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2017-11-06 00:56:46 UTC

The majority of crazy men come from the majority racial population? Really makes you thunk

2017-11-06 00:56:59 UTC


2017-11-06 00:57:42 UTC

The funny thing is they give you enough statistics to show that whites commit less than their share of population

2017-11-06 00:58:13 UTC

But they cut the population # in half bc "white men"

2017-11-06 00:59:13 UTC

The most retarded/dishonest manipulation of statistics I've seen

2017-11-06 01:09:26 UTC

The fact that his skin color is in the headline, is shitty enough

2017-11-06 01:09:56 UTC

Plus, get ready for the "white men is the devil" articles

2017-11-06 01:10:20 UTC

We already got a fire hose on that

2017-11-06 01:14:13 UTC

I want to collect some of that shit for a meta-news type project that shows the narratives of media over time

2017-11-06 01:14:31 UTC

It would be a good idea

2017-11-06 01:14:32 UTC

Historians can look back and say "oh that's why there was a civil war"

2017-11-06 01:15:32 UTC

Also, would be better if you did that with politicians, since usa have a 2 party system would be interesting to see their narrative throughout the years

2017-11-06 01:16:42 UTC

Public statements could be cataloged but they are more difficult to deconstruct many times

2017-11-06 01:16:59 UTC

It ok to demonize white men in the news.

2017-11-06 01:17:08 UTC

With inverted pyramid stories, the theses are very explicitly laid out

2017-11-06 01:17:20 UTC

It's more than okay

2017-11-06 01:17:20 UTC

Weren't the Dems the more pro-segregation party decades back or was that just a meme people made up?

2017-11-06 01:17:27 UTC

It's your journalistic duty

2017-11-06 01:17:31 UTC

That's why I'm saying it

2017-11-06 01:18:04 UTC

People paint the party thing both ways

2017-11-06 01:49:27 UTC

I can't think of this shit culminating in any way other than banning white males

2017-11-06 01:53:58 UTC

From what?

2017-11-06 01:58:16 UTC


2017-11-06 02:01:15 UTC

I think that would be far enough to make the racism apparent

2017-11-06 02:01:25 UTC

I guess it could be done by degrees

2017-11-06 02:01:41 UTC

Probably more advantageous to keep them as second-class members

2017-11-06 09:41:07 UTC

@OppoQuinn the Democratic Party of the south. Yes. The Republican Party used to be the northern progressive one.

2017-11-06 09:43:02 UTC

morning ya'll

2017-11-06 10:48:08 UTC

This lady can't deal with the fact that she's a commie



2017-11-06 14:53:33 UTC


Best bit is she is scared of the rise of HITLER

but if HITLER called this rally she would attend

well shit πŸ€”

2017-11-06 14:55:12 UTC

the new deal was pure shit

We need deals that a benefitial to everyone folks!

2017-11-06 15:01:51 UTC

Those antifa Japanese internment camps eh?

2017-11-06 15:02:56 UTC

The confiscation of gold

2017-11-06 15:46:04 UTC

American HEROπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

2017-11-06 15:49:37 UTC

Good guy with a gun

2017-11-06 16:05:46 UTC


2017-11-06 16:25:07 UTC

dat neck tattoo doe

2017-11-06 16:25:13 UTC

didn't notice it till I clicked through

2017-11-06 16:25:42 UTC


2017-11-06 16:26:07 UTC



2017-11-06 16:26:30 UTC

Good ole Boy

2017-11-06 16:26:46 UTC


2017-11-06 16:38:33 UTC

"quick, somebody get a doct- oh."

