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2018-05-04 17:37:42 UTC

yet the first karate club wasn't started in Japan until around the 1930s

2018-05-04 17:41:50 UTC

It's when I come across stuff like this that I get creeped out...
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-national-identity-important

2018-05-04 17:44:50 UTC

huh

2018-05-04 17:46:06 UTC

@Fitzydog those answers are pretty gay

2018-05-04 17:46:23 UTC

it should be renamed to queera

2018-05-04 17:50:07 UTC

Lol right? But look at those upvotes. If that's a popular opinion with no counter argument.... D:

2018-05-04 17:54:18 UTC

tbh,it's not a very well seen question

2018-05-04 17:54:38 UTC

there are actual nationalists on quora and they do get upvotes

2018-05-04 17:54:57 UTC

@Fitzydog do you frequent quora or?

2018-05-04 17:59:39 UTC

No, I'm just throwing shit at the wall, talking out my ass, and sampling the Internet waters.

IMO, this identitarian nonsense is really unhealthy and won't fade away on its own.

2018-05-04 18:04:18 UTC

shits, assholes and water

2018-05-04 18:04:19 UTC

got it

2018-05-04 18:05:02 UTC

What can I say? I'm a plumber

2018-05-04 18:06:33 UTC

"True Communism has never existed" is correct only insofar as Communism as is preached is fantasy

"True Communism has never been tried" is a bit more iffy, since many countries have tried to move towards implementing Communism - and the fact that everything has gone to shit before even reaching the end-goal is testament to the utopian fallacy of 'tw00' Communism

2018-05-04 18:06:35 UTC

Regarding Quora, certain questions are just designed to fit a narrative.

2018-05-04 18:06:43 UTC

yep

2018-05-04 18:06:58 UTC

So only a certain group of people will look for them, and answer them.

2018-05-04 18:07:03 UTC

Good point @Reaps

2018-05-04 18:07:09 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/442024399307276290/IMG_1639.JPG

2018-05-04 18:07:35 UTC

"Does capitalism kill more than communism?", nobody sane would ask that. Commies will flock to that question.

2018-05-04 18:08:05 UTC

yep

2018-05-04 18:08:09 UTC

But under capitalism 86 million people have died due to โ€œpoverty related causesโ€

2018-05-04 18:08:21 UTC

@Deleted User ww2 was caused by commies

2018-05-04 18:08:23 UTC

And Iโ€™m getting this from that one image I posted earlier lol

2018-05-04 18:08:26 UTC

they can get stuffed

2018-05-04 18:08:34 UTC

Same with "Is the Bible pro-slavery?", will have a ton of nuatheists misquote Jesus telling a parable, implying a character in the parable is Jesus himself admitting to having servants/slaves.

2018-05-04 18:08:44 UTC

commies led to the death camps

2018-05-04 18:08:45 UTC

WWII was caused by the Nazis lol

2018-05-04 18:09:03 UTC

@Deleted User Which would never have happeend if the commies were destroyed

2018-05-04 18:09:26 UTC

A) what qualifies poverty-related
B) how many people have died from 'poverty-related causes' under a Communist government
C) is dying from your government *not* paying attention to you better or worse than dying because your government *decided* to pay attention to you

2018-05-04 18:10:44 UTC

Those terms are way too vague to mean something

2018-05-04 18:11:33 UTC

Here's a question: are most African countries capitalist?

2018-05-04 18:11:34 UTC

Also, they are probably counting violence due to poverty as a reason of those deaths

2018-05-04 18:11:55 UTC

Say, in South Africa, it's illegal to sell water.

2018-05-04 18:12:13 UTC

You know, that one place that's running out of water real quick?

2018-05-04 18:12:18 UTC

wow

2018-05-04 18:12:22 UTC

Like, is it worse for a government not to directly be responsible for feeding the population (and some of the population starving to death) or for a government to go out of the way to take food away from you "for the greater good" and you starve to death?

Or to round up your entire village and ship you off to starve to death in a prison camp?

Or just shoot you all into a mass grave?

2018-05-04 18:12:30 UTC

How much of capitalism is that?

