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2018-11-03 23:52:33 UTC

>when a state establishes a public school system
So don't establish one

2018-11-03 23:52:37 UTC

^

2018-11-03 23:52:40 UTC

^^

2018-11-03 23:53:20 UTC

Private schools are costly, less kids would be in school

2018-11-03 23:53:23 UTC

You just can't think of any new ways of doing the same thing, @Deleted User

2018-11-03 23:53:30 UTC

Not if everyone paid into them.

2018-11-03 23:53:41 UTC

And there was free market competition.

2018-11-03 23:53:54 UTC

Education used to be done by charities as well

2018-11-03 23:54:10 UTC

and it used to be cheaper

2018-11-03 23:54:23 UTC

Public education in the United States wasn't supposed to become the bemouth that it is.

2018-11-03 23:54:38 UTC

@Deleted User How is it, that most of our founding father had middle school educations?

2018-11-03 23:54:48 UTC

isn't there a case that government assistance made college more expensive?

2018-11-03 23:54:54 UTC

there is

2018-11-03 23:54:59 UTC

Where?

2018-11-03 23:55:00 UTC

and it is very economically sound

2018-11-03 23:55:07 UTC

The basics of the argument are

2018-11-03 23:55:10 UTC

as follows

2018-11-03 23:55:27 UTC

@Fitzydog a number of different factors

2018-11-03 23:56:23 UTC

And why are kids less educated today, than similar ages decades ago?

2018-11-03 23:56:51 UTC

Single parent families, technology, etc.

2018-11-03 23:56:57 UTC

The government subsidizes upper level education,
this causes more people to want to attend, many of whom can't afford it,
thus the government funds it even more,
this once again causes more people to want to attend, many of whom can't afford it,
and it just keeps spiraling.

2018-11-03 23:57:03 UTC

There is more detail in this video

2018-11-03 23:57:21 UTC

and there is another aspect to it that I did not write

2018-11-03 23:57:26 UTC

@meratrix I'd hate to see that happen to healthcare

2018-11-03 23:57:29 UTC

@meratrix it's a bloody ouroboros

2018-11-03 23:57:36 UTC

if you want a easy time to get a job, go trade school

2018-11-03 23:57:43 UTC

^

2018-11-03 23:57:51 UTC

too bad women don't go into the trades

2018-11-03 23:57:58 UTC

also schools can charge more because they get government money, so they arent really accountable

2018-11-03 23:57:59 UTC

๐Ÿคท๐Ÿป

2018-11-03 23:58:04 UTC

Isnโ€™t learn liberty funded by the Koch brothers? Iโ€™ll watch it though

2018-11-03 23:58:15 UTC

Lots of shit is funded by lots of people

2018-11-03 23:58:20 UTC

I don't really care

2018-11-03 23:58:28 UTC

kaden is funded by SOROS

2018-11-03 23:58:30 UTC

It is a very sound and logical argument.

2018-11-03 23:59:03 UTC

Yeah, I used to watch them when I thought libertarianism was sound economics

2018-11-03 23:59:15 UTC

<:triggered:382980748115968000>

2018-11-03 23:59:27 UTC

๐Ÿคฆ

2018-11-03 23:59:36 UTC

Were you like 12?

2018-11-03 23:59:47 UTC

why are you guys falling for her tricks

2018-11-03 23:59:54 UTC

Coca-cola funds campaigns focused on getting kids to exercise.

2018-11-04 00:00:00 UTC

jewish ploys

2018-11-04 00:00:10 UTC

dA j00S

2018-11-04 00:00:33 UTC

Whenever someone disagrees with them, itโ€™s a trick!

2018-11-04 00:00:37 UTC

can we crowdfund a coca cola death squad to visit kadens school?

2018-11-04 00:00:49 UTC

Itโ€™s a troll because she doesnโ€™t agree with us.