2017-11-06 16:40:24 UTC


Well, um, good to see they give a damn about 'muh freeze speach' now

2017-11-06 16:42:38 UTC

Yay identity politics

2017-11-06 16:45:29 UTC

goddamn uncle tom latinos supporting Trump who HATES MEXICANNNNNNNNNNS HNNNNNNNNNG

2017-11-06 16:50:10 UTC

"terrorism doesn't need to have a political agenda"

2017-11-06 16:50:10 UTC


2017-11-06 16:52:56 UTC

"You're not smarter than a dictionary"

2017-11-06 16:52:59 UTC

"Yes I am"

2017-11-06 16:53:45 UTC

wew lad

2017-11-06 16:54:13 UTC


2017-11-06 16:55:45 UTC

Mirriam-Webster? **not woke enoughο»Ώ**

2017-11-06 16:57:33 UTC

Mirriam I sleep

2017-11-06 16:57:53 UTC

Urban Dictionary i wake

2017-11-06 16:58:07 UTC

What some dud on tumbler says I WOKE

2017-11-06 16:58:25 UTC

"Feminism isn't about the equality of sexes"

2017-11-06 17:00:14 UTC

American gun culture is unhindet

2017-11-06 17:00:26 UTC

i love muh gunz

2017-11-06 17:00:27 UTC

is what?

2017-11-06 17:00:29 UTC

muh freedom

2017-11-06 17:00:35 UTC

and muh constitution

2017-11-06 17:01:17 UTC

@franti what is unhindet

2017-11-06 17:01:53 UTC

unhinged sorry typo

2017-11-06 17:01:57 UTC

also that shop looks really bad security-wise

2017-11-06 17:01:59 UTC

lol how?

2017-11-06 17:02:41 UTC

to be perfectly fair if you are not an american or you've never been to america you've got literally no idea how our gun culture works

2017-11-06 17:03:13 UTC

and its not that outside observers can't be accurate its that you will never ever ever see a fair portrayal of american gun culture anywhere outside of the US

2017-11-06 17:03:47 UTC

Dude there is a gun culture problem in the US

2017-11-06 17:03:51 UTC

i mean even in the US the myth that we don't do background checks is still common

2017-11-06 17:04:04 UTC

99% of everything you are told about us is a lie

2017-11-06 17:04:16 UTC

I live in gun centric america

2017-11-06 17:04:19 UTC

show me the problem

2017-11-06 17:04:37 UTC

There is a crime problem in America

2017-11-06 17:04:45 UTC

is probally more accurate

2017-11-06 17:04:54 UTC

first define what "gun culture" even is

2017-11-06 17:05:08 UTC

a "newsworthy" crime problem

2017-11-06 17:05:10 UTC

Its like when people say rape culture

2017-11-06 17:05:19 UTC

its not like gun owners live in camps like lepers on the outskirts of town we're regular people everywhere

2017-11-06 17:05:42 UTC

a subset of the larger population not exterior to it

2017-11-06 17:06:09 UTC

Then why do you have all those school and church shootings?

2017-11-06 17:06:27 UTC

several reasons

2017-11-06 17:06:40 UTC

the biggest factor is the fucking media

2017-11-06 17:06:41 UTC

You should really be asking why there's so much violent knife crime

2017-11-06 17:06:56 UTC

Seeing as it's waaaaay higher

2017-11-06 17:07:22 UTC

Mass knifing?

2017-11-06 17:07:23 UTC

think about it, if youre a lonely deranged asshole the quickest, easiest way to get your face plastered onto every TV in america for a week straight is to shoot up someplace

2017-11-06 17:07:29 UTC

You are saying gun = knife?

2017-11-06 17:07:35 UTC

both are weapons

2017-11-06 17:07:38 UTC

One's a tool.

2017-11-06 17:07:52 UTC

Both are tools

2017-11-06 17:08:02 UTC

A gun is not a tool. It has one purpose.

2017-11-06 17:08:09 UTC

That's the difference between gun owners and non owners

2017-11-06 17:08:19 UTC

its purpose is decided by the person using it.

2017-11-06 17:08:26 UTC

a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function

2017-11-06 17:08:28 UTC


2017-11-06 17:09:05 UTC

to think that the manufacturers intended purpose is in any way relevant is ridiculous

2017-11-06 17:09:52 UTC

A hammer is as much a tool or weapon as a gun

2017-11-06 17:10:10 UTC

Or even...A sickle

2017-11-06 17:10:10 UTC

So in what way can you use a gun then?

2017-11-06 17:10:35 UTC

how about recreational shooting since thats 99% of the ammunition expended in the US

2017-11-06 17:10:55 UTC

Currently there is an epidemic of wild pigs in the central US

2017-11-06 17:10:59 UTC

why do effectively nonlethal calibers like .22LR wildly outsell large bore calibers?

