with those who are different.

I am in favour of police body cameras so we know who instigated

Police don't need to use deadly force.

Not here

But in gun land yes

Mittens you don't even know what it's like to be a police

You never know who has a concealed firearm

Soy boy

Police in America are trained to kill when they feel threatened, and they could use many other non lethal ways of deescalating a situation.

Yep

My name is mittens and I've never been trained in the police academy

Police officers are more valuable as a whole

Than criminals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

Well maybe a 3 year course for police officers and get them a bachelors degree in it

Self defense means you shoot to kill

However I wholeheartedly agree police training should last much longer

That is what gets me about people who are against black lives matter. Yes, there is a problem with black people getting killed by police in America, you can't just blame black people for committing crimes when there's cultural factors at play that result in poverty and desperation as - yes - a result of years of systematic oppression that still manifests itself in the fact that black people in poor neighborhoods haven't recovered generationally from the violence and oppression against them that has existed for hundreds of years since they were brought to this country.

@DanConway @✿ Mittens ✿ @franti @Jek Porkins @radeon @meratrix I found a picture of soyboy mittens

The civil rights era wasn't that long ago.

60 years is quite long

and america awas founded naught by 200 years ago

Yes I will blame them for the crimes they commit

Because I want to be given the same respect when I own my own company.

I DID THIS. No one else

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383363143155580939/388006154296360960/racismexplanation.jpg

I did not commit crime and therefore I continue to succeed

But I'm sure a lot of you guys would say that black people and trans people face no issues in America, even though trans people are one of the most stigmatized groups of people in all of America, and trans people could still get kicked out of their house as kids by transphobic parents. I've known people who got kicked out of their homes by their parents for being trans. And those same parents are the ones who exist in society, and trans people have to live with the fact every day that transphobia is so normalized that the president of the united states can mandate that trans people get kicked out of the military.

I think enough people have mentioned in the past how encouraging women to marry the state instead of their babies fathers has led us to where we are now.

I literally do not give a single shit about your theory of societal determinism bullshit.

Everyone makes choices. Everyone has agency.

@✿ Mittens ✿ Hey retard, they don't

Why are you conflating my idea with determinism?

Anyways, I've said my piece.

That theory assumes that people live in a vacuum and do not see any other cultures or lifestyles

Your fuckin paper is about how pepe don't have agency

People*

Because of their environment and life experience

That is a load of shit.

Identity politics has no room for agency

life experience = opinion

So worthless

Mittens = no life experience

It may influence choice, but you always have the choice not to pull the trigger

I'm so fucking tired of his shit

It was his choice to illegal obtain a gun and rob people

shut it down

THIS IS LIBRARY

@Jek Porkins But porkings, that's too logical for mittens

You have to take in account it's fee-fees

Black people don't have agency, we must give everything we work for to people who don't want to work

Masculinity is evil

Gender isn't influenced by sex

Fuck off with all that

METH not even once

I'm fucking done with your bullshit

And I still havent heard any tangible solution from mittens

I "like" how mittens comes in to spout something and then leaves before people can fully discredit him.

I'm done arguing with his stupid bullshit. Ain't nobody got time for humanities brainwashed idiots

Mittens has no solutions

All it does is gaslight you into destroying what you have

of course not, identity politics just identifies "oppression", but never gives any solutions.

all with nothing to replace it

But @Mal it's not like mittens is intellectually dishonest right?

And in his mind gov mandated oppression = individiual acts of opression

In his soy boy of a mind

op·pres·sion
əˈpreSHən/Submit
noun
prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.

Your colloquial terminology of the word oppression is meaningless

No it isnt we arent putting trans people into gas chambers

unjust treatment

cruel treatment

🤔

Hmmmm

Hmmmmmmmm

Mittens is nothing but a failed MAN. so he subscribes to a belief that makes him feel better about being worthless.

"It's not my fault I will forever be poverty stricken. It's the societal power structures that are oppressing me!"

Mittens is not a human

it is a lobotmized animal

I do not respect you.

I like how you write MAN in all caps as an insult.

I do not respect your pronouns

I have nothinng but contempt for mittens

Good for you, that doesn't make you a big person.

Respect is earned

You'll never respect trans people.

Good

fuck em

I just don't respect you

They haven't done shit to earn my respect

No one deserves respect

People earn it

Is it cultural imperialism that is the cause of this "oppression"? Is it stereotyping? Is it "erasure", "group identity appropriation", violence, exploitation? If we accept it's something like this, then how do we remove it from society?

You earn respect.

^

Not using a person's preferred pronouns isn't a matter of individual respect, it's just something you do if you respect transgender identity. Btw, I don't enforce any specific pronouns for people to use on me, I just say that I identify as non binary because I don't identify with binary gender.

Anyone who expects respect by default can fuck themselves

Ok what is your solution to this? Force the parents who despise their child to live with them? This is just asking for an uptick in suicide rates

I sometimes go by they/them, but I never even told anyone here to do that for me, because I know it would be absurd to ask people to give common courtesy in a bigoted server.

I am bigoted towards nazis

@franti yeah, if I have to keep my trans fucker up in the house, I'm having them pay rent and get their own shit

That doesn't make you righteous franti.

You can't say "I'm against nazis" then turn around and be bigoted towards another group of people, and act like that gives you a free pass.

Mittens everything you speak, yuo sound like a self righteous cunt

That's like being racist and then saying "I have black friends so it's okay".

I never said it would

I am just saying that the word bigoted is watered down

http://www.strawpoll.me/14564405

I have never said that I was againts trans people

You display it in your actions, that's good enough.

LOL

You can read through the sarcasm here can you?

You can never win with leftist ideologes like mittens

Maybe you're not like porkins beans?

I somehow doubt it

It's hard to know whose argument I'm responding to when like 5 people are talking to me at once.

I said 10 mins ago I would never dissown my child

you can tag people

This is glorious, glorious I say.

<#372508286529961996> is now <#372513679964635138>

Ok maybe I would If they were a mass muderer

Where's the line? @franti

Silence them with the power of memes.

How to know when it's time to stop giving a shit what mittens thinks about anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ZuffBrloo

HUH

makes you wonder

"Comrade Stalin, do you have a hobby?"
"Yes, I collect political jokes."
"Have you collected many?"
"Oh, about 3 or 4 gulags of them."

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He who controls the spice...

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Spicey

....

cus it's not a USA circle jerk?

bellend

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we got the best Spices