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@Capitรกn Alatriste Do you still think walls are immoral, or ineffective?
@EnderOctanus his county has one of the most fortified borders in the world
Yeah.
He's in no position to object to it
WE MUST TRANSFER NATIONAL SOVERIGNTY TO THE EU!!
lol
Honestly I would be all for the stupid Europeans holding themselves down, if they weren't also so anti-American.
I wouldn't mind glassing Europe tbh
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It is the new Middle East after all <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
#notall
Don't blame us Noodles. Blame your dumb people.
@EnderOctanus Yer not a noodle
Give us time
Could legit fascism be good for Europe?
Alliance with Germany?
They like centralization enough
Who
Wait what?
This is pretty confusing indeed
Wait Salvini wants to ally with the Germans?
Europe doesn't know how to Liberal
@EnderOctanus Salvini wants to take over the EU
@Fitzydog history should show you they don't do well even under dictatorship
The Germans want to take over the world for themselves.
Why would they work with Salvini?
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I'm pretty sure salvy wants to take over and yeet the Germans
Broo was saying sometimes like that
Then why would he try to get the Germans on his side if he thinks they're the problem?
What am I misunderstanding?
I don't know, that wasn't the article I meant to send
incidentally, Mo Ansar is being disrespectful when he keeps saying "put a lid on it" - it's not a friendly term
@EnderOctanus I do think that walls are immoral and infeffective
oof
Someone's a brainwashed cuck
nice way to make sure you don't have an argument is to just sling insults ๐
Magnets!
The point of a wall is to make it obvious when someone is getting over and give enough time for someone to respond.
Does it do that?
It doesn't make it more obvious when walls are being climbed
Yeah, it does retard
Precisely when people climb them they try not to be seen or heard
Your entire argument is "Walls don't entirely prevent people from getting over and entering a country, so we should abandon the concept altogether, even though the barrier itself assists in border protection forces arriving to the scene in time to apprehend the Intruders"
You are a globalist cuck
well, a wall would do away with the defence of crossing the border by accident
it is symbolic
jesus christ, are the insults really necessary?
Yes, at this point. You've been on this server long enough to know where we stand and to reiterate our arguments faithfully
Yet you think we act in bad faith
Regardless the whole reason why walls don't work, not only because they're terribly expensive, but do little when it comes to solving the problem. The problem is still going to be there, and the wall won't do anything to address the issue
The issue is an international one that is not our problem to address.
You mean a problem with your southern neighbour, not only a close economic but also political ally?
Yep, not my problem. If they collapse into a black hole, it will have very little economic impact on us
Seriously, look it up
They're of little consequence
It kinda does when a large part of your manufactured imports, and exports come and go to said country
Sorry to force myself in here but just wanted to say something. Walls. Do. Work. <:cleanyourroom:429612328192049152>
You mean Central America? Practically none of our trade happens with them
The immigrants aren't from Mexico
Mexico
Mexico just let's them cross their country
Mexico doesn't let them cross their country, they have a tightly controlled southern border
Did they air drop the caravan next to the border...?
that was stormed by the migrants several times by now by attacking the border point by throwing rocks at the guards while pushing the woman and kids in font of them
Yeah, it's controlled NOW
The Caravan itself had many people being arrested and deported though the countires they were travelling, especially in Guatemala. However there were so many of them that they couldn't be all deported and security forces were overrun
So.... a wall would slow them down?
A wall would only force them all to concentrate and make it even harder to stop them all
How would they do that after the wall?
Considering it's gonna stop 70%+ of illegals coming in
> harder to stop them all
nigga wut
Explain
Nobody is making the argument that the Wall is going to STOP THEM ALL
For the most part, walls can be easily climbed over, and the drug cartels have enough tools to provide for crossings in unwatched points. Furthermore, there already are hundreds of tunnels beneath the US border used to smuggle drugs, so People can easily be smuggled below
Hungary did have a 90% drop on illigals when they did put up a normal chain-link fence with barb wire at the top
@Capitรกn Alatriste You realize the new wall also goes down like 6 ft?