2018-11-04 00:01:03 UTC

no it's a troll because i'm not retarded

2018-11-04 00:01:06 UTC

No, it's cause your logic never adds up

2018-11-04 00:01:21 UTC

and i dont think everything is a troll

2018-11-04 00:01:34 UTC

i'm just aware of the times it is

2018-11-04 00:03:25 UTC

"I think people should be free to make any and all economic decisions they wish, and outside forces have no right to impose their will on others" โžก "I think people should be forced to provide for others against their will, and fundamentally people can not be trusted with basic sovereignty."

2018-11-04 00:03:39 UTC

lol yeah right

2018-11-04 00:04:07 UTC

yeah, idk

2018-11-04 00:04:38 UTC

wasn't the goal to just be able to live a good life, free form oppression?

2018-11-04 00:04:54 UTC

how did it turn into all this?

2018-11-04 00:05:07 UTC

People redefined "oppression"

2018-11-04 00:05:11 UTC

people have it too good

2018-11-04 00:05:15 UTC

OH

2018-11-04 00:05:22 UTC

which reminds me

2018-11-04 00:05:37 UTC

i'm not a fascist or anything...

2018-11-04 00:05:42 UTC

but

2018-11-04 00:06:23 UTC

You're off to a great start

2018-11-04 00:06:31 UTC

kaden's pretty fashy tbh

2018-11-04 00:06:51 UTC

i've been toying with the idea of a culturally mandated vision quest or something

2018-11-04 00:07:24 UTC

something that gets kids to be self-reliant

2018-11-04 00:07:44 UTC

because i think a lot of our problems today come from kids being too soft

2018-11-04 00:07:49 UTC

Oh, I was thinking like DMT infused neo-Catholicism

2018-11-04 00:07:57 UTC

lol

2018-11-04 00:08:30 UTC

i mean we already have scouts

2018-11-04 00:08:38 UTC

Yeah, I was a boy scout

2018-11-04 00:08:40 UTC

but that kinda is fading

2018-11-04 00:09:09 UTC

i dont know the solution, but i think it's a problem nonetheless

2018-11-04 00:10:12 UTC

But now it's the gender confused scouts

2018-11-04 00:10:20 UTC

like, is it necessary for people to know struggle, before they become productive?

2018-11-04 00:10:41 UTC

what will people be like, when there is no struggle?

2018-11-04 00:11:03 UTC

i think everything will fall apart

2018-11-04 00:11:16 UTC

Or we could have Stratocracy, unironically.

Only those who have struggled for their citizenship can vote

2018-11-04 00:11:18 UTC

the kids will not know how the machine works

2018-11-04 00:11:27 UTC

The children can continue being children

2018-11-04 00:11:53 UTC

no, lol

2018-11-04 00:11:58 UTC

they will get curious

2018-11-04 00:12:04 UTC

and fuck around with shit

2018-11-04 00:12:14 UTC

like kids do

2018-11-04 00:12:27 UTC

that is why tradition is so important

2018-11-04 00:12:32 UTC

I meant the overgrown children we colloquially call 'adults'

2018-11-04 00:12:56 UTC

this applies to them

2018-11-04 00:13:22 UTC

Can you explain? What will they fuck around with?

2018-11-04 00:14:20 UTC

the structures that would be in place

2018-11-04 00:14:55 UTC

i guess i should go back to what i was saying

2018-11-04 00:15:03 UTC

yeah, sorry

2018-11-04 00:20:40 UTC

the point i was trying to make, is that you cant create prosperity without also creating complacency
so that eventually, if society keeps improving, there would be some sort of imperative to keep the youth in check, and to teach them the value of what they have.
without that mechanism in place, they will end up,through ignorance, destroying the system.
so what i was talking about earlier was a need for some sort of program to combat that

2018-11-04 00:21:41 UTC

Yes, I agree.

Thing is, you can't 'fix' everyone

2018-11-04 00:21:49 UTC

right

2018-11-04 00:22:02 UTC

but we need the majority

2018-11-04 00:22:13 UTC

I'm not sure being egalitarian in that sense is even preferable

2018-11-04 00:22:34 UTC

can you explain that more?

