#politics-free-for-all (Discord ID: 372513679964635138) in /r/SargonOfAkkad (Sparta), page 4

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2017-11-06 17:35:35 UTC

Ah yes those pesky europeans

2017-11-06 17:35:40 UTC


2017-11-06 17:35:44 UTC

I agree Europe isn't heading in a very liberal direction, that's for sure

2017-11-06 17:35:46 UTC

that being said im genuinely in awe that this dude is unironically defending random ID checks

2017-11-06 17:36:01 UTC

_waits paitently_

2017-11-06 17:36:29 UTC

the "what do you have to hide?" argument in 3, 2, 1...

2017-11-06 17:36:43 UTC

Does your police do any random check in the US?

2017-11-06 17:36:46 UTC

Liberty over safety every time

2017-11-06 17:36:55 UTC

only if they have reasonable cause to

2017-11-06 17:37:39 UTC

Again. You're jumping to conclusion. If you want to have a genuine discussion, sure. But you've proven yourself way too screechy and immature for that by now.
But you're making the assumption I'm anti-gun based off the fact that I'm trying to call a gun a weapon.

2017-11-06 17:38:02 UTC

well what is it if it isnt a weapon?

2017-11-06 17:38:07 UTC

coz it sure aint a fucking ornament

2017-11-06 17:38:10 UTC

I am not arguing for confiscation

2017-11-06 17:38:15 UTC


2017-11-06 17:38:24 UTC

Facts over fantasy.
This is what americans can't understand. Your politics are in shambles because of it.

2017-11-06 17:38:34 UTC

you cannot define a clear definition between what is any isn't a weapon when you believe anything is always a weapon no matter what

2017-11-06 17:38:47 UTC

It's Okay to be American.

2017-11-06 17:38:51 UTC

I'd love to put two Winchester model 1894's over my fireplace

2017-11-06 17:38:53 UTC


2017-11-06 17:39:16 UTC

If I laid out a table with dozens of knives of different sizes could you point out to me which are weapons and which are not without running around with a ruler?

2017-11-06 17:39:41 UTC

well... i suppose it depends on weather you label them "kitchen" and "not kitchen"

2017-11-06 17:39:53 UTC

There are certain designs which are inherently banned because they're distinctly considered a weapon. Regardless of length.

2017-11-06 17:40:15 UTC

I can use non-kitchen knives to assault someone, likewise I could use a KA-BAR to cut my steak, whats the distinction?

2017-11-06 17:40:21 UTC



2017-11-06 17:41:01 UTC

Like this one

2017-11-06 17:41:06 UTC

***Considered*** a weapon. By what criteria? My feels?

2017-11-06 17:41:35 UTC

Considered by agreement

2017-11-06 17:41:46 UTC

so collective feels.

2017-11-06 17:41:50 UTC

I don't agree with you.

2017-11-06 17:41:52 UTC

not actual hard data.

2017-11-06 17:41:52 UTC

i would argue that context is more defining of a weapon

2017-11-06 17:41:52 UTC

"If I can't get a definite answer if only some of them are or all them are. None of them are."

2017-11-06 17:42:05 UTC

If a woman uses a child to extort money from a man, would Europe ban that child for being used as a weapon?

2017-11-06 17:42:11 UTC

ie. it doesnt matter what kind of knife, if you're standing in front of someone screaming "im going to stab you"

2017-11-06 17:42:21 UTC


2017-11-06 17:42:38 UTC

Could even be a screwdriver.

2017-11-06 17:42:40 UTC

Sure, Vertigo. But you can still look at something before the fact and look at which is easier or made for stabbing.

2017-11-06 17:42:43 UTC

Or a broken bottle.

2017-11-06 17:42:51 UTC

a weapon is anything used to assault someone or something. If you can't using it for that purpose than it isn't a weapon.

2017-11-06 17:42:53 UTC

i think prison proves you can make anything a weapon

2017-11-06 17:42:59 UTC

they use fucking toothbrushes

2017-11-06 17:43:04 UTC

A trench knife is not made for cutting fucking steak though is it?

2017-11-06 17:43:11 UTC

Its really stupid easy to stab someone with a screwdriver.

2017-11-06 17:43:19 UTC

I've watched Serbian film and I saw a dude kill a guy with his dick.

Should we ban dicks?

2017-11-06 17:43:21 UTC

no, but you could jsut as easily use it as a paperweight

2017-11-06 17:43:25 UTC

Why its made isn't relevant

2017-11-06 17:43:29 UTC

Then we should ban all pointy things. Everything shall be round from now on.

2017-11-06 17:43:40 UTC

*Divert discussion*

2017-11-06 17:43:46 UTC

lol we could easily circumvent your logic by putting "target use only" on all guns

2017-11-06 17:43:53 UTC

Deflecting like a champ

2017-11-06 17:44:01 UTC

Problem solved

2017-11-06 17:44:28 UTC

Good talk everyone

2017-11-06 17:44:31 UTC


2017-11-06 17:44:38 UTC

going way way back, what exactly do you find objectionable about american 'gun culture'?

