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Culture always changes
It never stays the same
And you cant argue that westerners dont have it better
The very idea of civilizations evolving is the idea of cultural exchange
Westerners have it better
That's what annoys the fuck outa me with cultural appropriation
cultural relativism, brightens any day
dude, i'm black and i can't stand american blacks
I only see the point of historical relativism
Dont judge the past on todays standards
Absolutley, jusdging the past on current morals is the reason the church defamed all the statues in Rome and now has a bag of Dicks in its basement somewhere
Something I have never forgiven them for
And the statue genocide in US
so long as we don't start arguing that it's impossible to judge other currently existing cultures for their terrible ideas, I don't think we have much of a problem
not that I'd expect something like that here, really
yeha, basically my idea is that cultures should be held to the highest ideal of their time
but of course they would have to have relativley close proximity, Rome and China for instance, didn't have much contact, so we couldn't really judge them together.
Because they were basically two different worlds
You can judge current cultures
Otherwise they will never better themself
yes, but we judge them based on the current highest ideal, I wouldn't want our cultures to be judged in 200 years based on the ideals 200 years from now
cause of course it will be considered defficient
from the perspective of an imagined culture that has had longer time to mature and develop, I'm certain we'd still be considered drooling barbarians.
Well, if they were ignorant
Not putting us in our historical context
perhaps, but I wouldn't immediately fault them for thinking so
If we know better, then they should
Yes we are connected
That is why we live a better life
We do know better. If we're struggling with the same issues in 50 years, which I certainly don't hope, there's a case to be made against at least part of us.
Nobody is perfect
Yes, but we still have people who believe in judging the past on the present, which is very worrying
considering they have had sucess
Colonialism was a net bennefit for Africa
You can judge current cultures
Otherwise they will never better themself
cultural relativism detected
I think it's fair to be able to point out the terrible ideas of the past, so we can learn from them.
no, like using current morals to judge the past
that's what I'm against
tell me again how the saudis culture of hanging gay men with a crane en masse is in any way comparable to liberal western democracy
because the past will always be defficient
The morals have evolved
It's Iran who does that
Well one can judge the cultures, but the actions of individuals should be considered relative to their environment
Jared Taylor is a literal God
but the current time should be judged on the current highest ideal, so hanging gays off cranes is still imoral
that doesn't mean all current cultures are equally valid
god of retards lol
No one said that
I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying
not you, franti said it
Oh boy, here we go
> You can judge current cultures
the first salt righter is here
Yes you can
I judge the saudis
asking a question is salty now
They are backwards
Judge current culture with current value is valid, judge older cultures with current values is not
I think were all in agreement here
disregard, im retarded, i read can as cant
that's why is so ridiculous when people talk about the crusades
by that logic slavery wasn't wrong
Yes I judge the present with the present standard
even about islamic expansionism from the same era
And I am in Pepe's people
Otherwise we would burn history books
Slavery was wrong, but understandable
Slavery was the norm for everybody
Even Charles Darwin pointed out the clear intellectual inferiority of the Negroid race
Judging individual slave holders for existing within a slave owning society is ridiculous
@BrianBoru thats basically the far left strawman of centrism in a nutshell
Its not like we went to Africa and enslaved them
There are many straw men of centrism
They already had a profitable slave trade
Whenever I compare what the progressives do to history to burning books my sister flips her shit, it is a beautiful site because progressives always flip shit when they know they are wrong.
in some cases, it was, but not most of the time
When we arrived in Africa they were living in mud huts beating each other with rocks
We just made it global
the one where a false dichotomy of far left = "civil rights" and far right = the literal KKK and centrism is "well lets kill some of the blacks but not all"
Not really they had their own empires
WE WUZ KANGS N SHIET
Wasn't the Mali Empire built on the slave trade?
The Mosi empire songhay Mali
Did I ever suggest killing blacks?
