you obviously haven't gone to church

so morality has changed?

Why do you think you believe we are better today than back then?

because we have changed our attitudes and laws

but @Fitzydog , le noble savage

Evolving =/= Changing

No, not that

You know we are better today than back then, because we are closer to the moral standard that we consider to be 'superior'

Thus, there's a morally superior position

Although, the last 90 years has been a reversal imo

Isn't that they key term **that we consider**

You mean all society? The agreed upon superior position?

Why do third world countries aspire to be like us?

I have the perfect example on why the EU centralisation don't work. They did make new directive for snow removal, it says that no snow removal vehicle cant drive faster the 40kmh, that works fine where it snows ones per 10 year. but as Norway is part of the EEA deal we are forced to follow it as well and the end result was that several villages are getting isolated from roads closing as the new snow removal rules don't allow for effective snow removal any more

What about other cultures such as the Japanese or Korean? They believe that they have achieved the closest to their superior morals

I would agree with them

So far, they're on track for the best

japan have so little crime you don't need to lock you bike

so then there isn't a universal morality, just different ones interpreted differently by each culture

Are you just ignoring what I'm saying?

And they are right. They have achieved it. Why do you think they have low crimes and are super against illegal immigration?

You would love to live under Japan's society

You're saying that there is the one objective universal superior morality which we all aspire to reach

Yes

Yes ofc

Which I disagree with

Freedom and fairness for all

Wouldn't you love to live in Japan?

I don't have much to say on living in Japan

Oh come on

they don't want the soy

Safety, societal trust, equality

shit like this is why japan is refusing taking in refugees
https://fenixx.org/2017/05/14/japan-only-admits-27-muslim-refugees-two-already-arrested-for-gang-rape/

Japan isn't a county of equality, it's a country that offers all equal starting positions, whether you reach them isn't up to the state rather up to yourself. Japan is also a country notorious for having different cultural norms to those of the west, where we favour more family they favour more work and social standing.

Yeah, that's equality

They don't like Equality of Outcome for a reason lol

the term equality which people, often on the far left, tend to fling around revolves more on equality of outcome, not of start

No, that's equity

Which is immoral

Equality is also largely present in western culture, however not to the level of which Japan is at

It should be more present lol

That's not even the topic of discussion

Hell, even the basis behind progressive politics implies theres a universal ethic, else what else would you be aspiring towards?

Closing the gaps between private and public schooling

we have almost perfect equality between genders in Norway and we did see something funny happen. both sexes did choose jobs that was extremely gender stereotypes like females becoming nurses and men mechanics

How unexpected

Wow nature does the work itself...

Wth does private schooling have to do with this?

equality

Same starting chances for people

http://nordicparadox.se/

Are you saying there wasn't 50/50 representation on all professions?

You cannot possibly say that someone who attends a public school and a private one are at the same playing field

That's not equality, that's centralized authority impsoing equity

Must have been internalised misogyny

you will never get that. as even your teacher can make a huge difference on the outcome

Equality under the law is all that matters

That is why we need a school voucher system

not equity, equality. Why someone who cannot afford to go to private, has to be stuck in an underfunded and overcrowded public school which will close options only available to private schools. Whatever the student does is up to them, but at least have them have equal starting chances

This proves my point that Europeans don't know how to Liberalize

That's because Europeans aren't liberal

They're bismarkian statists

if you think your schools is overcrowded now why you want a billion new kids from Africa in to them as well?

I never once said I favoured illegal immigration, don't know where you're getting this from

No, they want your oil money @Nordhand

And I quote, "fuck walls"

Walls don't work

yes

doesn't mean I want illegals

Walls work. They slow people down

Fucking tard

fuck off. they are already getting to much of it as it is. they can make their own money if they want to waste it on stupid shit

I guess the military doesn't need Hesco barriers anymore @galesteppes

Walls are effective but not on their own.

wAlLs dOnT wOrK

Bombs don't kill everyone, should we get rid of those as well?