2017-11-06 17:11:19 UTC

Because squirrels ruin our birdfeeders

2017-11-06 17:11:23 UTC

most people own guns exclusively for recreation

2017-11-06 17:11:31 UTC

So you're undermining your own point by making a different statement.

2017-11-06 17:11:37 UTC

or hunting, or defense

2017-11-06 17:11:47 UTC

Hunting and defense are both using the gun for killing.

2017-11-06 17:11:56 UTC

Gheto safaris?

2017-11-06 17:12:07 UTC

yes but thats like saying we should ban fire extinguishers to prevent fires.

2017-11-06 17:12:15 UTC

No, it's not. Not even close.

2017-11-06 17:12:28 UTC

Why is having a gun for home defense a bad thing then?

2017-11-06 17:12:38 UTC

I never made that statement.

2017-11-06 17:13:11 UTC

Having a gun or having an arsenal

2017-11-06 17:13:14 UTC

your argument hinges on guns being used "for killing" and that somehow justifies banning them despiute the non sequitur

2017-11-06 17:13:21 UTC

I never made that statement either.

2017-11-06 17:13:23 UTC

the number of guns is literally irrelevant

2017-11-06 17:13:49 UTC

if you're safe and responsibe with one gun you will continue being safe and responsible with a stockpile of them

2017-11-06 17:14:11 UTC

It makes theft easier

2017-11-06 17:14:16 UTC

lol how?

2017-11-06 17:14:36 UTC

Need to commit only one burglary

2017-11-06 17:14:40 UTC

do gunsafes not exist in your country? I can buy them at fucking costco.

2017-11-06 17:14:43 UTC

You made the, apologise the rudeness, but. Retarded statement that a gun can be used as a tool. Which it cannot.
Comparing them to knives, which are tools. Is not the same comparison.
If you're comparing them to swords? Sure. Then we can compare it.

2017-11-06 17:15:05 UTC

I never made any statement on whether guns should be banned or not.

2017-11-06 17:15:10 UTC

if I use a shotgun with blanks to run a boat-to-boat line charge is it still a weapon?

2017-11-06 17:15:11 UTC

Break ins occur far less frequently in areas where more people illegally own guns

2017-11-06 17:15:23 UTC

Am I seeing an underlying "NAP of animals" thing in play here?

2017-11-06 17:15:25 UTC

You just made that implication because you're trying to defend guns using retarded logic that you cannot see your own faulty arguements.

2017-11-06 17:15:51 UTC

In the medieval era, was a sword a weapon exclusively?

2017-11-06 17:15:52 UTC

whether or not guns are weapons - btw legally, anything used to assault someone is a weapon - isn't important

2017-11-06 17:15:54 UTC

You could make the argument that a gun is tool for killing

2017-11-06 17:16:05 UTC

Yes it was Jek. A knife wasn't. A sword was.

2017-11-06 17:16:05 UTC

even so, what is your point?

2017-11-06 17:16:17 UTC

Did people not use the blade to cut things in the field?

2017-11-06 17:16:25 UTC

at which point does a bladed weapon stop being a weapon then?

2017-11-06 17:16:37 UTC

Different countries have different laws on this.

2017-11-06 17:16:37 UTC

what is the distinction?

2017-11-06 17:16:42 UTC

12 cm

2017-11-06 17:16:45 UTC

Length of blade, concealment, etc.

2017-11-06 17:16:46 UTC

In mine

2017-11-06 17:16:47 UTC

no you've already ignored the laws

2017-11-06 17:17:05 UTC

im talking logically

2017-11-06 17:17:28 UTC

im not interested in whatever obligatory number the bureaucrats have decided to set

2017-11-06 17:17:28 UTC

You haven't lived in the American West, so I can understand why you wouldn't acknowledge that a gun can be a tool

2017-11-06 17:17:38 UTC

It varies. There's no one answer.
But you can compare all the numbers and use the common denominator if you want.

2017-11-06 17:17:40 UTC

It's about perception

2017-11-06 17:18:08 UTC

lmao so we should just average up all the EU's draconian knife laws for the one true answer? what a laugh.

