#politics-free-for-all (Discord ID: 372513679964635138) in /r/SargonOfAkkad (Sparta), page 6

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2017-11-06 18:47:23 UTC

Culture always changes

2017-11-06 18:47:33 UTC

It never stays the same

2017-11-06 18:47:53 UTC

And you cant argue that westerners dont have it better

2017-11-06 18:48:01 UTC

The very idea of civilizations evolving is the idea of cultural exchange

2017-11-06 18:48:05 UTC

Westerners have it better

2017-11-06 18:48:15 UTC

Oh lol

2017-11-06 18:48:21 UTC

That's what annoys the fuck outa me with cultural appropriation

2017-11-06 18:48:31 UTC

cultural relativism, brightens any day

2017-11-06 18:48:36 UTC

dude, i'm black and i can't stand american blacks

2017-11-06 18:49:08 UTC

I only see the point of historical relativism

2017-11-06 18:49:33 UTC

Dont judge the past on todays standards

2017-11-06 18:50:16 UTC

Absolutley, jusdging the past on current morals is the reason the church defamed all the statues in Rome and now has a bag of Dicks in its basement somewhere

2017-11-06 18:50:31 UTC

Something I have never forgiven them for

2017-11-06 18:50:35 UTC

And the statue genocide in US

2017-11-06 18:50:58 UTC


2017-11-06 18:51:10 UTC

so long as we don't start arguing that it's impossible to judge other currently existing cultures for their terrible ideas, I don't think we have much of a problem

2017-11-06 18:51:37 UTC

not that I'd expect something like that here, really

2017-11-06 18:51:48 UTC

yeha, basically my idea is that cultures should be held to the highest ideal of their time

2017-11-06 18:52:34 UTC

but of course they would have to have relativley close proximity, Rome and China for instance, didn't have much contact, so we couldn't really judge them together.

2017-11-06 18:52:47 UTC

Because they were basically two different worlds

2017-11-06 18:53:35 UTC

You can judge current cultures

2017-11-06 18:54:08 UTC

Otherwise they will never better themself

2017-11-06 18:54:16 UTC

yes, but we judge them based on the current highest ideal, I wouldn't want our cultures to be judged in 200 years based on the ideals 200 years from now

2017-11-06 18:54:28 UTC

cause of course it will be considered defficient

2017-11-06 18:56:28 UTC

from the perspective of an imagined culture that has had longer time to mature and develop, I'm certain we'd still be considered drooling barbarians.

2017-11-06 18:56:58 UTC

Well, if they were ignorant

2017-11-06 18:57:14 UTC

Not putting us in our historical context

2017-11-06 18:59:26 UTC

perhaps, but I wouldn't immediately fault them for thinking so

2017-11-06 19:00:04 UTC

If we know better, then they should

2017-11-06 19:00:25 UTC

Yes we are connected

2017-11-06 19:01:35 UTC

That is why we live a better life

2017-11-06 19:01:35 UTC

We do know better. If we're struggling with the same issues in 50 years, which I certainly don't hope, there's a case to be made against at least part of us.

2017-11-06 19:01:57 UTC

That's fair

2017-11-06 19:02:01 UTC

Nobody is perfect

2017-11-06 19:02:35 UTC

Yes, but we still have people who believe in judging the past on the present, which is very worrying

2017-11-06 19:02:45 UTC

considering they have had sucess

2017-11-06 19:03:16 UTC

whoa whoa

2017-11-06 19:03:19 UTC

Colonialism was a net bennefit for Africa

2017-11-06 19:03:20 UTC

You can judge current cultures
Otherwise they will never better themself

2017-11-06 19:03:27 UTC

cultural relativism detected

2017-11-06 19:03:29 UTC

I think it's fair to be able to point out the terrible ideas of the past, so we can learn from them.

2017-11-06 19:03:41 UTC

no, like using current morals to judge the past

2017-11-06 19:03:45 UTC

that's what I'm against

2017-11-06 19:04:08 UTC

tell me again how the saudis culture of hanging gay men with a crane en masse is in any way comparable to liberal western democracy

2017-11-06 19:04:14 UTC

because the past will always be defficient

2017-11-06 19:04:23 UTC

The morals have evolved

2017-11-06 19:04:23 UTC

It's Iran who does that

2017-11-06 19:04:28 UTC

Well one can judge the cultures, but the actions of individuals should be considered relative to their environment

2017-11-06 19:04:30 UTC

Jared Taylor is a literal God

2017-11-06 19:04:37 UTC

but the current time should be judged on the current highest ideal, so hanging gays off cranes is still imoral