I will call the Norwegian military so we can dismantle the NATO border walls between Norway and Russia then

I guess

if it's not 100% effective, we need to yeet that shit

But I guess it's easy to say walls don't work when your country would be 2000km from the front lines @Nordhand

I'm guessing so. not like the Russian have been close to invade Norway in the past. like when they did put northern soviet army at the border guns pointing at the guards only tanks only meters from the border line

Walls don't work, they simply postpone the problem. Say you build a wall, yes, in the first years illegal crossing will radically drop. But people aren't stupid, if there's money to be made people will find a way. Immigrants will begin to use alternatives, go by sea, under the wall, over the wall (either jumping it, or simply by flying in). Remember that more than half of illegal immigration is overstayed visas.... Walls don't work, they're a temporary solution to a long term/permanent problem

Yeah, the other half is agents

and cameras

and bullets

When the criminals adapt the good guys also adapt so what's your point?

walls is to buy time between detection and interception

@Nordhand THISSSAS

@Nordhand same thing with mine fields

So your solution is to build a massive dome over the US and underground eventually

The thing is not everyone is going to want to go the extra mile to bypass a wall. Adding extra barriers will increase the incentive *not* to come

Should companies stop making anti viruses just because criminals keep making better and more efficient malwares?

I guess this guy never landed at a US airport

"But it doesn't work 100% therefore we shouldn't do it"

welfare is garbage

yea even a simple chain link fence helps alot in a lot of places

It's a fight that never ends. Not building a wall is admission of defeat.

yeet that then

Literally ask a border agent @Capitán Alatriste

Ask them

"Does a border wall work?"

@Nordhand A fence is fine, and the US border has several stretches of fence

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-hungary-fence/hungary-builds-new-high-tech-border-fence-with-few-migrants-in-sight-idUSKBN1692MH

A fence is fine, but not a bigger fence

even the EU have it border walls

The EU doesn't have border walls

Wut

There's a picture of one right there

That's a fence

.....

Are your fences that tall?

Damn

Who fucking cares what it's called @Capitán Alatriste

we can always call Israel they are masters of making fucking big walls to keep people in check

Is our proposed border barrier a fence or wall? @Capitán Alatriste

as they did just start building a wall so bad ass it makes trumps wall look like a picket fences

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-starts-building-massive-fence-gaza-border-60815285

A fence can easily be placed and removed they aren't permanent as a wall. A wall is a testimony of last resort cutting of all other solutions. It's giving into the temptation of the easy way out. A fence is see through, so it's not a hostile action, it represents a semi permeable barrier where the intent is to make it clear that there is a line on the ground

@Fitzydog Your proposed barrier is a wall

Oy vey

@Capitán Alatriste The steel posts in the ground?

20 feet tall steel barrier against it southern border

my propsosed barrier is a wall of bullets and artillery barrages

Temporary Steel

Gib picture of border wall @galesteppes

@Fitzydog the steel posts is just an even stupider cross of a wall and a fence

A fence is fine, just like there already is

@Fitzydog

A fence is just a shitty wall though

I can't wait to see your ass triying to cross our border when your continent collapses. @Capitán Alatriste

you'd like that

the steel system is fine as it stops most of the attack you can easy do to a chain link fence

but I doubt it

@Fitzydog I'd shoot his boat <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

I'd shoot his coyote

Leave him in the desert

I propose we put Obama back in charge of immigration as that was one of the few things he was good at 😛

get the deporter in chief back to work

this will be brushed of by the MSM

or by the spainard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkY-6vzjdsI

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tldw?

Diverse cities with constitutional carry have higher rates of homicide than other cities

imagine my shock

Little Rock and Boise have similar gun laws, yet the homicide rate is 6 times higher in LR

Becase 50/50 black/white

More diversity = more gangs

Yet, if that were true, why are there still gangs in Detroit?

depends on what you mean by diversity <:makes_you_think:382980749780844554>

I mean actual diversity

If diversity means more gangs, then Detroit should have less gangs because it is almost mono racial at this point

i'm saying i dont buy the diversity argument

how many white gangs are there really?

i dont know of that many

blacks and mexicans are more likely to do gang shit

Yes, that's my point

The numbers all point in that direction

that's why i said it depends on what you mean by diversity

as in diversity equals minorities

What I meant was, if you looked at JUST the states with constitutional carry laws, and compared them on homicide rates correlated with ethnic diversity, you would see a correlation between monoethnic cities and lower homicide.

But if that were a true statement, then that would be applicable to let's say Detroit where there is a monoethnic population for Blacks. i.e. NO diversity

But that's not the case

because blacks do the most crime

Yes, the numbers seem to indicate that, regardless of diverse urban populations

especially gun homicides

Which is a big <:oof:494878589406150657>

blacks are really hostile

round up the darkies?

