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Ah yes those pesky europeans
I agree Europe isn't heading in a very liberal direction, that's for sure
that being said im genuinely in awe that this dude is unironically defending random ID checks
the "what do you have to hide?" argument in 3, 2, 1...
Does your police do any random check in the US?
Liberty over safety every time
only if they have reasonable cause to
Again. You're jumping to conclusion. If you want to have a genuine discussion, sure. But you've proven yourself way too screechy and immature for that by now.
But you're making the assumption I'm anti-gun based off the fact that I'm trying to call a gun a weapon.
well what is it if it isnt a weapon?
coz it sure aint a fucking ornament
I am not arguing for confiscation
Facts over fantasy.
This is what americans can't understand. Your politics are in shambles because of it.
you cannot define a clear definition between what is any isn't a weapon when you believe anything is always a weapon no matter what
It's Okay to be American.
I'd love to put two Winchester model 1894's over my fireplace
If I laid out a table with dozens of knives of different sizes could you point out to me which are weapons and which are not without running around with a ruler?
well... i suppose it depends on weather you label them "kitchen" and "not kitchen"
There are certain designs which are inherently banned because they're distinctly considered a weapon. Regardless of length.
I can use non-kitchen knives to assault someone, likewise I could use a KA-BAR to cut my steak, whats the distinction?
Like this one
***Considered*** a weapon. By what criteria? My feels?
Considered by agreement
so collective feels.
I don't agree with you.
not actual hard data.
i would argue that context is more defining of a weapon
"If I can't get a definite answer if only some of them are or all them are. None of them are."
If a woman uses a child to extort money from a man, would Europe ban that child for being used as a weapon?
ie. it doesnt matter what kind of knife, if you're standing in front of someone screaming "im going to stab you"
Could even be a screwdriver.
Sure, Vertigo. But you can still look at something before the fact and look at which is easier or made for stabbing.
Or a broken bottle.
a weapon is anything used to assault someone or something. If you can't using it for that purpose than it isn't a weapon.
i think prison proves you can make anything a weapon
they use fucking toothbrushes
A trench knife is not made for cutting fucking steak though is it?
Its really stupid easy to stab someone with a screwdriver.
I've watched Serbian film and I saw a dude kill a guy with his dick.
Should we ban dicks?
no, but you could jsut as easily use it as a paperweight
Why its made isn't relevant
Then we should ban all pointy things. Everything shall be round from now on.
lol we could easily circumvent your logic by putting "target use only" on all guns
Deflecting like a champ
Good talk everyone
going way way back, what exactly do you find objectionable about american 'gun culture'?
idiots get them way too easily
lol again, how?
couldnt tell you, dont live there
*Arsenal of 27 guns*
i think you've been watching too much VICE news my dude
thats like saying britbogs worship tea
The Autism of requiring an objective definition for weapon
i do like tea.
I can kinda see the gun worship thing. It doesn't bother me. It's part of our cultural heritage, just like the Scottish claymore
Or the Irish car bomb
quick poll, who here actually lives in America?
Could shorten that down. "Quick poll, who's retarded"
U.S is my city
Now now no need to be this adverserial
Death is a perferable alternative is gommunism
why are eurotrash lecturing us about how backwards and uncivilized we are?
depends on who you calling eurotrash
At least during communism everybody had a job
And that job was to starve
you guys clearly have the whole avoiding tyranny thing down pat 😉
had one job. did it.
Some people here believe this
*when the khmer rouge invade your village and your finally get a job as fertilizer*
30 years from now, EU will likely be disbanded anyway
It's a bit ironic being called eurotrash when it's the country of liberty that has an odd resurgence of genuine communists.
you mean antifa?
Not all commies are antifa, but sure.
like, the antifa that was founded in germany?
And people here I mean the Warsaw pact
lol do you genuinely think antifa is a legitimate politcal presense?
Europe has plenty of communists my dude
Oh I know
they're a couple hundred NEETs from tumblr they are nothing
The french guy
Did you see the g20?
They literally sang L'Internationale.
see i love watching the G20 riots where people are setting fire to cars and everyone looks on helplessly
in america we would just shoot one of them and they'd flee like rats ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not really though
Because that's how your countless rallies has ended right?
in america, youd wait for something to happen in the EU, then a week or two later, it happens in the US and is sooooo muuuccchhh woooorrssseee beecause it happened there.
in big cities with (((gun-free zones))) no, but going house to house burning cars? wouldn't happen.