2017-11-06 19:04:38 UTC

that doesn't mean all current cultures are equally valid

2017-11-06 19:04:38 UTC

god of retards lol

2017-11-06 19:04:45 UTC

No one said that

2017-11-06 19:04:59 UTC

I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying

2017-11-06 19:05:03 UTC

@Fulcrum010 is that because you cant handle the truth

2017-11-06 19:05:12 UTC


2017-11-06 19:05:13 UTC

not you, franti said it

2017-11-06 19:05:15 UTC

Oh boy, here we go

2017-11-06 19:05:16 UTC

> You can judge current cultures

2017-11-06 19:05:18 UTC

the first salt righter is here

2017-11-06 19:05:28 UTC

Yes you can

2017-11-06 19:05:37 UTC

I judge the saudis

2017-11-06 19:05:39 UTC

asking a question is salty now

2017-11-06 19:05:41 UTC


2017-11-06 19:05:48 UTC

They are backwards

2017-11-06 19:06:00 UTC

Judge current culture with current value is valid, judge older cultures with current values is not

2017-11-06 19:06:15 UTC

I think were all in agreement here

2017-11-06 19:06:16 UTC

disregard, im retarded, i read can as cant

2017-11-06 19:06:17 UTC

that's why is so ridiculous when people talk about the crusades

2017-11-06 19:06:20 UTC

by that logic slavery wasn't wrong

2017-11-06 19:06:22 UTC


2017-11-06 19:06:23 UTC


2017-11-06 19:06:28 UTC

Yes I judge the present with the present standard

2017-11-06 19:06:32 UTC

even about islamic expansionism from the same era

2017-11-06 19:06:42 UTC

And I am in Pepe's people

2017-11-06 19:06:44 UTC

Otherwise we would burn history books

2017-11-06 19:06:44 UTC

fuck yeah

2017-11-06 19:06:47 UTC

Slavery was wrong, but understandable

2017-11-06 19:06:52 UTC


2017-11-06 19:07:10 UTC

Slavery was the norm for everybody

2017-11-06 19:07:14 UTC


2017-11-06 19:07:16 UTC

Even Charles Darwin pointed out the clear intellectual inferiority of the Negroid race

2017-11-06 19:07:18 UTC

Judging individual slave holders for existing within a slave owning society is ridiculous

2017-11-06 19:07:23 UTC

@BrianBoru thats basically the far left strawman of centrism in a nutshell

2017-11-06 19:07:36 UTC

Its not like we went to Africa and enslaved them

2017-11-06 19:07:41 UTC

There are many straw men of centrism

2017-11-06 19:07:53 UTC

They already had a profitable slave trade

2017-11-06 19:07:56 UTC

Whenever I compare what the progressives do to history to burning books my sister flips her shit, it is a beautiful site because progressives always flip shit when they know they are wrong.

2017-11-06 19:07:58 UTC

in some cases, it was, but not most of the time

2017-11-06 19:07:58 UTC

When we arrived in Africa they were living in mud huts beating each other with rocks

2017-11-06 19:08:03 UTC

We just made it global

2017-11-06 19:08:28 UTC

the one where a false dichotomy of far left = "civil rights" and far right = the literal KKK and centrism is "well lets kill some of the blacks but not all"

2017-11-06 19:08:41 UTC

Not really they had their own empires

2017-11-06 19:08:49 UTC


2017-11-06 19:09:05 UTC

Wasn't the Mali Empire built on the slave trade?

2017-11-06 19:09:07 UTC

you have a very broad definition of an empire @franti

2017-11-06 19:09:13 UTC

The Mosi empire songhay Mali

2017-11-06 19:09:18 UTC

Did I ever suggest killing blacks?

2017-11-06 19:09:27 UTC

I would use the word culture, not empire

2017-11-06 19:09:34 UTC

Honestly, i have to read more about Africa, i've seen Kraut saying something about Ethiopia

2017-11-06 19:09:56 UTC

They're a fun challenge in Europa Universalis. πŸ˜›

2017-11-06 19:10:00 UTC

Ethiopa with the Aksumites was probably the most succesful African pre colonial state

2017-11-06 19:10:04 UTC

Their average IQ is 56 to 70 depending on the region

2017-11-06 19:10:20 UTC

Ethiopia treathened Mecca once

2017-11-06 19:10:36 UTC

Based Ethiopians

2017-11-06 19:10:51 UTC

Almost destoyed the Muslims there

2017-11-06 19:10:58 UTC

alt-centrist Ethiopian Nazis.