I would use the word culture, not empire
Honestly, i have to read more about Africa, i've seen Kraut saying something about Ethiopia
They're a fun challenge in Europa Universalis. 😛
Ethiopa with the Aksumites was probably the most succesful African pre colonial state
Their average IQ is 56 to 70 depending on the region
Ethiopia treathened Mecca once
Almost destoyed the Muslims there
alt-centrist Ethiopian Nazis.
without reading nothing about it, i have the small feeling that what could have been prosperous places in Africa, was ruined by islam
Islam fucked everything it touched
@Fulcrum010 Only North Africa was affected by Islam in the past
islam fucks everything it touches, specially little girs and sometimes little boys
you literally have the pope going to the most AIDS-ridden place on earth and telling people its a sin to wear condoms
The last remnants of the Library of Alexandria were burned when they conquered Alexandria
Negroids had their own barbaric voodoo practices
imagine being that irresponsible
religion is fucking cancer
what next, vaccines are haram?
Yeah, I don't know why everyone loves Francis.
because hes a progressive cuck
I wouldn't blame the AIDS epidemic on the religion, but rather the Negro race
Because Liberation Theology
no, concesnt is haram
Religions are ok tbh, people just take it too seriously
They breed like mosquitoes and spread AIDS everywhere they step their foot
i think i see a 🔨 in your future
"a weapon"? 😛
If religion is responsible for the epidemic wouldn't you expect for Catholic countries to be riddled with AIDS?
I would say there are other factors involved
They ate the apes that live there and zoonosis happened
Apes eating monkeys
Or some dude walked out into the jungle, saw an ape, and thought, RIGHT, gonna get some ape pussy boiis
it's always good to have a joker to make us laugh
And we have the boubonic plague because we ate animals
That also is zoonosis
Tubercolosis from cows
And HIV from monkeys
Isn't Sargon an advocate of free speech? Why is this server against it?
its not that we don't support free speech, we just don't want to associate with you
this is not a democracy
and even if we are, i guess the majority of people would vote for you to get the boot
We're a Kekist Theocracy
We don't want this server to become /pol/
your arguments are tired and pathetic and the last thing we want is the far left further conflating liberalism with the alt right
pol is awesome thoughh
So this discord is essentially an echo chamber, good to know
"you don't like what i say you are a SJW in a echo chamber"
lol honestly do you even have any arguments to make?
well, you haven't been banned yet, so it's not Steve Shives level
@DanConway not against it, just, it tends to take over everything it touches, much like the sjws
We just had a debate on guns where we disagreed
like literaly, that debate went for over an hour
> If religion is responsible for the epidemic wouldn't you expect for Catholic countries to be riddled with AIDS?
Yeah, plenty of disagreement on the gun debate
and the concept of rights as well
and covered everything from guns, to the foundation of rights.
nobody said religon was responsible
its just not helping
Just calling me an alt-righter for pointing out the scientific fact that races are different as a result of separate evolution for tens of thousands of years
we don't deny that
I just don't care about it
they're not _that_ different, though.
i will go back to my "documentary"
That is not the problem what you want to do is
likewise cathloic europe has far better healthcare to prevent the spread of AIDS
The whole white concept hold no water in Europe
if the IQ difference in race is so minimal that you can easily bridge it by somthing as simple as your income than its essentially irrelevant
So what is the cause of the lack of healthcare? I'd say that it can be traced down to the low IQ, considering the multiple studies that prove a direct link between the wealth of a nation and its average IQ
The Hungarians hate the Romanians
thats circular logic
yeah, Jews were really fucking stupid when they first came to the US, now look at them. There was a concsious effort to work there way up.
there are plenty of reasons why (most) of africa is bad off and none of them have to do with race
IQ is imprtant, but is not predeterministic
You also have to consider what Africa has to contend
There is little arable land
Minimal difference? Sub-saharan Africa has an IQ ranging anywhere from 56 to 70, while white countries are almost exclusively a 100 or more. That is not minimal by any standards of measure
Lots of endemic deadly diseases
africa has very little arable land that has reliable rainfall, and even the food they grow, there isn't much infastructure to transport it as most africans live in small, spaced out villages rather than large cities
you've also not proven that it's related to their race, Charles
but you seem to argue from that point of view
By the way, the African countries that were colonized the most (South Africa and Nigeria) are by far the wealthiest, and also have the largest white population
africa politically has been in turmoil largely due to the race for africa caused by european nations in the 19th century
It is definately related to race
yes, you've shown correlation
yes, they have lower IQ's but if they could build up there own civilization their IQ would have increased in kind, like the rest of the world. Having a succesful civilization leaves time for contemplating the world.