2017-11-06 17:18:32 UTC

In America, to legal gun owners, a gun is at the same time a weapon, a tool, and a recreational implement.

2017-11-06 17:18:49 UTC

heres a super easy fix: stop treating people like they don't have individual agency.

2017-11-06 17:18:55 UTC

In Switzerland it's legal to own guns.
Guns are not considered tools.

2017-11-06 17:19:08 UTC

I literally dont care what switzerland does

2017-11-06 17:19:34 UTC

i think you've just invented argumentum ad europa

2017-11-06 17:19:54 UTC

I mean we're statistically more civilised.

2017-11-06 17:20:00 UTC


2017-11-06 17:20:01 UTC

lmao sure my dude

2017-11-06 17:20:20 UTC

That was uncalled for

2017-11-06 17:20:46 UTC

i couldnt resist

2017-11-06 17:20:52 UTC


2017-11-06 17:20:54 UTC

a cave-dwelling american troglodyte like myself cannot possibly comprehend the technological and societal bliss that is europe

2017-11-06 17:21:08 UTC

and their Muslim no go zones

2017-11-06 17:21:15 UTC

And rape gangs

2017-11-06 17:21:20 UTC

Either way, Jek. No one is trying to tell you you shouldn't have guns.
But for the love of sense. Stop trying to defend "A gun is a tool"

2017-11-06 17:21:24 UTC

Because that's literally retarded.

2017-11-06 17:21:28 UTC

A gun is a tool

2017-11-06 17:21:31 UTC


2017-11-06 17:21:31 UTC


2017-11-06 17:21:53 UTC

A gun is a tool

2017-11-06 17:22:05 UTC

like literally lets define what a weapon is

2017-11-06 17:22:19 UTC

My fridge is fully stocked with deer meat that I hunted.

I used the gun as a tool to feed my family

2017-11-06 17:22:28 UTC

a weapon is any implement used to assault a person or animal, can we agree to that definition?

2017-11-06 17:22:58 UTC

a rubber mallet is absolutely a weapon if you start attacking people with it, you can't logically deny that

2017-11-06 17:23:10 UTC

nothing is intrinsicly assaulting people

2017-11-06 17:23:16 UTC

It can be used *as* a weapon. But it isn't inherently a weapon.

2017-11-06 17:23:20 UTC


2017-11-06 17:23:28 UTC

now we've come to some clarity

2017-11-06 17:23:39 UTC

As if that somehow proves your point, but go on.

2017-11-06 17:23:43 UTC

nothing is a weapon by default, it can only be *used* as a weapon

2017-11-06 17:24:07 UTC

Things made for killing are weapons by default.

2017-11-06 17:24:24 UTC

I have a czech military surplus rifle easily capable of downing 20 men, but the most fearsome thing i've ever shot with it is a pumpkin

2017-11-06 17:24:30 UTC

it is not a weapon

2017-11-06 17:24:34 UTC

Is a shotgun that fires bean bags a weapon?

2017-11-06 17:24:38 UTC

not in the strictest sense

2017-11-06 17:25:07 UTC

You're trying to argue that because you don't use your sword to cut down people it was never made for cutting down people to begin with.

2017-11-06 17:25:12 UTC

the point is that there is no logical distinction between weapon and non-weapon

2017-11-06 17:25:18 UTC

There is.

2017-11-06 17:25:27 UTC

What about an ornamental sword?

2017-11-06 17:25:36 UTC

It's not made for usage at all

2017-11-06 17:26:12 UTC

Most kitchen knives are made to cut meat but not necessarily cleave through a man.
A cleaver is made to cleave the bone in meat on a table but it's horrible to try to cleave down an actual person. For that you have *larger* and generally sharper *weapons* made.

2017-11-06 17:26:21 UTC

so if I kill somebody with, say, a benchrest gun, its a rifle that is used exclusively for high-accuracy target shooting and can't even be weilded as its literally bolted to a table, is it not a weapon?

2017-11-06 17:26:24 UTC

Also generally known as. Here it comes. Swords.

2017-11-06 17:26:28 UTC

Swords are weapons.