2017-11-06 19:10:59 UTC

without reading nothing about it, i have the small feeling that what could have been prosperous places in Africa, was ruined by islam

2017-11-06 19:11:09 UTC


2017-11-06 19:11:14 UTC

and catholocism

2017-11-06 19:11:19 UTC

Islam fucked everything it touched

2017-11-06 19:11:39 UTC

@Fulcrum010 Only North Africa was affected by Islam in the past

2017-11-06 19:11:40 UTC

islam fucks everything it touches, specially little girs and sometimes little boys

2017-11-06 19:11:42 UTC

you literally have the pope going to the most AIDS-ridden place on earth and telling people its a sin to wear condoms

2017-11-06 19:11:48 UTC

The last remnants of the Library of Alexandria were burned when they conquered Alexandria

2017-11-06 19:12:00 UTC

Negroids had their own barbaric voodoo practices

2017-11-06 19:12:02 UTC

@radeon i remember that

2017-11-06 19:12:12 UTC

imagine being that irresponsible

2017-11-06 19:12:16 UTC

religion is fucking cancer

2017-11-06 19:12:29 UTC

what next, vaccines are haram?

2017-11-06 19:12:32 UTC

Yeah, I don't know why everyone loves Francis.

2017-11-06 19:12:40 UTC

because hes a progressive cuck

2017-11-06 19:12:41 UTC

I wouldn't blame the AIDS epidemic on the religion, but rather the Negro race

2017-11-06 19:12:42 UTC

Because Liberation Theology

2017-11-06 19:12:45 UTC

no, concesnt is haram

2017-11-06 19:12:51 UTC

Religions are ok tbh, people just take it too seriously

2017-11-06 19:12:53 UTC
2017-11-06 19:12:58 UTC


2017-11-06 19:13:00 UTC

They breed like mosquitoes and spread AIDS everywhere they step their foot

2017-11-06 19:13:10 UTC

@radeon he is special

2017-11-06 19:13:23 UTC

i think i see a πŸ”¨ in your future

2017-11-06 19:13:39 UTC

"a weapon"? πŸ˜›

2017-11-06 19:13:42 UTC

If religion is responsible for the epidemic wouldn't you expect for Catholic countries to be riddled with AIDS?

2017-11-06 19:13:54 UTC

I would say there are other factors involved

2017-11-06 19:13:55 UTC

They ate the apes that live there and zoonosis happened

2017-11-06 19:14:09 UTC

Apes eating monkeys

2017-11-06 19:14:32 UTC

@Vertig0ne cleanup on the alt reich aisle

2017-11-06 19:14:39 UTC

leave him

2017-11-06 19:14:49 UTC

Or some dude walked out into the jungle, saw an ape, and thought, RIGHT, gonna get some ape pussy boiis

2017-11-06 19:14:54 UTC

it's always good to have a joker to make us laugh

2017-11-06 19:14:56 UTC

And we have the boubonic plague because we ate animals

2017-11-06 19:15:09 UTC

That also is zoonosis

2017-11-06 19:15:22 UTC

Tubercolosis from cows

2017-11-06 19:15:31 UTC

@meratrix it's also a possibility

2017-11-06 19:15:34 UTC

And HIV from monkeys

2017-11-06 19:15:36 UTC

Isn't Sargon an advocate of free speech? Why is this server against it?

2017-11-06 19:15:51 UTC

were not

2017-11-06 19:15:56 UTC

its not that we don't support free speech, we just don't want to associate with you

2017-11-06 19:16:00 UTC

this is not a democracy

2017-11-06 19:16:20 UTC

and even if we are, i guess the majority of people would vote for you to get the boot

2017-11-06 19:16:21 UTC

We're a Kekist Theocracy

2017-11-06 19:16:37 UTC

We don't want this server to become /pol/

2017-11-06 19:16:50 UTC

your arguments are tired and pathetic and the last thing we want is the far left further conflating liberalism with the alt right

2017-11-06 19:16:56 UTC

pol is awesome thoughh

2017-11-06 19:17:00 UTC

So this discord is essentially an echo chamber, good to know

2017-11-06 19:17:18 UTC

"you don't like what i say you are a SJW in a echo chamber"

2017-11-06 19:17:19 UTC


2017-11-06 19:17:26 UTC

lol honestly do you even have any arguments to make?

2017-11-06 19:17:27 UTC

(((Echo Chambers)))

2017-11-06 19:17:28 UTC

well, you haven't been banned yet, so it's not Steve Shives level

2017-11-06 19:17:34 UTC

@DanConway not against it, just, it tends to take over everything it touches, much like the sjws

2017-11-06 19:17:41 UTC

I made multiple arguments, you made none @radeon

2017-11-06 19:17:47 UTC

We just had a debate on guns where we disagreed

2017-11-06 19:18:02 UTC

like literaly, that debate went for over an hour

2017-11-06 19:18:09 UTC

> If religion is responsible for the epidemic wouldn't you expect for Catholic countries to be riddled with AIDS?