2017-11-06 17:44:47 UTC

idiots get them way too easily

2017-11-06 17:44:55 UTC


2017-11-06 17:44:57 UTC

Gun worship

2017-11-06 17:45:06 UTC

lol again, how?

2017-11-06 17:45:20 UTC

couldnt tell you, dont live there

2017-11-06 17:45:30 UTC

*Arsenal of 27 guns*

2017-11-06 17:45:32 UTC

i think you've been watching too much VICE news my dude

2017-11-06 17:45:50 UTC

thats like saying britbogs worship tea

2017-11-06 17:45:56 UTC

its hyperbole

2017-11-06 17:45:58 UTC


2017-11-06 17:46:01 UTC

The Autism of requiring an objective definition for weapon

2017-11-06 17:46:01 UTC

i do like tea.

2017-11-06 17:46:02 UTC

I can kinda see the gun worship thing. It doesn't bother me. It's part of our cultural heritage, just like the Scottish claymore

2017-11-06 17:46:32 UTC

Or the Irish car bomb

2017-11-06 17:46:37 UTC

quick poll, who here actually lives in America?

2017-11-06 17:46:42 UTC


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2017-11-06 17:46:50 UTC

Could shorten that down. "Quick poll, who's retarded"

2017-11-06 17:46:54 UTC

wew lad

2017-11-06 17:46:58 UTC

Uh oh

2017-11-06 17:47:07 UTC

U.S is my city

2017-11-06 17:47:12 UTC


2017-11-06 17:47:16 UTC

American here

2017-11-06 17:47:17 UTC

Now now no need to be this adverserial

2017-11-06 17:47:31 UTC


2017-11-06 17:47:31 UTC

wew vlad

2017-11-06 17:47:47 UTC


2017-11-06 17:47:48 UTC

someones salty

2017-11-06 17:48:09 UTC

Jk jk

2017-11-06 17:48:26 UTC

Death is a perferable alternative is gommunism

2017-11-06 17:48:42 UTC

why are eurotrash lecturing us about how backwards and uncivilized we are?

2017-11-06 17:48:56 UTC

depends on who you calling eurotrash

2017-11-06 17:49:00 UTC

At least during communism everybody had a job

2017-11-06 17:49:19 UTC

And that job was to starve

2017-11-06 17:49:22 UTC


2017-11-06 17:49:29 UTC

you guys clearly have the whole avoiding tyranny thing down pat πŸ˜‰

2017-11-06 17:49:30 UTC

had one job. did it.

2017-11-06 17:50:00 UTC

100% employment

2017-11-06 17:50:01 UTC

Some people here believe this

2017-11-06 17:50:20 UTC

*when the khmer rouge invade your village and your finally get a job as fertilizer*

2017-11-06 17:50:32 UTC

30 years from now, EU will likely be disbanded anyway

2017-11-06 17:50:36 UTC

It's a bit ironic being called eurotrash when it's the country of liberty that has an odd resurgence of genuine communists.

2017-11-06 17:50:45 UTC

you mean antifa?

2017-11-06 17:50:54 UTC

Not all commies are antifa, but sure.

2017-11-06 17:50:57 UTC

100% employment

2017-11-06 17:51:08 UTC

like, the antifa that was founded in germany?

2017-11-06 17:51:08 UTC

And people here I mean the Warsaw pact

2017-11-06 17:51:23 UTC

lol do you genuinely think antifa is a legitimate politcal presense?

2017-11-06 17:51:40 UTC

Europe has plenty of communists my dude

2017-11-06 17:51:43 UTC

Oh I know

2017-11-06 17:51:44 UTC

they're a couple hundred NEETs from tumblr they are nothing

2017-11-06 17:51:46 UTC

The french guy

2017-11-06 17:51:48 UTC

Did you see the g20?

2017-11-06 17:51:49 UTC


2017-11-06 17:52:04 UTC

They literally sang L'Internationale.

2017-11-06 17:52:17 UTC

see i love watching the G20 riots where people are setting fire to cars and everyone looks on helplessly

2017-11-06 17:52:39 UTC

in america we would just shoot one of them and they'd flee like rats Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―

2017-11-06 17:52:47 UTC


2017-11-06 17:52:52 UTC

Not really though

2017-11-06 17:52:54 UTC

Because that's how your countless rallies has ended right?

2017-11-06 17:52:59 UTC


2017-11-06 17:53:14 UTC

in america, youd wait for something to happen in the EU, then a week or two later, it happens in the US and is sooooo muuuccchhh woooorrssseee beecause it happened there.