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This guy just parrots globalist talking points
6 feet? so like a metre?
2 meters
these tunnels run below tens of metre below the border
No, they dont
not just a couple feet
Yes they do
They're mostly right below ground
Have you not read into El Chapo Guzman's tunnels?
also, that's a minority of border crossings
They literally are impossible to track because they're that deep
and I'm guessing the wall is going to do like the east Germans did do it. a geo microphone to listen after anyone digging underground
So what you're saying is, because theres tunnels, we should abandon walls?
and that tech is so old they did use it in ww1
They are now, but once the border is up, hundreds of new tunnels will be built, because the demand will drive prices so hard upwards, that Cartels would be stupid not to invest in the busniess
Do you have a fence in your backyard?
We have a fence yes
And it's easily climbable
not meant to stop people, but rather for privacy
any locks on your doors?
You can put sensors on the top
yeah, and how will we know whether it's a person or a bird?
@Capitรกn Alatriste Ask any border agent whether walls work at helping to apprehend illegal crossi gs
should we grab the guns every time a bird sits on the sensor?
we have sensor so accurate now that it can see what type of bird it is
Only "illegals" would try to climb ur fence?
"AHA! I found a small issue with your border wall that makes it less of a deterrent than what we all thought it would be! Therefore, you don't need a wall!"
@Fitzydog I'll tell that every time there is a crossing in Melilla or Ceuta, hundreds escape simply because there are thousands of them attempting to cross, and a third of them manage to get through police lines. Those that don't simply try again and again and again until they make it. It's not going to stop them, they have literally nothing to lose by living on the border and every other day trying to get across
@Capitรกn Alatriste Have you tried shooting them?
Well that's just ridiculous
A wall + Shooting them would stop them.
No you are
I want my wall complete with machine gun nests
and that is why trump have now deployed over 8k soldiers at the border now. as he is expecting an army of illigals to invade the US
Shooting people because they're trying to enter the country illegally. You know who else does that? North Korea and China, and they're not the bastions of liberty are they
no one tries to enter NK illegally
so dont brake the law and go back home fix your shit hole
They shoot the ones that try to get out
They shoot anyone crossing the border without permission
Yeah, GETTING OUT
They nearly shot americans and koreans that tried to chop down a tree that was blocking the path on the border
It's a very important distinction, do they want people not to enter or not to leave?
both
shooting them's a waste of bullets, I prefer to put them in a labor camp for 20 years with no chance of appeal
@galesteppesMake them build the wall
same problem with the berlin wall. it was not there to stop people going in to east Germany but escaping it
@Capitรกn Alatriste when are you going to update your pfp with the new flag?
It's extremely hard to get into North Korea unless you are a diplomat, friends of the regime or are on some special scientific trip. Tourism is extremely small and highly controlled. THey don't want people into the country
@Capitรกn Alatriste What would you do if some hobo was sleeping in your fenced off backyard?
They'll shoot you on sight if you attempt to cross the border
I would kick him out
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A wall preventing your own citizens from escaping your tyranny is a lot different from a wall meant to protect your citizens from illegals coming in...
@Fitzydog looks like that fence didn't really help
Build a bigger one and carry a gun
would a wall stop a person with nothing to lose and very determined?
Yes
No
A gun does
Use a gun
And go to prison for murder, yea thanks I'd reserve you that privilege
No matter the determination they have a gun can stop it.
it stopes most people, and the important part it stope the criminals that run the borders back and forward all the time
murder? lol
It's not murder
Shooting a hobo
Shooting a home invader?
Yes
also murder
Shooting a hobo who's invaded your house trying to kill you isn't murder?