2017-11-06 19:18:11 UTC

Yeah, plenty of disagreement on the gun debate

2017-11-06 19:18:12 UTC

and the concept of rights as well

2017-11-06 19:18:14 UTC

and covered everything from guns, to the foundation of rights.

2017-11-06 19:18:15 UTC

nobody said religon was responsible

2017-11-06 19:18:26 UTC

its just not helping

2017-11-06 19:18:30 UTC

Just calling me an alt-righter for pointing out the scientific fact that races are different as a result of separate evolution for tens of thousands of years

2017-11-06 19:18:38 UTC

we don't deny that

2017-11-06 19:18:43 UTC

I just don't care about it

2017-11-06 19:18:51 UTC

they're not _that_ different, though.

2017-11-06 19:18:53 UTC

i will go back to my "documentary"

2017-11-06 19:18:55 UTC

That is not the problem what you want to do is

2017-11-06 19:19:00 UTC

likewise cathloic europe has far better healthcare to prevent the spread of AIDS

2017-11-06 19:19:58 UTC

The whole white concept hold no water in Europe

2017-11-06 19:20:00 UTC

if the IQ difference in race is so minimal that you can easily bridge it by somthing as simple as your income than its essentially irrelevant

2017-11-06 19:20:15 UTC

So what is the cause of the lack of healthcare? I'd say that it can be traced down to the low IQ, considering the multiple studies that prove a direct link between the wealth of a nation and its average IQ

2017-11-06 19:20:18 UTC

The Hungarians hate the Romanians

2017-11-06 19:20:29 UTC

thats circular logic

2017-11-06 19:20:35 UTC

yeah, Jews were really fucking stupid when they first came to the US, now look at them. There was a concsious effort to work there way up.

2017-11-06 19:20:52 UTC

there are plenty of reasons why (most) of africa is bad off and none of them have to do with race

2017-11-06 19:20:53 UTC

IQ is imprtant, but is not predeterministic

2017-11-06 19:21:00 UTC

You also have to consider what Africa has to contend

2017-11-06 19:21:11 UTC

There is little arable land

2017-11-06 19:21:18 UTC

Minimal difference? Sub-saharan Africa has an IQ ranging anywhere from 56 to 70, while white countries are almost exclusively a 100 or more. That is not minimal by any standards of measure

2017-11-06 19:21:31 UTC

Lots of endemic deadly diseases

2017-11-06 19:21:40 UTC

africa has very little arable land that has reliable rainfall, and even the food they grow, there isn't much infastructure to transport it as most africans live in small, spaced out villages rather than large cities

2017-11-06 19:21:51 UTC

you've also not proven that it's related to their race, Charles

2017-11-06 19:21:58 UTC

^ this

2017-11-06 19:22:08 UTC

but you seem to argue from that point of view

2017-11-06 19:22:09 UTC

By the way, the African countries that were colonized the most (South Africa and Nigeria) are by far the wealthiest, and also have the largest white population

2017-11-06 19:22:38 UTC

africa politically has been in turmoil largely due to the race for africa caused by european nations in the 19th century

2017-11-06 19:22:40 UTC


2017-11-06 19:22:43 UTC
2017-11-06 19:22:49 UTC

It is definately related to race

2017-11-06 19:22:54 UTC

yes, you've shown correlation

2017-11-06 19:22:55 UTC

Cranial capacity?

2017-11-06 19:22:57 UTC

yes, they have lower IQ's but if they could build up there own civilization their IQ would have increased in kind, like the rest of the world. Having a succesful civilization leaves time for contemplating the world.

2017-11-06 19:22:59 UTC

As proven by the difference in cranical capacity and IQ

2017-11-06 19:23:17 UTC

that chart is all over the place

2017-11-06 19:23:19 UTC

It allows people to build up knowledge not neccesaryfor survival

2017-11-06 19:23:21 UTC

between something arbitrary, it also looks like an awful correlation

2017-11-06 19:23:36 UTC

Also consider that the borders drawn in Africa are arbitrary

2017-11-06 19:24:03 UTC

how are indians 20 IQ points higher with smaller brain capacity thsn aboriginals?

