Entire thing has been a fucking debacle

Pretty sure Gold Coast city council has somehow managed to politick their way into laying their own NBN cable (HFC) because of how long NBNCo is taking to do it, and they want it all sorted out before the Commonwealth Games next year

Either way it doesnt concern me. NN is protected in Europe

Are you saying Europe has it's own codified law or..

he means EU, of course

It is codified

it was enacted in 2011 in the EU, like I said earlier

it was enacted in 2011 in the EU, like I said earlier

Just like roaming with mobile?

Yep

That was enacted this year i think

The companies were ripping us off

I'd like to see a copy of it

Now there is a proposal to end geoblocking

Because I wouldn't be surprised if certain exceptions were made

http://berec.europa.eu/eng/news_and_publications/whats_new/3958-launch-of-the-berec-net-neutrality-guidelines

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3am here

so shall read a little later

suffice to say that I am v e r y skeptical of the government riding in on a white horse when it comes to these issues

but I'm willing to give it a fair shake

no problem

I uderstand your position on it

the EU should be burned to the ground at this point, but the legislation they've enacted for consumer protection is stronger than anything in the world

both things can be true at the same time

The best consumer protection we have

2 years waranty

14 days to return anything without reason

well I was mostly talking about data retention policies and net neutrality and privacy issues, so that's my bad with regards to wording

I realise there are better warranties by law in individual countries

There also was the cookie law

that's just hilarious I think :-P I wonder if it has had any actual "good" effects

Mostly annoying

from what I can see, people either don't understand that the "popup/under bar" is not part of the website and just ignore it as screen-spam, or they click "OK" before reading it

I understand it, and I still consider it screen-spam

Cookie law?

You have to give information to the user that you use cookies on your website

Ahh

I was thinking baked goods

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Is there a philosophy channel?

philosophy is for the gays

and pedos

Maybe we need a #thunkery for more serious discussions.

#we-came-we-saw-we-thunk

Philosophy is pseudoscience

wut

We got every science from philosophy

It was the first science we had

Philosophy is how you organize your thoughts and communicate precisely. It might not give you answers, but it'll help you get there.

Skepticism, ethics, logic, it all comes from philosophy.

Nothing about philosophy is scientific

Logic?

I'll just assume you don't know what philosophy is.

Dude, we have every science because of philosophers

The west is built on this

I will both agree and disagree

ALT CENTRIST BITCH

oh shit

Write into youtube how to have

It will give you pedo sugestions

Or maybe you have some nasty history stored on your youtube account.

Fuck, me too.

godammit

You have writen it in?

it completes it with "s*x with your kids"

Yep

You disgusting pedo

how to have s*x with your kids

dafuq is happening?

gay

Also happens in a different browser, not logged in, with no cookies.

Did somebody googlebombed youtube?

Let us check /pol/ and /b/ for clues.

IDK but it is wierd

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/151023666

lmao

I'm looking at the guys tabs

Wikipedia page for "Wild Cabbage"

stardew valley

wait

nvm

I know what philosophy is I'm not saying it's invalid it just isn't scientific

It's speculation

wut

No, philosophy isn't science. It's not non-science either.

It's principles you use to think and communicate. You need them to do science, you need them to reason, to do politics, even to do arts.

Yes, ancient philosophers thought they could figure out nature by just thinking really hard about it.

That part wasn't science.

I can figure out nature by thinking really hard about it.

Yes but the second you start actually forming legitimate hypothesis with fail and success states that follow the scientific method you are no longer doing philosophy

Maybe you're outside of the inane endless struggle of humanity.

Philosophical ideas need not be necessarily unscientific but they are speculation by definition

Logic still came from philosophy.

Ok, but that doesn't mean it's science

Logic isn't science.

But you better derive your scientific conclusions with logic.

Yea

Philosophy was also important in figuring out that seemingly logical constructs can construct absurd inquiries. We call them paradoxes.

In Computer Sciences, this shows up as undecidable problems.

e.g. "I'm lying"

I'm not quite sure how to respond, because it obviously depends on the subject matter and also - whether we like it or not - how you've grown to interpret "paradox", but I've never considered undecidable problems in computing to be paradoxes at all

to me, a paradox is when you start with a reasonable preposition or whatever, and then the conclusion is not what you'd expect

roughly speaking

Undecidable problems are questions that describe problems in a way that make them appear answerable, but they aren't.

oh, then we disagree on what an undecidable problem is

"An algorithm that can check if a program enters an infinite loop or eventually stops."

right

that's not a paradox

the conclusion is entirely what I expect

Since the only way to know what happens is to actually run the program, the algorithm analyzing the program has to compute the same thing as the program itself. Therefore, analyzing is the same as computing.