2017-11-06 17:26:39 UTC

Guns are made for killing, they're inherently weapons.

2017-11-06 17:26:42 UTC


2017-11-06 17:26:49 UTC

that statement is factually untrue

2017-11-06 17:27:08 UTC

I can name you several dozen guns clearly not designed for lethal use

2017-11-06 17:27:10 UTC

What about a target pistol made specifically for competitive shooting?

2017-11-06 17:27:26 UTC

Literally designed from the blueprint to be used in competition

2017-11-06 17:27:43 UTC

Using an unicorn to disprove a trend

2017-11-06 17:28:08 UTC

flare pistols, line guns, bench rifles, etc etc etc

2017-11-06 17:28:29 UTC

Are those the majority of guns?

2017-11-06 17:28:54 UTC

They're a subset, and certainly not one-off

2017-11-06 17:28:56 UTC

no, but nevertheless they are guns which are not weapons

2017-11-06 17:28:59 UTC

And flare pistolf have a designated use

2017-11-06 17:29:09 UTC

But you said pistol

2017-11-06 17:29:12 UTC

lol actually no

2017-11-06 17:29:14 UTC

Which is a gun

2017-11-06 17:29:23 UTC

i have a 37mm flaregun I use an adapter for to shoot shotgun shells

2017-11-06 17:29:28 UTC

intended use be damned

2017-11-06 17:29:30 UTC

Oh snap

2017-11-06 17:29:45 UTC

You're literally not helping your cause here mate.

2017-11-06 17:30:06 UTC

Your logic is so far out of the window it's not even funny.

2017-11-06 17:30:20 UTC

What about potato guns?

2017-11-06 17:30:37 UTC

my point is that even if you make the absurd statement that guns can even be intrinsicly weapons, that not all guns *are* weapons, but even those can be used outside of their intended purpose

2017-11-06 17:30:38 UTC

Made out of pvc and compressed air

2017-11-06 17:30:54 UTC

UK banned katanas, right? That sure stopped the increase of criminal samurais.

2017-11-06 17:30:59 UTC

If this is still going on after my midterm I will gladly jump in.

2017-11-06 17:30:59 UTC

its because intended purpose is completely meaningless

2017-11-06 17:31:00 UTC

Should pvc pipe be regulated?

2017-11-06 17:31:25 UTC

Also air?

2017-11-06 17:31:39 UTC

i guarantee you that if there were a potato gun attack in the UK they would start doing ID checks for hairspray and piping.

2017-11-06 17:31:57 UTC

And regulate the sale of potatoes.

2017-11-06 17:32:09 UTC

You have carry your ID always so that is a moot point

2017-11-06 17:32:17 UTC

"Sir, are you licensed to buy those vegetables?

2017-11-06 17:32:34 UTC

because they're a bunch of eurotrash draconian busybodies who think they can ban everything they don't like out of existence

2017-11-06 17:32:40 UTC

And you can make bombs from fertilizers

2017-11-06 17:32:56 UTC

i love how you're literally defending random ID checks

2017-11-06 17:32:57 UTC

nah I think it's just a difference of perception

2017-11-06 17:33:33 UTC

I can't wait for the EU police of vice and virtue checking ID's at checkpoints and confiscating potatoes

2017-11-06 17:33:44 UTC

Random ID checks. What is wnong with them?

2017-11-06 17:33:59 UTC

does the word Gestapo have a meaning to you?

2017-11-06 17:34:07 UTC

Just to jump in quickly before my midterm, all weapons were designed as tools first. Spears were used to hunt by early humans, became used for war because it's a convent second use.

2017-11-06 17:34:30 UTC

Does the word hyperbole have a meaning to you?

2017-11-06 17:34:52 UTC

i gtg

2017-11-06 17:34:55 UTC

ya'll are being weaponist right now

2017-11-06 17:34:58 UTC


2017-11-06 17:35:03 UTC

man europe really is going down the shitter if this is the line of thought

2017-11-06 17:35:05 UTC

Yeah Radeon you might be jumping the shark a bit

2017-11-06 17:35:21 UTC

I obviously wasn't being serious

2017-11-06 17:35:25 UTC

the phrase euro-cucked exists for a reason

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