2018-11-04 00:23:40 UTC

Like, *attempting* to get as many people into that position as possible.

The thing about hardship and its relation to responsibility, is that it has to be completely voluntary for it to even work.

2018-11-04 00:23:55 UTC

People need to *want* to become a better person

2018-11-04 00:24:08 UTC

um..maybe

2018-11-04 00:24:22 UTC

And I think that for a majority of humans, that will never be the case

2018-11-04 00:24:41 UTC

The old "sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs" thing

2018-11-04 00:25:30 UTC

which is why i was talking about this in the context of fascism

2018-11-04 00:25:44 UTC

it almost needs to be forced

2018-11-04 00:25:48 UTC

true, but it doesn't sound very fascist lol

2018-11-04 00:25:57 UTC

Authoritarian, yes

2018-11-04 00:26:11 UTC

okay, sure

2018-11-04 00:26:18 UTC

that is a better word

2018-11-04 00:26:56 UTC

Which is why i brought up stratocracy unironically, because this is the exact phenomenon that Heinlein was talking about in the pre-history of Starship Troopers

2018-11-04 00:27:30 UTC

Prosperity leads to decadence, which leads to a slow collapse of responsiblity

2018-11-04 00:27:37 UTC

Yet, responsibility can't be forced

2018-11-04 00:27:51 UTC

exactly

2018-11-04 00:29:03 UTC

So even if we could have a societal mechanism which indoctrinated everyone into having the toolkit necessary to take on responsibility, very few still would, and now you'd have a bunch of angry young adults on your hands because you forced them through this

2018-11-04 00:29:39 UTC

well, you would need to be able to back it up

2018-11-04 00:29:48 UTC

and do it at an early age

2018-11-04 00:29:51 UTC

with love

2018-11-04 00:30:09 UTC

you want them to feel a part of it

2018-11-04 00:30:21 UTC

not alienate them

2018-11-04 00:30:44 UTC

i dont see it as a punishment

2018-11-04 00:31:09 UTC

and if done right they wouldn't either

2018-11-04 00:33:30 UTC

i mean, is there a way to raise kids without making them resent you?
i think so

2018-11-04 00:36:07 UTC

Yeah, but that's 150mil different sets of parents

2018-11-04 01:12:03 UTC

You know parents tried that. It was "Be your kids friend." And "4 to 8 year olds have high rationality process." Ideologies

2018-11-04 01:12:18 UTC

What did that get us. The sjw/socialists

2018-11-04 01:13:34 UTC

I think he meant, that you can raise your child in a harsh environment that builds character, while simultaneously being a good parent

2018-11-04 01:14:58 UTC

Ah

2018-11-04 11:07:46 UTC

>nationalise homes

2018-11-04 11:08:02 UTC

<:Commie_ball:466404411535785995>

๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฟ

I thought it would be a Hillary speech tbh

Basket of Deplorables. Thanks Hillary ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿฟ

Also thank you Democrats for the term FAKE NEWS

2018-11-04 12:53:01 UTC

"People dont like blizzard's new game. The media blames the alt-right." <:what:382980756139409409>

It's those Gam0r-Gat0rs again!

2018-11-04 12:54:44 UTC

to the victim mobile! quick!

2018-11-04 16:44:20 UTC

<:thronk:441701565607444482>

It's always better when it's the same writer

2018-11-04 18:31:07 UTC

Just remember: Trump has only *gained* new supporters, and lost hardly any.

LET's POKEMAN GO TO THE POLLS!

(My piece of paper has arrived from the Motherland)

2018-11-04 18:33:29 UTC

Hillary Clinton killed Pokemon, change my mind

2018-11-04 18:34:27 UTC

Hillary Clinton suicided many people, change my mind.

2018-11-04 18:42:40 UTC

In that view, itโ€™s baffling to some observers that conservatives are the ones pushing a convention.