2017-11-06 19:24:42 UTC

also if you knew anything about the human brain, the size is largely irrelevant, the density of brain matter is much more important

2017-11-06 19:24:46 UTC

It's not an awful correlation by any standards of measure. There is a link between the climatic conditions of a region and the cranial capacity of its population. Neanderthals for example, who lived in a tundra environment, had a brain volume of 1600 cubic centimetres, while today's Caucasians have a brain volume of 1350 cubic centimetres

2017-11-06 19:25:25 UTC

your point is already invalid based off of what @radeon said.

2017-11-06 19:25:33 UTC

That can be explained by the increased evolutionary pressure based upon populations in less resourceful environmental conditions

2017-11-06 19:25:33 UTC

question from where are you taking this info?

2017-11-06 19:26:10 UTC

Some are getting their shit together

2017-11-06 19:26:41 UTC

again nobody disagrees there are differences in race, but these are based on **averages**, rely largely on the geographic area of the people in question and their living conditions, and in no way reflect individuals

2017-11-06 19:26:46 UTC

Once again, I ackknowledge that races are different in some ways, but I just choose not to care because of my belief in Liberty based off of ideas from John Locke

2017-11-06 19:27:14 UTC

@Boris Todbringer how do explain how the alt right has a lower average IQ than the US national average?

2017-11-06 19:27:28 UTC

IQ is a genetic trait, and environment has rather minimal effect on it, as proven by many studies

2017-11-06 19:27:39 UTC

also by your own standards, arent the jews the master race? they totally murder whitey in IQ.

2017-11-06 19:27:46 UTC

IQ isn't genetic lmao

2017-11-06 19:27:50 UTC

IQ ceeling is proven to be genetic

2017-11-06 19:27:52 UTC

do you even know what IQ is?

2017-11-06 19:28:03 UTC

@radeon I'm not a member of the ''alt right'', and I would put the study showing that to some serious doubt

2017-11-06 19:28:17 UTC

race realist?

2017-11-06 19:28:21 UTC

IQ can be improved

2017-11-06 19:28:27 UTC

Race is real

2017-11-06 19:28:28 UTC

That is a preferable term, yes

2017-11-06 19:28:31 UTC

Where are you from? @Boris Todbringer

2017-11-06 19:28:59 UTC

It would be foolish to assume that 70,000 years of separate evolution between Negroids and Caucasians wouldn't result in differences with regards to intelligence

2017-11-06 19:28:59 UTC

i hate how pretentious the term race realist is, as if you're right just because your title says so

2017-11-06 19:29:13 UTC

***>using negroid unironically***

2017-11-06 19:29:33 UTC

Negroid is a scientific classification, unlike the term ''nigger'', which is a pejorative term

2017-11-06 19:29:37 UTC

@franti read the study i posted

2017-11-06 19:29:40 UTC

also get your latin straight - caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid

2017-11-06 19:30:12 UTC

Caucasian can also be used to refer to a member of a given racial group

2017-11-06 19:30:13 UTC

Ronald Wilson presented the first clear and compelling evidence that the heritability of IQ increases with age. We propose to call the phenomenon 'The Wilson Effect' and we document the effect diagrammatically with key twin and adoption studies, including twins reared apart, that have been carried out at various ages and in a large number of different settings. The results show that the heritability of IQ reaches an asymptote at about 0.80 at 18-20 years of age and continuing at that level well into adulthood. In the aggregate, the studies also confirm that shared environmental influence decreases across age, approximating about 0.10 at 18-20 years of age and continuing at that level into adulthood. These conclusions apply to the Westernized industrial democracies in which most of the studies have been carried out.

2017-11-06 19:31:47 UTC

This study shows that the effect environment has on IQ is extremely minimal

2017-11-06 19:31:58 UTC

Are African-Americans, with ancestry in certain African areas, placed higher on the IQ scale than the people who live in the nations of the same areas today?

2017-11-06 19:32:07 UTC

How do you explain the white people who aren't caucasian, the Urgrics who live in Europe, the Hungarians

2017-11-06 19:32:11 UTC

If so, how did this change happen in such a short time?

2017-11-06 19:32:17 UTC

you're assuming white and black americans share the same environiment

2017-11-06 19:32:39 UTC

also this is from 1992

2017-11-06 19:32:43 UTC

anybody want to discuss in the voice chat with a moderator?

2017-11-06 19:32:47 UTC

can we get a study from this century?

2017-11-06 19:32:52 UTC

@Mal Negroids from the Congo region have an IQ between 56 to 65, while the ones from the surrounding Savannah habitats have an IQ that is 70 on average

2017-11-06 19:33:12 UTC

so race obviously not a factor.

2017-11-06 19:33:28 UTC

is this the same for those in the US who have ancestry from that region? Or has there been no studies done on something like that?

2017-11-06 19:33:31 UTC

Once again, were not denying it, we just don't care about it.

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