2018-05-04 18:14:34 UTC

I wonder how many of those supposed "deaths due to capitalism" come from the African countries where the government keeps undermining their own population.

2018-05-04 18:15:24 UTC

"Capitalism" is to socialists what "J00s" are to tinfoilers

2018-05-04 18:15:36 UTC

^

2018-05-04 18:15:39 UTC

"Cuba is a shithole"

2018-05-04 18:15:48 UTC

YEAH WELL THAT'S CAUSE CAPITALISTS WON'T LET THEM TRADE

2018-05-04 18:16:01 UTC

They can trade with Europe

2018-05-04 18:16:03 UTC

I guess

2018-05-04 18:16:18 UTC

As Sargon pointed out, the point of communism is that trade would become obsolete.

2018-05-04 18:16:21 UTC

Plus, if they actually couldn't trade, Cuban cigars wouldn't be a thing

2018-05-04 18:16:30 UTC

"Isn't trade a capitalist ide-"

SHUTUP

2018-05-04 18:16:31 UTC

So, no Communist state would ever need to trade.

2018-05-04 18:16:55 UTC

wish I could find the video

2018-05-04 18:17:05 UTC

but they were interviewing people in Venezuela

2018-05-04 18:17:12 UTC

including shopkeepers and business owners

2018-05-04 18:17:23 UTC

all of whom were complaining about how they couldn't make any money because of the situation

2018-05-04 18:17:27 UTC

and the comments were like

2018-05-04 18:17:28 UTC

I KNEW IT

2018-05-04 18:17:30 UTC

THE TRUTH COMES OUT

2018-05-04 18:17:36 UTC

THESE FUCKERS JUST WANT CAPITALISM

2018-05-04 18:17:41 UTC

and I'm over here like wait waaaaaaaaaaaat

2018-05-04 18:18:25 UTC

I guess they just want to eat

2018-05-04 18:18:29 UTC

And have a decent life

2018-05-04 18:19:19 UTC

And they are not having that with the glorious socialism

2018-05-04 18:20:33 UTC

SO SELFISH

2018-05-04 18:20:38 UTC

Y R THEY SO SELFISH FULCRUM

2018-05-04 18:20:47 UTC

THEY'RE TRYING TO DESTROY SOCIALISM

2018-05-04 18:20:56 UTC

They have to think at the greater good!!!!

2018-05-04 18:20:56 UTC

THIS IS ***THEIR*** FAULT THAT VENEZUELA IS COLLAPSING

2018-05-04 18:21:02 UTC

I BET THEY'RE ALL FUNDED BY THE US GOVT

2018-05-04 18:22:07 UTC

Maduro actually blamed the US government for Chavez's cancer

2018-05-04 18:22:19 UTC

Maduro is a lunatic

2018-05-04 18:41:55 UTC

Lol

2018-05-04 18:42:15 UTC

Free helicopters rides for communists

2018-05-04 18:50:10 UTC

Has anyone listened to King Of Kings from Hardcore History? Very interesting insight into the political climate of the Achaemenid Empire, and their relatively 'liberal', multicultural society.

2018-05-04 19:05:51 UTC

Stalin looks like Jason Alexander with a wig

2018-05-04 19:06:05 UTC

lol

2018-05-04 19:06:56 UTC

He looks so awkwardly familiar

2018-05-04 19:07:00 UTC

but can't quite put my finger on it

2018-05-04 19:07:21 UTC

If nothing else that thumbnail looks like a screenshot from Red Alert

2018-05-04 19:08:43 UTC

From the thumbnail, he looks like Maduro

2018-05-04 22:05:10 UTC

hitler was such a fucking idiot

2018-05-04 22:05:53 UTC

there's a difference between actual ruthless cunning dictators that will outsmart you at every turn until the police shoots you in your garden like Stalin, Saddam Hussein or Erdogan

2018-05-04 22:06:16 UTC

and thought-leaders like hitler who usually have no fucking clue what they're doing when given control of an army

2018-05-05 05:31:14 UTC

Yep

2018-05-05 05:33:22 UTC

Thought leader with a group of Yes-men surrounding him.

