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wow, I didn't realize how much Pinker is a lying sack of shit
Key word here is HORSE drawn
It was horse drawn you nob
When was the fall of the Roman empire
mid 500s
It was not until the 900s that the Horse collar, horse shoe and plow were found
before that it was done by oxen
Sorry technicality they were oxen drawn but same bloody concept
No it is not
Horses could pull as much weight
but at twice the speed
But oxen didnt need the harnes
Harnes?
Harness
ahhhh
What up homies
it was a slower method
and it allowed the farmer more time
With the preference for oxen as engine of ploughing there was no real need to construct a harness system which would allow the horse to pull a plough. The major problem with using either the dorsal yoke or the neck yoke to harness an equid to a plough is really the point of attachment. In wagons and carts the point of attachment was reasonably far off the ground, whereas for ploughs it is almost at ground level.
Also romans had horse drawn carts they already had a form of harness
And the horse was an improvement
Not for PLOWING
we are talking about the Farming techniques that exploded in innovation after the Roman empire fell
Damn that's some trivia level stuff.
And how more food was produced in that timeframe after
Well, we *were* talking about the origins of the Enlightenment
So more time means more time for thinking I'm guessing is the idea.
>When a grey is better than a green
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Speaking of which.... Why are you still green?
But still the dark ages are marked with an over european cold spell. https://www.atmos.washington.edu/2001Q2/211/groupE/andy.html
Racism
Thats why
wut mate
Also this isnt <#372513679964635138> convo
Racism is why i am green. Yall racist against gobbo slayers
Survive -> More time -> Enlightenment -> Advances in politics
You are feeding a false enlightenment Era narrative that attempted to tear down everything that came before it. If you look at the inventions during the "Darks Ages" alone you can see that this narrative is a lie.
The CANNON Mother fucker
The stirrup imported from China in the sixth or seventh century and improved in the eighth by the Franks, and the saddle, whose design met significant improvements in the West. Both advances made the Western heavy cavalry an almost invincible weapon
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Lmao taking claim for chinese advancement
Chinese failed time and time again to use their inventions to any advantage
And show me the person who imported it from China
ProTip you cannot
Europe was definitely inventing a lot during the pre-enlightenment era, but there WAS a small 'ice age' @DanConway
The article litterally says it was you nob
I was using this as an example
they are making a historical assumption
With very little evidence to support it
I thought you were a skeptic
k, I felt like it was glossed over too quickly.
I'm sure it DID have quite an effect on crop harvests for several decades
Pretty sure humans have been inventing since before they were even considered human.
It's a constant improvement process.
lol that was "the distributists" point
It also allowed storage and breeding processes for this timeframe to improve
There was a cold snap and a massive disease raviging the contenant
Just so you know
I am going off of a different source from a paper i wrote
You forget how the plague isolated communities. Add in warring states as warlords vied for power
that contradicts the china
lol
This is just bad history friend
Depends on the timeframe
Fall of Rome--------->Enlightenment
This video is fantastic if you want to know more about the ice age, little ice age, and climate change in general: https://youtu.be/G0Cp7DrvNLQ
They also cite inventions post dark ages
This is a large span of time
My main point
This article is all jacked
THE ENLIGHTMENT DID NOT MAGICALLY APPEAR
it was built on by the Science and engineering and philosophy that happened during the socalled "dark Ages"
You also realize post fall of rome. Spain and france were invaded by the moors. Whome had trade with their islamic brothers who ran the silk road
Oh, the video also talks about the enlightenment period.
It said that there was a period of time where the climate was super awesome for growing food and in general not having a hard time. It gave people a better food amount and more time to think about stuff.
Yes there was some. I never denied that. I stated it was only clergy. The rest of the citizenry was busy trying to survive
"Only Clergy"
Well, it has been shown that an increase in food leads to an increase in the populace, which leads to an increase in specialization
You mean the people who did Science engineering and Philosophy๐คฆ๐ฟ in that time frame
The cold period between romes warm period, and the enlightenments warm period. Constant wars. And the plague gave to much for common citizenry to worry about
"Constant Wars"
And the clergy didnt share often
The bottom end of the Maslow's Hierachy of Needs illustrates well just how money/resources works into advancement of individuals and society as a whole.
Pope Urban the Second Unified Europe like it never had before
Yes of the vying warlords trying to get their piece, the moor invasion, viking raids
More food, housing, safety, etc. leads to more time doing other stuff.
Everything past the bare minimum is only allowed because efficiency of food, housing, and safety production.
Europe was a mess after the fall of rome politically. It left a huge power vacuum
Change my mind: The Holy Roman Empire was better at managing Europe than the EU
That is a hard pick
Probably never studdied much of the hre
hre?
But i know my roman and the fall
Holy roman empire
You already off to a bad start
If managing means stability, sure. If managing means a good place to exist? Nope.
with why it fell
Lol the fall began with julies not relenquishing the emperitor role. And a series of events after continued this
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Holy Shit
Can you not speak in enlightenment narratives
or is that impossible
Lmao
Im being serious
I have seen people make hypothesis on why, but to make a claim like that....