Burn my truck, I fuckin dare them
Stand your ground laws rule
literally dudes standing on their balconies watching commies burn their cars
and i have absolutely zero sympathy for people lawfully shot while committing arson
Vigiliance is not legal.
So it's not lawfully.
to be fair that was a fascist trashcan
In US you can shoot someone during a felony
It depends on the state, no?
i love how europe has a criminal rights movement, thats rich.
It's called human rights.
But yea, sure.
Yes the right to vote
Felons here have that
the right not to be waterboarded?
like the guy in the UK who shot 2 armed home intruders killing one and is serving a life sentence while the invader got 16 months.
Now you defend torture
thats totally fair
i never heard that guy
ill have to find it this was years ago
was gonna say
this sounds like one of them stories you make up on the spot to reinforce your point
But they do exist.
And americans say that you rights dont come from the government
They take away your right to vote
this is a different case but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
you can have your right to vote taken away?
rights don't come from the government
Only if you're black or a woman.
rights by nature cannot be granted, only denied
Yeah, we base our idea of Liberty off of John Locke, the government is there to protect your rights, but it is not the authority which grants them. They are inalienable.
So you believe you have a right to kill people but the government is denying it you?
"certain" unalienable rights
I have the right to kill someone invading my home, absolutely.
How do you get to these righs?
What is a right?
It's almost like there's someone enforcing laws.
one second im in a phone call
btw, in the case of that story you posted, it appears that he was done on a technicality
he did not have the correct licencing for that weapon
therefore its murder
Get your hunting license boys.
The rights are inalienable, thats the point
didn't have the correct licenicing?
That is fucked up
it is and it isnt
the government only exists to protect them
Are those rihgts in your genes?
unlike the US, we dont generally have guns
So it would have been alright to have killed the burglars with a properly licensed firearm?
we can have guns
but we need adequate training etc etc on them
the licence is basically proof you had the correct training
No, those are your rights on the bases that you exist and deserve self determination.
Hunting lodges usually.
Uk law is too draconian even for me
no, but if theres one thing we brits are, its a stickler for the rules
holy shit this is still going on
They arest people for tweets
Isn't that Germany?
it has happened here
Nah fam the UK too
it was kinda funny
UK arrests people if their dogs don't like jews.
backing up for a minute... no, murder isnt a right because youre violating the rights of another
thats a little extreme
UK doesn't have freedom like US
rights 1. cannot violate the rights of other people and 2. exist in a vacuum exterior to the intervention of others i.e. medical care
There is a difference between murder and self-defense.
its called a 2nd shot
They both leave a dead person
From what I understood, the guy got arrested because he chased after the burglars after they were running away. Excessive force.
self defense is legal because you have a right to self-preservation
Only a moron would fire once at an assailant
in the US this is part of the second amendment and stand your ground laws
although don't get me wrong, there is far more to 2A than self defense
I'm pretty sure you can't run after the burglars and keep shooting at them, after they're retreating.
the way its looked at here in general (in the uk, incase you didnt notice)
by the time the police show up, you're already dead, if you even were able to call them.
is its based on a sitation
like. if a burgular came in
thats because the UK is a nanny state
you have no rights
and you grabbed a fireplace ornament and whacked him over the head
obviously not run after them, thats why its a stand your ground.
what little the government lets you do is backed up by nothing at all
Oh God Dammit are we back on the rights thing again?
"oh well, shit happens"
its the 2nd hit that will get you
In Germany there's no "excessive force" until the threat ends.
Also, it's called Castle doctrine
if the UK government wanted to simply ignore all your rights and set up a police state there is nothing you could do to stop it
Or something like that, Joerg from the Slingshot Channel said it.
I have the legal right to defend myself and my property
what are you gonna do, report the police to the police? write a strongly worded letter to your MP?
The US has also done draconian steps toward it, remember the PATRIOT act?
Complain to the US lol
"free man of the land"
the patriot act is indefensible yea
yeah, I fucking hate that shit, and want it gone
the US isnt perfect
The patriot act is defensible
Overly broad maybe
Yet people gave these rights up with enthusiasm
We didn't approve of the Patriot act.
no, we have been trying to get rid of it since it was put in place