It's like a circle jerk of Aryan superiority

2018-05-05 05:47:21 UTC

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/992589114670243840 HAHAHAHA what a dumb human being. He should be removed from office by force. Incompetent little boy

2018-05-05 05:48:41 UTC

Just.... send me forward in time by 6 months

2018-05-05 09:18:49 UTC

his yes-men were actually quite competent which was hitler's only saving grace but the war effort was pretty much lost on his back because there was no saying no to him XD

2018-05-05 16:59:06 UTC

Exactly

2018-05-05 17:51:37 UTC

Did you really have to click on each channel to post a random useless reply? Rank whoring much?

2018-05-05 17:52:31 UTC

Did you really have to click on each channel to post a random useless reply? Rank whoring much?

2018-05-05 17:56:18 UTC

.... uh oh <:think_hang:378717098903470080>

2018-05-05 18:01:03 UTC

I remember when Weavs did this the first time

2018-05-05 18:01:08 UTC

oh, the memories.

2018-05-05 20:50:30 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixlzlna_BUs

Really heartbreaking story from PhotonicInduction (Youtuber with about 360k subscribers) about his experiences with UK immigration. He talks about how he's contemplating suicide, so I suspect the video will get taken down.

2018-05-05 21:10:49 UTC

Maybe his Indian wife should join ISIS, that would speed up her paperwork.

2018-05-05 21:14:58 UTC

And free council housing, too!

2018-05-05 22:52:07 UTC

Pretty woke on how degenerate Marx was as a human being...
https://youtu.be/NirpXeuXlbU

2018-05-06 00:51:10 UTC

Question: is classical liberalism left or right?

2018-05-06 00:51:42 UTC

It's the center these days

2018-05-06 00:52:24 UTC

also, is anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism the same thing?

2018-05-06 00:53:11 UTC

No, anarcho capitalism argues that the state as an entity is fundamentally immoral as an agent of force

2018-05-06 00:54:30 UTC

Libertarianism is ethically ambiguous about the state, and is defined in the modern day as 'minarchist'

2018-05-06 05:41:18 UTC

Iโ€™d say classical liberalism, and Enlightenment ideas in general, can apply to both the left and right.

2018-05-06 05:43:14 UTC

In the 'ideal' Left/Right dichotomy, it is assumed that both sides are operating under the pretense that Enlightenment values are correct.

2018-05-06 05:44:49 UTC

^

2018-05-06 05:49:07 UTC

Classical liberalism seems more right wing now due to the loons on the left

2018-05-06 05:52:00 UTC

They're subversive socialists, trying to undermine western democracy, because they're butt hurt they won't be able to succeed within it. They'll implode after a while, hopefully, once people wake up to it.

2018-05-06 05:53:14 UTC

Theyโ€™re doomed to not go very far. Americans are allergic to radicals. In Europe though, there could be problems.

2018-05-06 05:57:26 UTC

It'll spread back over. The mainstream left is slowly getting the idea that the words their politicians spout are contrary to the policies they put forward. They've got an 'okay' moral compass, albeit one that just aligns with every around them, but most people aren't going to be persuaded into radical leftism with the Internet being available.

Islam is the real threat to the west, imo.

2018-05-06 05:57:41 UTC

classical liberalism seems right wing because the window got shifted

2018-05-06 05:58:42 UTC

If the progressive, left-wing movement is illiberal, then liberals are conservatives.

2018-05-06 06:00:46 UTC

They are ready. Liberal isn't an antithetical definition to conservative

2018-05-06 06:01:44 UTC

Mhm

2018-05-06 06:02:09 UTC

Progressive is the opposite of conservative, and people will tell you they're both liberal. (But progs aren't, cause utilitarianism)

2018-05-06 06:04:01 UTC

Thereโ€™s going to be a shift soon, and the pendulum will change directions to the right, just as it went left in the 60โ€™s, as a result of the liberals becoming conservatives due to perspective

2018-05-06 06:06:11 UTC

Nah, that's not how it works anymore. Leftist philosophy is being destroyed before our eyes. We'll see a shift to politics more similar pre-WW2 dichotomies

2018-05-06 06:06:30 UTC

(In my opinion)

2018-05-06 06:10:34 UTC

Well, back in the 50โ€™s and before, conservatism was deeply rooted everywhere, and being a lefty was counterculture and weird. Now, leftism is everywhere, and liberalism/conservatism is counterculture. But it is possible that the democrats/left go back to pre-WWII as they struggle to survive. Could even be a party flip flop, where the left tries to go back and the right moves forward. Thatโ€™d be weird.