Did Spaniard actually claim that walls are a hostile action?

yes

Yes

That is where we got the name for the word defense.

He also said it was crazy to think of shooting invaders

did you know he has a summer home?

It by definition cannot be hostile. Even if you setup MG nests along it, that is still a static, defensive emplacement.

Europeans don't understand the concept of private property

i just think he is out of touch

You cannot possibly be that removed from humanity

That's Bismarkian philosophy for you

I fail to see in what world their ideas become acceptable.

If you cannot use barriers as a peaceful solution, then what are you expected to do that isn't 'hostile'?

Nothing

i bet you there will be a lot more gated communities in Europe very soon lol

@EnderOctanus Doing ANYTHING is hostile

Or a lot of dead not poor people

Because those people have a right to "free movement"

No they don't, they have the right to live assuming my bullet misses.

i get where that idea comes from, but it breaks down very quickly

you can't just move into someones area and start benefiting off of what they built

If you are in a dire situation and ask for my help, I am the sort to do what I feasibly can.

most people are like that

maybe not leftists lol

But I am also not going to pretend to trust you. Bad people can need help too.

The entire kernal of their philosophy is centered on grouping people by characteristics

If someone knocks on my door begging for water... I'll tell them to sit in the shade, and I will bring them all the water they want, even do my best to make sure they aren't dying of heat stroke.

Society should be dealt with on the macro scale of social groups

But they don't get to come inside automatically.

Same with pets. I see someone's pet is loose, I do my best to return it to them. And frequently have to do so.

I don't mind helping someone elses' property out if it wasn't necessarily their fault, you know?

I lend tools when hurricanes come through so people can cut the trees and branches and move them, and repair structures etc. ButI expect it to be returned, and it always is.

I feel like this is why europeans also stick with a parliamentary system.

It assumes that there are multiple special interest groups that have a right to be heard by their own party, instead of treating the entire nation or geographic area as a single group

Well they do have that issue, but I dunno if it stems from the style of government or vice versa

No no, I'm saying they both stem from the same mindset

Viewing society as an intersection of groups

I think their societies developed to adapt to the government, self-fulfilling expected issues.

Hm

Well to be fair that is also how republics work

Not exactly

Almost inverted

You have separated groups of power.

Which is a good thing I think

Right, but they're based on geographic area

Imagine if the Va shit was on the national level

These are based on social groups, like Liberals, Conservatives, Greens, Socialists, etc

Almost like syndicalism

Same philosophical kernal

I just like it when people stop actively trying to rip apart the most successful system we've actually gotten to work and not immediately collapse, in human history.

Just because they *think* they can do it even better.

Thats why I like confederacies. It takes what we've done to the next level.

The opposite of what Europe does

those maps of how people vote by race have even very eye opening
i hate to say it, but it shows me that minorities are leeches

@AlanPowell very good meme

I don't know. As much as you can, validly, complain about the centralized function of the Fed, it also has saved our asses on major shit before.

@AlanPowell what about da chinks and the its?

Alan you're walking on a slippery slope man.

idk, maybe.

I feel like we need MANY more people in our legislative bodies.

It should be near impossible to come to an agreement on most things, unless it really is that important

But we have demonstrated that even when they think the world is ending, they still cannot agree.

they still tend to vote democrat for some reason iirc, but they are a small portion of the population @galesteppes

If you're able to easily get a unanimous vote on something, you have too few people

@AlanPowell because they're naturally collectivist

Or you have people that live largely the same way, thus share most philosophies and worldviews.

that could be it

I refuse to agree to that until we have proof

although, it's easier to teach a collectivist to be an individualist than it is trying to teach monkies(niggers) how to behave

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I disagree, look how many who educate themselves get rich.

They just distance the culture from themselves and viola

I have many black friends.

They all have one thing in common though: They act white.

i feel bad for the blacks, they have been fucked over pretty bad, i dont think they will ever recover tbh

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Yeah it has everything to do with culture.

I also have an asian friend who was adopted by white parents.

That dude's cool af

Works on the railroad, and loves NASCAR

@Fitzydog doesn't help that niggers shame good innoscent childern into being niggers

They won't because they teach themselves that they cannot.

They accept economic government slavery early on.

their culture is so shitty that even trying to change it is considered evil in some way to them