โ€œI donโ€™t know what exactly theyโ€™re unhappy with. When I look at the current politics, it seems to me things for them are going really well,โ€ said constitutional law professor Michael Klarman of Harvard University. โ€œTheyโ€™re already getting what they want from the Supreme Court. Gerrymandering is fine. Unlimited money in politics is fine. The Electoral College is OK. Voter purges, photo ID laws are OK. So I donโ€™t know exactly what theyโ€™re looking for.โ€

2018-11-04 18:43:01 UTC

"Hurr duurrr, what are they unhappy with *cites a bunch of political corruption blaming it on republicans*

2018-11-04 18:43:49 UTC

yeah I'm sure all rightists WANT gerrymandering, unlimited money, voter purges

2018-11-04 18:44:25 UTC

unlimited money <:GWfroggyMonkaMega:405753064100986880>

2018-11-04 18:44:44 UTC

Thats because the Left literally can't understand that the right doesn't want these options available on the table

2018-11-04 18:44:44 UTC

unlimited funding or whatever it is

2018-11-04 18:44:53 UTC

heh yea

2018-11-04 18:45:05 UTC

well they look at the politicians themselves rather than the people

2018-11-04 18:45:11 UTC

"What do you mean, you don't want an easy win?!?"

2018-11-04 18:45:18 UTC

"Oh look there's a corrupt politician, THOSE FUCKING GARBAGE HUMANS wanted that"

2018-11-04 18:46:16 UTC

If there's anything conservatives want out of a potential Article V convention it's probably clear budget and term limits

2018-11-04 18:46:32 UTC

yeah i figured that was the most important issue

2018-11-04 18:46:48 UTC

united states is bleeding money, and the left thinks they can keep printing money

2018-11-04 18:47:22 UTC

Obama, "Uh... the budget is uh... doing bad. We're in debt, but there's uh... nothing we can do about it. We uh... just got to uh... ride it out! Y'see?"

2018-11-04 18:47:33 UTC

that is a problem all over the west. left party's think money comes out of thin air

2018-11-04 18:47:56 UTC

if you don't spend money, you're racist

2018-11-04 18:48:28 UTC

so sayeth the PROPHET keynes

2018-11-04 18:52:14 UTC

talking about black people born in the wrong skin

Who knows <:pepeping:466401908811235329> ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฟ

2018-11-04 18:57:29 UTC

Also they arnt getting all they want from scotus. They just turned down a trump request

2018-11-04 19:22:28 UTC

because repubs don't have SC majority

2018-11-04 19:22:30 UTC

or do they

2018-11-04 19:37:15 UTC

do any of you believe that the line of inheritance to the british monarchy has been unbroken since 1066?

2018-11-04 21:00:52 UTC

https://youtu.be/W8Id0-Lsyr0 If you ever did wonder how evil George Soros is. here is a interview where he admits to sell out his fellow men to be sent to die under the nazis for monetary gains

2018-11-05 02:40:29 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/508832952738906112/south_china_sea.png

2018-11-05 02:48:11 UTC

why

2018-11-05 02:49:37 UTC

idk, I found BPS's description of the south China Sea to be very eye opening, but I couldn't find an example of it anywhere but his videos.

So I made my own.

2018-11-05 02:50:06 UTC

It reframes the dispute from China's perspective

2018-11-05 02:57:09 UTC

Chinas perspective = We own everything.

2018-11-05 02:57:33 UTC

No wonder they're defensive lol

2018-11-05 03:02:02 UTC

Great speech. Prager deals with the protesters with great tact https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qcYjJ61Qos

2018-11-05 03:08:36 UTC

They are defensive because they cant sustain an offensive.

2018-11-05 03:09:32 UTC

*Yet.*

2018-11-05 03:11:37 UTC

Unless something massive happens ever. Chinas economy is and has been for some time on a knife edge. So unless they do something crazy like. Open all of china to capitalism, heavy doubt.