2018-05-06 06:10:53 UTC

Anyway, good talking to ya, but I need some sleep. Adieu

2018-05-06 06:11:02 UTC

๐Ÿ‘

2018-05-06 16:22:00 UTC

Sweet

2018-05-06 17:27:34 UTC

@Deleted User Ancaps are a subset of libertarians. Not all libertarians are ancaps.

2018-05-06 17:29:29 UTC

@Deleted User is a commie
it's sort of expected that she'd conflate libertarians with ancaps

2018-05-06 17:34:04 UTC

@Deleted User I think any average person would. It's not exactly a mainstream concept

2018-05-06 17:34:23 UTC

that's because they're sheeple

2018-05-06 17:35:05 UTC

No, it's because not everyone is a politics nerd like we are lol

2018-05-06 17:36:21 UTC

lol

2018-05-06 17:36:57 UTC

He is actually right in this one

2018-05-06 17:37:24 UTC

For real, when you take a step back from all this, you feel like you arw taking small stuff way too seriously

2018-05-06 17:37:55 UTC

who?

2018-05-06 17:38:07 UTC

<:pepe_sad:378719408345841664>

2018-05-06 17:38:08 UTC

Fitz

2018-05-06 17:38:43 UTC

Take a month break of reading politics, and the world will seems perfect

2018-05-06 17:39:16 UTC

That's why I understand people who don't see "the cultural war" or "the Muslim problem"

2018-05-06 17:39:25 UTC

Even the problem with illegal migration

2018-05-06 17:39:36 UTC

It's like the Man Behind the Curtain from wizard of oz

2018-05-06 17:39:36 UTC

They are just uniformed about a subject

2018-05-06 17:39:50 UTC

And since their lives are going without problems, they don't care

2018-05-06 17:41:07 UTC

Which seems to be a bigger problem, if most people aren't taking into consideration externalities for their long term plans

2018-05-06 17:41:18 UTC
2018-05-06 17:41:36 UTC

To understand the problems, and their implications

2018-05-06 17:41:51 UTC

You have to actually look for it

2018-05-06 17:42:01 UTC

Inform yourself about what's happening

2018-05-06 17:42:08 UTC

And most people just don't do that

2018-05-06 17:56:46 UTC

no wonder people can act so ignorant about a problem/issue

2018-05-06 19:00:05 UTC

No, I'm not a communist.

2018-05-06 19:01:19 UTC

I don't bother learning what anarcho-anything means, because I know the person identifying with it is a lunatic.

2018-05-06 19:02:08 UTC

@Deleted User well, considering you were wanting to ban people off the server because they said something you didn't like, you kinda sound like a commie.

2018-05-06 19:03:16 UTC

Well, if you think that too much government involvement is a bad thing, anarchism doesn't sound all too crazy @DanielKO

2018-05-06 19:03:24 UTC

@Fitzydog I was kidding.

2018-05-06 19:05:27 UTC

@DanielKO Anarcho capitalism isn't really anarchy anyways. It's also called 'voluntarism', due to the natural proclivity of people to form groups for mutual defense.

2018-05-06 19:06:00 UTC

Sounds great for a Mad Max world.

2018-05-06 19:07:58 UTC

No, it wouldn't be like that at all. More like really big HOAs, and city states.

2018-05-06 19:15:20 UTC

When you think about it, Anarcho capitalism is more like 18th century North America, with the population centers having rules, but there's the option to leave for somewhere else if you'd like. The 'state' didn't really impact the individual at all.