2017-11-06 17:53:29 UTC

in big cities with (((gun-free zones))) no, but going house to house burning cars? wouldn't happen.

2017-11-06 17:53:49 UTC

Burn my truck, I fuckin dare them

2017-11-06 17:54:00 UTC

Stand your ground laws rule

2017-11-06 17:54:05 UTC

literally dudes standing on their balconies watching commies burn their cars

2017-11-06 17:54:16 UTC


2017-11-06 17:54:35 UTC


2017-11-06 17:54:38 UTC

and i have absolutely zero sympathy for people lawfully shot while committing arson

2017-11-06 17:54:53 UTC

Vigiliance is not legal.

2017-11-06 17:54:55 UTC

So it's not lawfully.

2017-11-06 17:54:55 UTC

to be fair that was a fascist trashcan

2017-11-06 17:55:08 UTC

In US you can shoot someone during a felony

2017-11-06 17:55:23 UTC

rightfully so

2017-11-06 17:55:33 UTC

It depends on the state, no?

2017-11-06 17:55:41 UTC

i love how europe has a criminal rights movement, thats rich.

2017-11-06 17:55:48 UTC

@Soyaman yeah, it does

2017-11-06 17:55:50 UTC

It's called human rights.

2017-11-06 17:55:52 UTC

But yea, sure.

2017-11-06 17:55:55 UTC

Yes the right to vote

2017-11-06 17:56:03 UTC

Felons here have that

2017-11-06 17:56:13 UTC

the right not to be waterboarded?

2017-11-06 17:56:17 UTC

like the guy in the UK who shot 2 armed home intruders killing one and is serving a life sentence while the invader got 16 months.

2017-11-06 17:56:25 UTC

Now you defend torture

2017-11-06 17:56:27 UTC

thats totally fair

2017-11-06 17:56:36 UTC

what guy?

2017-11-06 17:56:39 UTC

i never heard that guy

2017-11-06 17:56:50 UTC

ill have to find it this was years ago

2017-11-06 17:56:55 UTC

was gonna say

2017-11-06 17:57:06 UTC

this sounds like one of them stories you make up on the spot to reinforce your point

2017-11-06 17:57:10 UTC


2017-11-06 17:57:12 UTC

A little.

2017-11-06 17:57:14 UTC

But they do exist.

2017-11-06 17:57:21 UTC

And americans say that you rights dont come from the government

2017-11-06 17:57:37 UTC

They take away your right to vote

2017-11-06 17:57:58 UTC
2017-11-06 17:57:58 UTC

you can have your right to vote taken away?

2017-11-06 17:58:22 UTC

rights don't come from the government

2017-11-06 17:58:22 UTC

Only if you're black or a woman.

2017-11-06 17:58:30 UTC

rights by nature cannot be granted, only denied

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2017-11-06 17:58:43 UTC

Wa.. ?

2017-11-06 17:58:50 UTC

Yeah, we base our idea of Liberty off of John Locke, the government is there to protect your rights, but it is not the authority which grants them. They are inalienable.

2017-11-06 17:58:59 UTC

So you believe you have a right to kill people but the government is denying it you?

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2017-11-06 17:59:17 UTC

"certain" unalienable rights

2017-11-06 17:59:30 UTC

I have the right to kill someone invading my home, absolutely.

2017-11-06 17:59:33 UTC

How do you get to these righs?

2017-11-06 17:59:43 UTC

What is a right?

2017-11-06 17:59:48 UTC

It's almost like there's someone enforcing laws.

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2017-11-06 17:59:57 UTC

one second im in a phone call

2017-11-06 17:59:59 UTC

btw, in the case of that story you posted, it appears that he was done on a technicality

2017-11-06 18:00:09 UTC

he did not have the correct licencing for that weapon

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2017-11-06 18:00:13 UTC

therefore its murder

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2017-11-06 18:00:32 UTC

Get your hunting license boys.

2017-11-06 18:00:35 UTC

The rights are inalienable, thats the point

2017-11-06 18:00:36 UTC

didn't have the correct licenicing?

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2017-11-06 18:00:40 UTC

That is fucked up

2017-11-06 18:00:47 UTC

it is and it isnt

2017-11-06 18:00:50 UTC

the government only exists to protect them

2017-11-06 18:00:52 UTC

Are those rihgts in your genes?

2017-11-06 18:00:55 UTC

unlike the US, we dont generally have guns

2017-11-06 18:00:55 UTC

So it would have been alright to have killed the burglars with a properly licensed firearm?

2017-11-06 18:00:57 UTC

we can have guns

2017-11-06 18:01:07 UTC

but we need adequate training etc etc on them

2017-11-06 18:01:19 UTC

the licence is basically proof you had the correct training

2017-11-06 18:01:21 UTC

No, those are your rights on the bases that you exist and deserve self determination.

2017-11-06 18:01:37 UTC

@Vertig0ne where?