So if it enters an infinite loop, the analysis will also loop, and therefore you'll never get an answer.

So the question really was, can we know the final result of a computation without running the computation?

The proof is actually very lengthy.

I'm not sure, should I just repeat myself?

>A paradox is a statement that, despite apparently sound reasoning from true premises, leads to an apparently self-contradictory or logically unacceptable conclusion.

this might appear like a paradox to someone who doesn't know the subject matter, but like I said, the conclusion to this algorithm is entirely expected for me

Probably every paradox can be reworded in a way that makes the contradiction in the question evident.

>Some paradoxes have revealed errors in definitions assumed to be rigorous, and have caused axioms of mathematics and logic to be re-examined. One example is Russell's paradox, which questions whether a "list of all lists that do not contain themselves" would include itself, and showed that attempts to found set theory on the identification of sets with properties or predicates were flawed.[7] Others, such as Curry's paradox, are not yet resolved.

I'd say that provided the wording of the supposed paradox includes the word "arbitrary" or equivalent, it's not actually a paradox

a paradox is always resolved, by my own definition of the word, like I said, so we don't really agree on the basics of the semantics

which is fine, and almost always the case, it just means I should not have said anything at the outset

So "your definition" of paradox says it's always resolved? No unresolved paradoxes?

I'm not sure why you're asking that now, I made this clear in my 2nd sentence

[1:26 AM] folk: to me, a paradox is when you start with a reasonable preposition or whatever, and then the conclusion is not what you'd expect

like I said, this is always a problem when you're discussing on a higher level than "beer", which is why I started my reply with a caveat or two, and laid out my definition immediately

Crime Rates in Sweden

I think you mean cultural enrichment rates in Sweden, you bigot

How long until filing police reports becomes a hate crime?

it already is in the UK

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bid3EfCobEM

another bomb ass dank ass video by 1791L

this one even better than the usual

good lord, I guess Laurier issued a statement about how they "unequivocally" support freedom of expression. Every bit of damage control they've attempted just makes them look more pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtH_HHZ0XTQ&feature=youtu.be

You know what's really missing? A statement from the Canadian Human Rights Commission fessing up that indeed, even talking about it is "violence." Just so everyone can wake the fuck up and chop some heads off.

I love the comments on the video saying Laurier should invite Peterson. YES. DO IT.

Can someone tell me why Democrats are going into bat for John Conyers / Al Franken?

I mean I tend to find the pro-Roy Moore argument of 'well we need to defend him otherwise a Democrat will take his seat' kinda skeevy in of itself, but... If Conyers / Franken got the boot, they'd be overwhelmingly likely to be replaced by... *another Democrat*

Also, speaking of Moore, it kinda fucks the Dems argument against him if they behave exactly the same way that (some) Reps are behaving in regards to defending Moore

Tribalism.

dummyism

Abboism

Not satire

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/11/17/im-a-feminist-i-study-rape-culture-and-i-dont-want-al-franken-to-resign/

They don't actually give a shit about women, it's all about political power

Yup

>ideologue
>actually care about people

Hmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

http://www.dailywire.com/news/24004/everything-you-need-know-about-why-net-neutrality-harry-khachatrian

Seems to strike on a few of the points I was talking about earlier today

Choice quote:

Here is what Google actually does. Google (and other large enterprises that deliver content to end users – think Netflix, Facebook) maintains its own global network infrastructure, and peers directly with ISPs at internet exchange points. Google explains this in more detail on their own website.

Google is connected to the New York International Exchange (NYIIX) and the London Internet Exchange (LINX). If you go to the websites of either one of these internet exchange points (New York, London) you can see their full list of members.

What does this mean?

This means that Google is not a customer of an ISP. Google simply connects to these internet exchange points, and here it peers with service providers.

This way, Google has far more control over how its content is delivered to users. If Google wants to treat YouTube video packets differently than the packets transferred for uploading Google Docs files, it can.

Net Neutrality laws will not affect Google because Google does not pay transit providers to deliver content to users. It peers with them.

"Google is privy to the fact that smaller companies, competitors, and start-ups bereft of the resources and capital available to build a global network infrastructure and peer with providers, must instead become customers of higher tier service providers to reach end users.

And what better way to stifle competition in the market, than have these smaller companies subject to a bevy of regulations you’re free of."

Ive been trying to get this this throught some peoples 5ft thick skulls recently but they just cant understand it.