2018-05-06 19:42:52 UTC

@Deleted User is a communist thot

2018-05-06 19:43:00 UTC

don't let her honeyed words deceive you

2018-05-06 20:04:38 UTC

we need liberalist thotsquads

2018-05-06 20:04:41 UTC

taking out the thots

2018-05-06 20:05:59 UTC

Lol

2018-05-06 20:37:39 UTC

@Deleted User is stupid asf

2018-05-06 20:39:44 UTC

@Deleted User is a hoe

2018-05-06 20:40:32 UTC

......

2018-05-06 20:40:39 UTC

I will just stay quiet

2018-05-06 21:45:51 UTC

Finally an interview that's worth anyone's time.

2018-05-06 21:45:57 UTC

He talks about his commie past.

2018-05-06 21:46:09 UTC

Yeah, it's pretty good

2018-05-06 21:46:41 UTC

He also puts down his long term goal: to fix these ambiguous laws

2018-05-06 21:46:55 UTC

Cool

2018-05-06 21:47:15 UTC

The problem is, fixing the laws is just as easy as ruining them.

2018-05-06 21:47:47 UTC

Guaranteed free speech is the only way in the 21st century

2018-05-06 21:47:50 UTC

All he needs to fix it is for the sitting parliament to change the laws.

2018-05-06 21:48:10 UTC

All that's needed to ruin it again is for the next parliament to pass the fucked up laws again.

2018-05-06 21:48:54 UTC

It's a miracle the UK hasn't collapsed prior to now, with their convoluted system

2018-05-06 21:50:08 UTC

Maybe the problem isn't that it's convoluted, but it's simplistic. Anything can be passed into law, any law can be undone.

2018-05-06 21:51:28 UTC

Well, i.e. try explaining to a brit how the Alfie Evans case is a byproduct of their government.

They don't even use the same definition for 'government' as the US does. So confusing...

2018-05-06 21:51:59 UTC

"It's not the government! It's the courts!"
<:what:382980756139409409>

2018-05-06 23:22:01 UTC

It's more the fact that the US has different definitions for literally everything political than europeans have

2018-05-06 23:22:45 UTC

Itโ€™s not our fault you guys are faggots

2018-05-06 23:22:54 UTC

Britian being one of the few exceptions cause they're backwards as fuck and haven't implemented a basic law or MMP yet

2018-05-06 23:23:10 UTC

You're the faggots you don't have MMP <:thronk:441701565607444482>

2018-05-06 23:23:53 UTC

Iโ€™m sorry, I donโ€™t talk to parliamentary faggots

2018-05-06 23:25:05 UTC

But we have parties that aren't cancer and so spread a government and political system it's impossible to create a swamp in <:think_woke:378717098681171988>

2018-05-06 23:25:52 UTC

Or well, looking at the somewhat famous semifinals resolution, 'it's slightly inconvenient to create a swamp in"

2018-05-06 23:26:39 UTC

Europeans are cucks

2018-05-06 23:27:26 UTC

Kek

2018-05-06 23:27:38 UTC

<:thronk:441701565607444482>

2018-05-07 02:47:29 UTC

Kanye is going to create Ancapistan if he keeps this up...
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/993221454740185088

2018-05-07 02:55:54 UTC

Interesting developments

2018-05-07 04:52:28 UTC

https://twitter.com/NSAGov/status/992542638527209472 this amazing man will be missed as its director. I look forward to seeing his successor in action

2018-05-07 05:42:38 UTC

How do they even have computers to plug the USBs into? The defectors, I mean.

2018-05-07 05:43:12 UTC

Defectors?

2018-05-07 05:43:50 UTC

You mean NK? They have an entire nationwide intranet

2018-05-07 05:47:00 UTC

Majority of the population doesn't even have electricity.

2018-05-07 05:47:24 UTC

Oh, well yeah. But the USB drive is for Kim

2018-05-07 05:48:05 UTC

The more affluent people have DVD players for state propaganda, and USB drives with movies get smuggled in though

2018-05-07 05:48:21 UTC

Yes, this one. The article talks about how they smuggle USB drives in for the people to defect.