As proven by the difference in cranical capacity and IQ
that chart is all over the place
It allows people to build up knowledge not neccesaryfor survival
between something arbitrary, it also looks like an awful correlation
Also consider that the borders drawn in Africa are arbitrary
how are indians 20 IQ points higher with smaller brain capacity thsn aboriginals?
also if you knew anything about the human brain, the size is largely irrelevant, the density of brain matter is much more important
It's not an awful correlation by any standards of measure. There is a link between the climatic conditions of a region and the cranial capacity of its population. Neanderthals for example, who lived in a tundra environment, had a brain volume of 1600 cubic centimetres, while today's Caucasians have a brain volume of 1350 cubic centimetres
That can be explained by the increased evolutionary pressure based upon populations in less resourceful environmental conditions
question from where are you taking this info?
Some are getting their shit together
again nobody disagrees there are differences in race, but these are based on **averages**, rely largely on the geographic area of the people in question and their living conditions, and in no way reflect individuals
Once again, I ackknowledge that races are different in some ways, but I just choose not to care because of my belief in Liberty based off of ideas from John Locke
@Boris Todbringer how do explain how the alt right has a lower average IQ than the US national average?
IQ is a genetic trait, and environment has rather minimal effect on it, as proven by many studies
also by your own standards, arent the jews the master race? they totally murder whitey in IQ.
IQ isn't genetic lmao
IQ ceeling is proven to be genetic
do you even know what IQ is?
@radeon I'm not a member of the ''alt right'', and I would put the study showing that to some serious doubt
IQ can be improved
Race is real
That is a preferable term, yes
It would be foolish to assume that 70,000 years of separate evolution between Negroids and Caucasians wouldn't result in differences with regards to intelligence
i hate how pretentious the term race realist is, as if you're right just because your title says so
***>using negroid unironically***
Negroid is a scientific classification, unlike the term ''nigger'', which is a pejorative term
also get your latin straight - caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid
Caucasian can also be used to refer to a member of a given racial group
Ronald Wilson presented the first clear and compelling evidence that the heritability of IQ increases with age. We propose to call the phenomenon 'The Wilson Effect' and we document the effect diagrammatically with key twin and adoption studies, including twins reared apart, that have been carried out at various ages and in a large number of different settings. The results show that the heritability of IQ reaches an asymptote at about 0.80 at 18-20 years of age and continuing at that level well into adulthood. In the aggregate, the studies also confirm that shared environmental influence decreases across age, approximating about 0.10 at 18-20 years of age and continuing at that level into adulthood. These conclusions apply to the Westernized industrial democracies in which most of the studies have been carried out.
This study shows that the effect environment has on IQ is extremely minimal
Are African-Americans, with ancestry in certain African areas, placed higher on the IQ scale than the people who live in the nations of the same areas today?
How do you explain the white people who aren't caucasian, the Urgrics who live in Europe, the Hungarians
If so, how did this change happen in such a short time?
you're assuming white and black americans share the same environiment
also this is from 1992
anybody want to discuss in the voice chat with a moderator?
can we get a study from this century?
@Mal Negroids from the Congo region have an IQ between 56 to 65, while the ones from the surrounding Savannah habitats have an IQ that is 70 on average
so race obviously not a factor.
is this the same for those in the US who have ancestry from that region? Or has there been no studies done on something like that?
Once again, were not denying it, we just don't care about it.