deprogrammers

where the "rebellion" that culminated into offing an alien overseer was also simply a ploy by another alien, using the other one's servants against him

This is apparently me from 6 years ago

A "Social Democratic Cosmopolitan"

I thiiiiiiiiiink I'm a bit more towards the right now

Oy vey

Meh, I prefer PolitiScales

Politiscales is the best test.

It even asks about transhumanism lol

@everyone go fuck urself

No u

epic

I don't like this quiz. The questions are all or nothing more so than most other ones. It's just a choice between hardcore socialism and religious ancap

oy vey

Again, PolitiScales and 8values are far superior. Those don't assume you're from the US to begin with as well.

^^

I remember there was one that was way more specific but I can't remember it's name

listed books and ideologies such as 3 paths and kemalism as well

I mean I'd upload my most recent results of both but I can't, apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s0rINRXKVA Refugees cost $8,400 on average during their lifetime in Sweden (June 2018 report)

Just took the politiscales test

looks like they updated it

I'll have to take it again

here's my old though

Interesting that I got a dead even split between progressivism and conservatism.

You're pretty close too.

looks like it's the helicopter for you commiefag.

uhh I only got 7% communism you got 12%

not pure enough

all progressives are commies, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

but yeah, Imma retake it now.

our biggest difference was that you came up much more for reformism whereas I'm more for revolution. I think the questions might have thrown my score off of what it should be 🤔

Of course I would say that reformism comes before revolution whenever possible, but the questions all came across as a sort of ultimatum, "sometimes violence is necessary" and of course sometimes it is.

But nowadays violence is more often necessary to stop fags who think violence is necessary when it isn't.

I forgot where is mine

Here's mine.

I guess I’m more radical than most of the people in this discord server. That doesn’t surprise me.

LOL

some questions need a rework

Nah, I was being honest the whole time.

what?

i'm not talking about you

i'm talking about the test

mine haven't changed much

Oh. Gotcha.

fascism is asking for yourself to be killed

or dominated

dude is a sub, i'm telling you

So we're supposed to discuss politics here

Guess that would explain the name of the channel.

Fascism suffers from the same problem monarchism does, the minute the position is chosen only by the will of some exalted class the risk of incompetent and malicious leadership increases exponentially.

It would seem the General subject of this server would be politifcs

but thats fine

Personally I consider politics to be stuff that politicians do, and that the stuff we were talking about in <#372507611284766722> was philosophy, which is basically all Sargon ever talks about when he's not talking about politics.

But the birds have spoken.

Fascism in the long run degenerates into a hereditary oligarchy or monarchy which is an unsustainable system of government

Well, political philosoiphy I suppose ....I figure the names were shorthand

broad categories

Yeah.

Its discord not a 500 level class description

lol

That's an exceedingly retarded statement on your end, simply because it is on the platform does not in any way shape or form mandate a certain style of content unless stated by the corporation itself.

Huh? Why do you think fascists are incapable of creating a legal structure....

Unfortunately what we're seeing is a long run on liberalism that reveals moral weakness, subversion by collectives and by oligarch's without regard to the people's best interests... This was no less true in the 1900's

Globalism, transhumanism, ethnocracy, etc

Democracy subverted by big money power

A more Fascist system would protect the intrinsic Western world that you actually love

this is a really low energy raid.

'If a president can pardon himself,' this isn't a democracy

does Schumer not know what the definition of democracy is?

It's not a raid, 🤡

https://pewtube.com/user/SmashCulturalMarxism/4b5S3zp

Here's an example of Islam setting the cultural norms instead of the west
https://www.thelocal.fr/20180530/france-bans-big-screen-zones-for-world-cup-over-terror-fears

Emphasis on the Low Energy

Islam just blows up or threatens to bomb non-Islamic events, to assert their dominance or whatever

So, what you liberalists don't realize is that a culture is being asserted, and its not yours....in fascism, its your culture

You're willing to lose the cutlure civilizaitonal war, as long as "muh individualism" is still a legal precept that is safeguarded....thats fanatic.