2018-05-07 05:48:41 UTC

So I wonder if the majority of the defectors were high class to begin with.

2018-05-07 05:49:50 UTC

The further from the Chinese border you are, I assume the more affluent you have to be in order to even get there.

2018-05-07 05:51:13 UTC

The whole "let's appease him with presents" is disgusting, honestly.

2018-05-07 05:52:48 UTC

Idk, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the maximum he can before he bails out

2018-05-07 05:53:53 UTC

I'm still in shock about the words "Korean peace"

2018-05-07 05:57:37 UTC

Kim Jong Un doesn't need just a deal to grant a comfy future for his family, but also for his close supporters. Otherwise he'll get assassinated and replaced before he can sign the deal.

2018-05-07 05:58:07 UTC

So, is "peace" worth it if he stays in power, the government stays the same?

2018-05-07 05:58:17 UTC

Just the threats of nuking everyone gone?

2018-05-07 06:02:38 UTC

Check out Michael Malices stuff on youtube, and his twitter feed. If anyone in the West is an expert on NK, he is.

2018-05-07 06:03:08 UTC

His close circle doesn't work like it does in say Venezuela

2018-05-07 06:11:55 UTC

@DanielKO
It's probably what will happen tbh

2018-05-07 06:12:01 UTC

He don't want to leave power

2018-05-07 06:22:22 UTC

@DanielKO The Koreas had a computer that was basically their equivalent of the President's Russian Hotline. It operates as a console that has a phone embedded into it and uses software on the machine to make the connection to the other end.

The thing still runs Windows XP

2018-05-07 06:25:41 UTC

lol

2018-05-07 06:25:50 UTC

Still better than win 10 @Legiondude

2018-05-07 06:26:07 UTC

I don't mind Windows 10...now

2018-05-07 06:26:26 UTC

Had some issues with my family's comp and that free upgrade offer

2018-05-07 15:47:43 UTC

I asked the assassination question here
https://youtu.be/ig5Rc9YPDDs

2018-05-07 20:23:45 UTC

Hmmmmm ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”

2018-05-07 22:29:14 UTC

@Reaps other than the shitty editing, and the obscure references.... it was still an overly simplistic video that explains nothing.

2018-05-08 00:03:40 UTC

So I'm seeing some retards trying to coin the term "Free Speech Warriors".

2018-05-08 01:15:00 UTC

ok

2018-05-08 01:15:28 UTC

thoughts?

2018-05-08 06:53:50 UTC

God this is infuriating why is it ok to kiss Stalin and Marx's ass? https://youtu.be/qT1JAzhywfA

2018-05-08 06:54:49 UTC

From Jimmy Door by the way

2018-05-08 12:23:51 UTC

Why would it be not ok to kiss anyone's ass?

Since their name is Stalin or Marx

2018-05-08 12:34:28 UTC

Now you are coming from a bad place Broo Chav. That of suppression and not that of freedom.

2018-05-08 15:29:00 UTC

You can kiss their ass if you want, I just dont think the like ratio should be 90% positive.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/i24pqXnReREYYaNC/twitter.com

Go sort out your volcano Tulsi <:covfefe:440543908846632980>

2018-05-08 23:23:54 UTC

Lol

2018-05-08 23:57:57 UTC

Trump's foreign policy: Why we probably won't invade Iran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2cXHmSjDO0

2018-05-09 00:47:19 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/443574655073124373/veMQ_0DAuFZIFvWxW5u9yJOujEZxxqGLqImoPkSyORo.png

2018-05-09 00:47:25 UTC

Is anyone tired of winning

2018-05-09 00:48:01 UTC

DACA actually got dumped?

2018-05-09 00:48:44 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/443575013493178368/-TNxALWujCr8VO8xCf02PnHHO3_sr_uZ1r9_9DBKsvo.png

2018-05-09 00:48:49 UTC

on the presidential level yes

2018-05-09 00:49:06 UTC

it is still being bunged by leftist judges

2018-05-09 00:49:41 UTC

The Paris climate agreement is bullshit, taxing people won't stop global warming

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