2018-11-05 03:13:16 UTC

idk, we don't really know all that much about their economy besides what we can see from the outside.

And we do't know what they might try and pull on us once they see a downward trend

2018-11-05 03:21:49 UTC

You can look at standard of living, stock markets of the capitalist zones, ect. And even though communist there is property values ect. Since china lifted their travel controls a lot of info came out.

2018-11-05 03:33:39 UTC

Fair enough, but we'll wait and see how their military build up is actually used

2018-11-05 03:35:06 UTC

to stomp their neighbors if they get too uppity

2018-11-05 03:35:31 UTC

\*ahem* *We're their neighbors...*

2018-11-05 03:35:40 UTC

<:pepe_sweat:378719424548569088>

2018-11-05 03:36:55 UTC

Closest is guam i believe. But still not their neighbors

2018-11-05 03:37:16 UTC

But if they keep it up with japan. We might have new territory soon

2018-11-05 03:38:05 UTC

Make the Philippines America Again

2018-11-05 03:39:57 UTC

Sadly we had to give up the phillipeans due to treaty. But i would prefer them to Puerto Rico

2018-11-05 06:07:12 UTC

big <:high_iq:382980759012638731>

2018-11-05 06:21:49 UTC

Not every place in the world is equally well-suited to mass economic activity. Natureโ€™s bounty is divided unevenly. Variations in wealth and income created by these differences are magnified by governments that suppress entrepreneurship and promote religious intolerance, gender discrimination, or other bigotry. Closed borders compound these injustices, cementing inequality into place and sentencing their victims to a life of penury.

2018-11-05 06:22:16 UTC

I wish open borders on these people, see if they like it when reality come knocking

2018-11-05 07:28:40 UTC

but with open borders other will just conquer you since threw you away your border treaty and technically dont exist

2018-11-05 07:29:10 UTC

its like individualism being eaten by imported tribalism

2018-11-05 07:29:56 UTC

yes we in the civilized world might not need borders anymore, but the savages areent ready for this by a long shot

2018-11-05 08:18:05 UTC

It's like in these Anarchic communities, where there are no rules and police and stuff. At some point someone will start build a fence because some other asshole will just ome to your trailer and steal your stuff and/or kill you.

2018-11-05 08:18:39 UTC

Borders re there for a reason a every nation has the right to build and enforce their borders as they wish

2018-11-05 08:19:58 UTC

It's like the Wil West. When someone comes and tramples evrything you have with his cattle heards then it's time to set up the barbed wire

2018-11-05 08:25:33 UTC

this and that progressives dont consider 75% of the world with their wet fantasies

2018-11-05 08:30:06 UTC

Yep, there are ountries where people like them would straight go into nice little outdoor camps for "reeducation"

2018-11-05 10:55:45 UTC

They don't consider 75% of the world is a third world shithole

2018-11-05 10:57:32 UTC

You can't just call them shitholes you bigot ... unbelievable ...

2018-11-05 14:07:22 UTC

can you hear the outcry from all the identitarianism calling out that racist? it deafening quiet isn't

2018-11-05 14:15:32 UTC

why is it that most of the socalled democrat that claims that they are for the little guy live so far from the plebs that you think we are dealing with aristocrats from the middle ages

2018-11-05 14:57:39 UTC

Because they're not for the little guy

2018-11-05 16:28:57 UTC

Hell yeah, brother

2018-11-05 16:37:34 UTC

It's interesting how a quiet young nerd has been talked up as an evil white nationalist frat bro

He wouldn't know even if he did any work

2018-11-05 17:48:27 UTC

The polls also werent wrong

2018-11-05 17:48:39 UTC

Hillary won the popular vote by 2%

2018-11-05 17:48:48 UTC

The forecasts were 3%

2018-11-05 17:49:13 UTC

Also every swing state Trump won were all in the margin of error

2018-11-05 17:52:07 UTC

Your point?

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