^ muh collectivism

letting your ideology be your suicide pact.

cult of individualists

Yes, collectives exist, pretending they dont is not seeing the world with clear eyes..

you can enjoy the snowflake collective

I think collectivism is a lot like religion. It's literally impossible to fully support it.

Best you can do is pick one of the infinite sects and support that, and reject all the rest.

Individualists just go one sect further.

Well, Fascism lost, Communism lost, Islam is just another in a line of retards

Of course, using bullwhips amazing logic, we should imitate the people being retards to own the retards

I've been thinking lately about the SJW-ifying of movies and games and TV shows and such.

I think I'm going to stop accusing creators of doing that unless they admit it.

Like Ghostbusters is still on the table for criticism because they're proud of it, but if I just pick up something like Gone Home and they're not saying the reason why they chose a lesbian romance is in order to promote social justice, then I'm just going to assume the best of their motives until proven otherwise.

And honestly even if they do admit to having a SJW bias the art could still be good, like Buffy The Vampire Slayer.

I think it's really sad that I'm forced to wonder, every time I pick up a piece of art, 'Is this SJW propaganda designed to manipulate me?'... I don't want to wonder that! I just want to enjoy it.

But I think I'm going to start erring on the side of enjoying things for what they are.

The thing I am *much more* concerned about are the things that they're *removing.* Like if you want to make a story about a black person struggling with the fact that he's in the inner city and everyone is a thug who's on welfare... you wouldn't be allowed. That just wouldn't see the light of day.

Feminizing the Ghostbusters is nothing compared to the crime of suppressing some raw and interesting story.

Because of the values you listed, you described cultural stereotypes, that are easily subject to change. @Cream Man

@Cream Man well I have, and do.

You say that, but they have persevered for hundreds of years

Only to all but disappear

Perhaps that is evidence of a genetic link to culture

I mean, shit i'll do what i can to fight it, but if it's fucked it's fucked.

genetics is not linked to culture.

Well we are speaking right now, about a culture of hundreds of years being wiped away

And what is the variable

The destruction of the ethnic homogeneity of Europe is atleast something worth considering, we see what happened in Yugoslavia

Whether that is

As a result of the refusal to integrate within ethnic communities

Or actual genetics

Ethnicity means nothing, cultural compatibility is everything.

Both are interesting

Why do you think ethnicity means nothing?

Out of curiosity

Because identity with the culture plays a far more important role.

Considering intelligence is linked to genetics, why would it be hard to believe that some other social and psychological traits might be the same way

Which might evolve over time into distinct cultures

....

Today in “Giant Leaps of Logic”

Is that a giant leap

It's a fucking giant oversimplification of genetics for a start.

It really is

Outside of outright genetic conditions, intelligence has an insane degree of variables that effect it, nevermind that intelligence is somewhat subjective.

A country with a high degree of agricultural resources will always have a higher base IQ than one with greater industrial resources for instance. look at north and south korea for instance.

Actually, now that you mention it, thats a really good example

I think you are assuming correlation is causation here

I'm really not. If you can't eat, your brain won't be working at peak performance.

Maybe the environment in more agriculturally suitable areas creates a climate where natural selection picks more intelligent people

Where are areas with this less so, like sub-Saharan Africa, physical capabilities are more important for reproductive success

That argument could definitely be made

Why are people that don't have access to regular and stable sources of nutrition shorter? why when those countries gain sustainable agricultural resources have the average height increased?

That is fair

same thing works with the capacity of the brain.

They’re putting chemicals in the grain, that turns the frickin midgets tall, do you understand that

Ok, so why do certain ethnic groups living in the West still have lower average IQs than other groups

Inbreeding

That's a good question.

If it is inbreeding then it is genetic kek

I thought we were talking about there being multiple influence on intellegence

That would imply that there would be more that one factor @Deleted User ?