Im sure your Veiw of Julius Cesar is based on what Shakespeare wrote about him as well
Nope
I got to crash
The fact julius abandoned the republics law and didnt reliquish power was the start. But it was a slow fall. Compounded by the split of east and west, following a series of horrible emperors, wars that stretched on far to long. Over expansion. Conquered people not assimulating enough, or at all. The roman army becoming majority auxillary foriegn groups. And ending in the west almost bankrupting, disease, hunger and the invasiom of the goths
Not trying to be a dick
Nah I'd say the fall started with Commodus
I know i come off as abrasive
Oh commudus was one of those horrrid emperors
have a good night
Yep. You have the 5 good empowers ending with Commodus
His father was decent but abandoning the tradition of succession for his son who was ill fit was a horrid mistake
Also considered the golden age of rome
HE SAID GOODNIGHT!
Yep
But thw fact julius abandoned the republic law. Was the catalyst for the rest
But in some ways you can't really blame him. All of previous dudes of the golden age were childless
woah
But the tradition of choosing an apt person and conducting decades of training for the position was what saved rome from further octavians
In Teagardens to Julius what about Marius and Sulla
Regards
And the Gracchi brothers
The rebuild was already falling apart long before Julius go there
Republic sorry
i wonder how the industrial revolution happened
if it wasn't enlightenment
Gun smithing
there was technology invented in the middle ages! the cannon
what do you need to make a cannon?
how to cast bronze 101
or wait, weld a bunch of iron bars together
basically the skills of a cooper, upscaled
and cannons were shit until the 1600s was it
Not a period I know well. Rome is my bread and butter
i mean romans could have had gunpowder, but they didn't for some reason
Rifle makers had to rifle barrels in a consistent manner which led to them building jigs
there's no real explanation for why china got to it first... i guess it was just people playing with toys
Sulla was at least after julius
romans weren't really as inventive as other cultures of a similar size
sulla came before julius @Goblin_Slayer_Floki :
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Sulla was not after Julius
Bleh your right fucking bc
haha
i listened to history of rome podcast at work, thank you very much
Love that podcast
yeah its cool
It's what got me into Roman history
im onto history of byzantium now, but I can't listen to episode after episode with the presenter's voice
puts me to sleep after awhile
I usually put them on when I am cleaning
I need to listen to it. Ii am halfway through the documentary on hulu iirc voiced by sean bean
yeah its great
oh the Rome: Reign of Blood or something?
Its set around commudus
right, that one
he looks like justin trudeau
Hey its another thing sean bean can list as he didnt die in
Its a rather small lost
List*
good ol sean bean
I didnt think he would make such a good narrator but he does
i think season 2 was narrated by someone else
Ah
Well thats sad
This one is for @Deleted User
there is certainly some truth to conservatives being more attractive
More nonsense about scandinavia being socialist
Also, claiming the US has better living standards. My sides!
u mad?
Scandinavia is as socialist as Venezuela is capitalist
lmao
*"The Trump-backed report also makes the claim that โby some measures, even poor American households have better living standards than the average person living in a Nordic country.โ"*
Fake news
haha
wtf. what they smoking when they did make that report
It smells like propaganda
Anything for all of Scandi to come out and say they are Capitalist
EVEN SWEDEN
Well they are
well capitalist systems with social programs
exactly
Most people that throw around buzzwords like Socialism/Socialist don't really understand what it is.
They think it's anything to do with government involvement
nothing is stopping you from starting your own company and become filthy rich in Scandinavia. all you need to do is work for it and have a good idea
I'm all out of good ideas ๐คท๐ฟ
and that is why only a few people in the world in general become filthy rich
It's a state of mind
if you want to become truly sad about luck and life.
https://nordic.businessinsider.com/this-24-year-old-jetsetter-salmon-billionaire-is-now-norways-richest-person-2017-10/
Wait, is this some underling that decided calling Scandinavia socialist was a good idea, or is this Trump lying again in order for the truth to be broadcast?
The report is 4D chess to shutup the Bernie bros
even if it just a shit report it working as in the frensy to show trump wrong they dispel the myth that Scandinavia is a socialist utopia
Scandinavia is not socialist. It's Zionist
:/
Holy shit, the mad man is doing it!
They are gunna have to word that very carefully
hmm he is not wrong that the system where people are travelling to the US for birth just for the kid to get a citizenship for free and then use sad kid as a ticket to get to the US need a rework. the chinese have been doing it for decades
14th amendment interpretation states there is birthright citizenship, but I guess weโre about to find out what Supreme Court says.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well so we'll see
did watch a 60minuts report years ago. where they did follow a Chinese woman that was pregnant tricking the system by bribing the doctor to make a note that she was 5-6 month pregnant instead of the 8-9 that she actually was and as soon she was in the US she see a other doctor that was in on the scam that did give her a drug that induced the child birth so the kid did get the citizenship and then they had the reason needed to get promotion to move to the US with the hole family
What a scumbag
but America is BAD. Why would she do sucha foolish thing?
I like how WW2 ended, and Germany lost, then Germany was like "okay how about we rule europe anyway though?" That's the EU
kek
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well turns out not being a slave of Brussel have it advantages..
Alright, so it's come to my attention that executive orders can be 86'd by Congress, not just a lower court
But that's for orders that supersede executive powers.
Is citizenship an executive power?
Gotta be a Citizen to vote
*"... filings have pushed the number of pending cases before U.S. immigration courts to more than 750,000, collapsing the system..."*
but still the US is the worst place on earth as it run by orange hitter and friends
wtf are they chanting that for, how about you stay out of the country that has trump in it
Mexico has literally been invaded, and is allowing a foreign power military passage to america, where they will also invade america
I think that qaulifies for a counter attack that annexes mexico and central america
nahhhh
damn right trump
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