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2017-11-06 18:01:45 UTC

Hunting lodges usually.

2017-11-06 18:01:47 UTC

oh lmao

2017-11-06 18:02:05 UTC

Uk law is too draconian even for me

2017-11-06 18:02:05 UTC

no, but if theres one thing we brits are, its a stickler for the rules

2017-11-06 18:02:07 UTC

holy shit this is still going on

2017-11-06 18:02:24 UTC

They arest people for tweets

2017-11-06 18:02:33 UTC

Isn't that Germany?

2017-11-06 18:02:39 UTC

it has happened here

2017-11-06 18:02:43 UTC

Nah fam the UK too

2017-11-06 18:02:45 UTC

it was kinda funny

2017-11-06 18:02:52 UTC

well sheeeeeeeeet

2017-11-06 18:02:57 UTC

UK arrests people if their dogs don't like jews.

2017-11-06 18:03:00 UTC

backing up for a minute... no, murder isnt a right because youre violating the rights of another

2017-11-06 18:03:08 UTC

thats a little extreme

2017-11-06 18:03:27 UTC

UK doesn't have freedom like US

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2017-11-06 18:03:34 UTC

rights 1. cannot violate the rights of other people and 2. exist in a vacuum exterior to the intervention of others i.e. medical care

2017-11-06 18:03:38 UTC

There is a difference between murder and self-defense.

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2017-11-06 18:03:48 UTC

its called a 2nd shot

2017-11-06 18:03:56 UTC

They both leave a dead person

2017-11-06 18:04:14 UTC

From what I understood, the guy got arrested because he chased after the burglars after they were running away. Excessive force.

2017-11-06 18:04:15 UTC

self defense is legal because you have a right to self-preservation

2017-11-06 18:04:20 UTC

Only a moron would fire once at an assailant

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2017-11-06 18:04:31 UTC

in the US this is part of the second amendment and stand your ground laws

2017-11-06 18:04:52 UTC

although don't get me wrong, there is far more to 2A than self defense

2017-11-06 18:05:04 UTC

I'm pretty sure you can't run after the burglars and keep shooting at them, after they're retreating.

2017-11-06 18:05:09 UTC

the way its looked at here in general (in the uk, incase you didnt notice)

2017-11-06 18:05:14 UTC

by the time the police show up, you're already dead, if you even were able to call them.

2017-11-06 18:05:15 UTC

is its based on a sitation

2017-11-06 18:05:20 UTC

like. if a burgular came in

2017-11-06 18:05:26 UTC

thats because the UK is a nanny state

2017-11-06 18:05:30 UTC

you have no rights

2017-11-06 18:05:34 UTC

and you grabbed a fireplace ornament and whacked him over the head

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2017-11-06 18:05:40 UTC

killing him

2017-11-06 18:05:42 UTC

obviously not run after them, thats why its a stand your ground.

2017-11-06 18:05:45 UTC

what little the government lets you do is backed up by nothing at all

2017-11-06 18:05:46 UTC

Oh God Dammit are we back on the rights thing again?

2017-11-06 18:05:46 UTC

"oh well, shit happens"

2017-11-06 18:05:53 UTC

its the 2nd hit that will get you

2017-11-06 18:06:04 UTC

In Germany there's no "excessive force" until the threat ends.

2017-11-06 18:06:14 UTC

Also, it's called Castle doctrine

2017-11-06 18:06:17 UTC

if the UK government wanted to simply ignore all your rights and set up a police state there is nothing you could do to stop it

2017-11-06 18:06:21 UTC

Or something like that, Joerg from the Slingshot Channel said it.

2017-11-06 18:06:37 UTC

@radeon there is, but thats kind of out of the subject

2017-11-06 18:06:45 UTC

such as?

2017-11-06 18:07:01 UTC

I have the legal right to defend myself and my property

2017-11-06 18:07:04 UTC

what are you gonna do, report the police to the police? write a strongly worded letter to your MP?

2017-11-06 18:07:05 UTC

The US has also done draconian steps toward it, remember the PATRIOT act?

2017-11-06 18:07:15 UTC

Complain to the US lol

2017-11-06 18:07:21 UTC

"free man of the land"

2017-11-06 18:07:26 UTC

the patriot act is indefensible yea

2017-11-06 18:07:27 UTC

yeah, I fucking hate that shit, and want it gone

2017-11-06 18:07:30 UTC

the US isnt perfect

2017-11-06 18:07:58 UTC

The patriot act is defensible

2017-11-06 18:08:01 UTC

Overly broad maybe

2017-11-06 18:08:03 UTC

Yet people gave these rights up with enthusiasm

2017-11-06 18:08:12 UTC

We didn't approve of the Patriot act.

2017-11-06 18:08:31 UTC

no, we have been trying to get rid of it since it was put in place

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