No, Net Neutralities protection is for the consumer end of it

so AT&T, Comcast, etc etc, cant see a packet coming from google and say "hey, they arent giving us any money for this, lets slow them down"

be it via route

Comcast would also peer with NYIIX in this example so they can receive content from google quickly

but once Comcast has that packet, it can treat it in any way it feels

because without net neutrality, a consumer ISP could decide a open a new business model by saying "lets charge the website themselves for the bandwidth their users consume"

send off a ton of bills to facebook, google, yahoo, bing, and all the other websites

obviously they see it as a joke and dont pay the bill

so their service gets limited to 2mbps

so any facebook packet, or google packet or whatever as soon as it hits comcast's network, gets slowed to 2mbps

In the end, we will have to obfuscate and encrypt traffic.

encrpytion wouldnt matter at that point

Tor

sure, something that hides the url you are trying to connect to

but you could just throttle all tor traffic

regardless of source or destination

Yeah, throttle with whitelisting.

but this already sounds like a longer fight

when its far easier to just stop it 😛

I'm still evaluating my position in NN after being a big supporter years ago, but this stuff http://www.dailywire.com/news/24009/net-neutrality-protesters-target-fcc-chairmans-hank-berrien crosses a line for me.

When people bring those who have nothing to with an issue in, especially their opponents family, I lose all respect for them.

When you become known as the guy who fucked everyone's internet, you better have bodyguards 24/7.

That's the problem with being on the same side of an issue with leftist sociopaths

^ I'm generally really conservative on some things, but I don't think this should have to become another "conservative v.s. liberal" issue.
I don't think it's very liberal to say that access to information is something people should receive equally.
And it really worries me that some people assume they don't need to speak up because someone else will do it for them, that's how these kinda things get made into laws.

What law?

This was a fcc regulation

I'm not just talking about America.

But the FCC killing net neutrality would definitely set a precedent.

Wut

The fcc made nn in the first place

The internet exists in other countries and they have their own stances on it.

America would influence that if they removed it themselves.

How do you think people would react if the FCC succeeds?

They already did.

It was wrong when the fcc created a regulation on isp without congressional legislation in the first place

It is just righting itself

And the FCC chairman wasn't even elected, right?

Just appointed by Drumpf.

Are you even serious

Ajit Pai is the Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. He was designated Chairman by President Donald J. Trump in January 2017. He had previously served as Commissioner at the FCC, appointed by then-President Barack Obama and confirmed unanimously by the United States Senate in May 2012.

How is that- not serious?

https://www.fcc.gov/about/leadership/ajit-pai

>Unironicly saying Drumpf

i'm not anti trump at all, i just said it because it was once his family surname [but never his name]

i don't ride his dick or anything but he's not the "worst president ever"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uegqTj3SHO4

not rascist @ all

Is Warren a race realist? I thought biology wasn't real

it's a social construct

we're all the same

u are me and i am you

So you are also a furry?

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/fascism-came-to-america-wrapped-in-a-rainbow-flag-and-wearing-a-pussyhat-902118e62668

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Fascism came to America when we started imperialism

I like how racist that flag is, because it lacks the brown and black stripes. <:sargonpepe:382978608894836747>

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people

Hmmmmm

What in fact is Fascism? A socialism emancipated from democracy. A trade unionism free of the chains of the class struggle had imposed on Italian labour. A methodical and successful will to bring together in a same fascio all the human factors of national production ... A determination to approach, to threat, to resolve the worker question in itself ... and to unite unions in corporations, to coordinate them, to incorporate the proletariat into the hereditary and traditional activities of the historical State of the Fatherland

Hmmmmmm

Its almost like fascism has become a meaningless term because you use it for everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-I95LsRFq0

trippy

was on the front page of my youtube

was just about to click through to it

Fuck yo NN ni🅱🅱a

I like this PDF
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1128/DOC-347961A1.pdf

What I hear is "they can do whatever they pay us to not notice"

US SENATE VOTING ON TAXES NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5EokSiR8sU

fucking Bernie

Praise our great Communist leader.

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(((Bernie "SHUT IT DOWN" Sanders)))

What’s the tally so far?

They haven't voted yet, they just stopped the motion to adjourn until monday.

OV VEY SHUT IT DOWN

oy veyyyyyyyy

I've never actually said MAGA unironically until now but *MAGA*

good lord the people in the live chat think the world is going to explode in 4 minutes

I'm gettin a good feeling about this. They've blocked all the amendments so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWBR3vbpZ2U

@✿ Mittens ✿ http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html

nope

and that's why that shouldn't be allowed

it'll corrupt 'em

You should have to be 18 for any form of surgery or horomone treatment

Thomas Sowell is red-pilled af https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxYu90mxvh0

Might actually be the most densely intellectual and wellspoken news segment I've ever seen...

I cannot wait to hear him and Ruben talk

I am going to go to that talk if they ever put any info out about it

I know I can't wait either. Is it not in Rubin's studio?

Wait , he and Rubin are actually having a talk?

It is happening at Stanford

Cool