Well there's a shit ton of factors. intelligence is complicated.

IQ is changed very little by the level of education

@Cream Man
It's the environment

What about cultural attitudes though? I think it would be interesting to compare the IQ of people that maintain a british identity with those from the same culture without.

it's literarry on the same paper that talks about heritability

the author compares it to height, who also have a high heritability and it's also heavily influenced by environment

page 17

go there

have fun

*grabs popcorn*

what are you referencing @Fulcrum010 ? gimme a link

or at least a doi number

scihub's the shit son

Here is a question, do you think someone like Einstein was genetically predisposed to being highly intelligent, or was it environmental factors

How much of his intelligence would be due to his genetics, and how much to his environment

Well many of einstein's children are intelligent, but some of them were also schizophrenic.

you're balancing a ball on a spike with intelligence and genetics. high intelligence predisposes you to a lot of potential genetic problems.

Because genetics is fucking complicated.

But can we at the very least acknowledge that intelligence is highly effected by genetic factors

Not 100%

and not 0%

But it has a noticeable impact

Of course it is. but the ability for a culture to maintain the growth of those individuals varies.

To wrap back around to where we began

If we accept that

If we accept that non-sequitur

Is it really a stretch to say that there are other psychological traits that may be affected by genetics

no.

It is

Mainly as a result of one being able to be quantitively measured and the other, well, not so much

So why do personality disorders have a higher risk of being hereditarily passed on

in what groups?

(you can measure if someone has a genetic disorder)

Psychopathy is specifically tied to genetics

Psychopathy is a psychological trait

Bam

right. so.

And?

So psychological traits can be genetically inherited

right. so.

Psychological disorders can be inherited

I'm not getting your point @Cream Man

Why would it be that only disorders are inheritable

@Cream Man
What's your point?

You realize there is a whole field of study called evolutionary psychology right

But whatever just ignore that

There is a field called “Gender Studies”

What is your point?

disorders are by definition inheritable. I'm still not getting what your point is. lay it out, spread it like i do the cheeks of traps.

So animals dont inherit things like instincts genetically

just make your point

jesus

In order to make my point we need to come to an agreement on this

That there is a tie

Between someone's social and psychological traits

And genetics

I mean, I could just

pysiological yes, cultural, no.

Post a bunch of studies and be an autist

Well what is culture

ideas.

make your point

stop going around it

just say it

jesus

Kek

Thats not how you debate my dude

You need to set up all your arguments

No, you start with the premise and you explain it from there. if you don't have a premise we're just gonna go around in circles.

I don't think you know much about the art of rhetoric

Sad

We arent going in circles

I'll explain what I view as culture

Culture is a series of values

Please don't write a paper, that shit would be so confusing.

Hard work

you are saying a bunch of random shit, you want us to agree with you when you haven't even made a point

and when you tell you to make a point

'I'm not going to write my brief, read my shit first'.

I dont understand how you arent following along

you are claiming "superiority" for not giving it

I'm not writing paragraphs here

I'm saying that in a debate, there is an art to making an argument

Dude

bullshitting people is also an art

This is a fucking discord argument, not a presidential debate, not your speech class final

and that's all you are doing until now

How am I bullshitting

Yeah, discussion don't start with a statement to debate or anything.

the fact that you wanted us to agree on something without even making your point tells a lot

Just 👏 make 👏 your 👏 point

It's not like that's how literally every formal debate has ever been formatted.

or anything.

I started this discussion with my opinion

You can scroll back up and find it

which is?

That it is atleast a possibility that culture is somewhat determined by genetics

This is really autistic

directly? no

indirectly? maybe

you can see things that way

that's your point?

I dont understand what you are asking

Are you trying to catch me in a gotcha or something?

This is retarded

i smell a snowflake

Sad

^

It's pride month so it's time for obligatory Christian Bakery controversy

So like, can trump pardon himself?