Yeah, not murder
It is
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this is why we left europe
this is why I don't feel bad when terror attacks happen in europe
if I get a home invader he is getting 2 barrels of shotgun to the face. it a simple as that
You cucks deserve to die like the sheep you are
Yep
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I'll piss all of your grave
@Nordhand and go to Prison due to Norwegian laws
>norway
>scary prison
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good joke m8
wrong. I have a right to defend my home from invaders
*muh laws*
I do not live in a shithole like EU
I mean I still feel bad for em. There are of people who dont support that shit but still they let them in willingly and certainly made their bed. Now they have to sleep on it.
Thats just extra time to play xbox
@Nordhand You have the right to use lethal force if your life is in danger
Now listen, if Spain wants to take immigrants, who are you to tell them otherwise?
We need some place to dump them anyways
yea, and If you are invading my home I will see that as a life threating event. and the courts agree on it
Export all immigrants to Spain
@Capitรกn Alatriste A country has the right to use lethal force if the lives of its citizens are in danger.
@Ondsinet just send all of your migrants to spain and bill them as reparations for colonization
We already take them we stuff them in Benidorm and Mallorca
@Amir That doesn't imply shooting immigrants on sight
@galesteppes Salvini did block several ships from entering Italy and the went to Spain, where they evicted a bunch of students to make place for the immigrants
Shooting immigrants on sight isn't a policy?
Sargon reported on it and I lolled hard
It's MY policy
Shoot them as they're crossing the border
no shit, they're in mallorca, that's the 17th Bundesland of germany
@Fitzydog Well then, I don't see you at the border with your shotgun mr cowboy
If the wall can't stop em and they're still coming in then yeah...
that's because you're going to gyp him, romani @Capitรกn Alatriste
@Capitรกn Alatriste The private border security forces aren't taking volunteers anymore
spain is what happens when you mix romance and romani
You said you'd do it youself as a personal policy
Yes, it is my policy opinion. If we had a vote on it, which we should, then violent force would be used
There's a difference between principles and morality, and the law
Something you might not understand
and personal responsiblity.....
Laws are made after morals and principles
Sure lol
we have immoral laws. the the third trimester abortion laws that was passed
Laws are not morality
Laws can be immoral
@Nordhand didn't you hear, now they're pushing for the post birth "abortion" ?
Laws are based on the morality and principles of the time, laws which can be changed or amended as times change.
did see that. and the backlash is epic @galesteppes
Morality doesn't change, you relativistic fuck
Why not?
>laws are moral
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sharia law is pretty moral then?
Our morals current are not the same as the morals of the past
You're either a piece of a shit or you're not. Nothing will change that lol
@galesteppes It's moral to them
Yeah, and we're suffering because of it
ah that relatativism
miss me with that shit
pedo defender
Fuck off back to your hellscape
but spain is a hellscape already....
There is no universal morality. Our cultures have different morals, what we see as moral others may see as immoral and viceversa
Yeah, he's going back to it
It's the reason why different cultures have different laws
And that's why you're a cuck
"Others" can fuck off
@Amir tfw the turk is more anti pedo than the yuro
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Who's the turk
@Fitzydog any evidence to prove that I am in fact a cuck? Or is it just a buzzword you use to generalise a group of people just because they have opposing views?
@Amir are you not a turk?
Hecc no I'm not stupid
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I could go into depth about universal ethics and the origin of such going back thousands of years, but I doubt you'd understand
I come from the true superior race
Sure, or are either too lazy to do so
Go back to church.
Le Persians @galesteppes
I'm here, no point not explaining it
EWWWWW
Excuse me
farsi is gayer than kurdistan
you guys are the OG homos
Church... you mean that institution where you are given your religion, and indoctrinated to believe in something that has no evidence of existing simply because you have no way of explaining how things work?
I'm talking real persian not the sort of retards that obey barbaric Islam
>be great and powerful sassanaids
>lose to a bunch of sandniggers who barely learned how to write
Yep, that one which you abandoned in favor of a centralized state to protect you instead
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@galesteppes Yeah my ancestors did a giant OOPSIE I'm aware
Or isn't religion also relative? Do you also believe in stoning people for planting the wrong crops together
>thinking that christains are beholden to the old covanent
No, because of our universal morality which we progressed towards
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