#politics-free-for-all (Discord ID: 372513679964635138) in /r/SargonOfAkkad (Sparta), page 133


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2018-09-23 11:49:14 UTC

Dude, it's mot

2018-09-23 11:49:15 UTC

Only men

2018-09-23 11:49:25 UTC

Tribalism has rules of law

2018-09-23 11:49:30 UTC

Nah, the rules of the tribe were decide by the chief

2018-09-23 11:49:40 UTC

They are enforced by their cheiftain and enders

2018-09-23 11:49:43 UTC

Yes, decided arbitrarily by the chief

2018-09-23 11:49:48 UTC

And his cronies

2018-09-23 11:49:51 UTC

On their whim

2018-09-23 11:50:03 UTC

Yes, sounds like a state

2018-09-23 11:50:13 UTC

Cronies is the wrong word, you mean warriors

2018-09-23 11:51:00 UTC

Tribalism is a form of social heirachy, not technically a state

2018-09-23 11:51:19 UTC

Any of you heard of anarcho-Ireland or saga-period Iceland. They were pretty good examples of what ancapistan may look like law-wise. The rulings of a court were decided by an appointed elder and enforced privately

2018-09-23 11:51:30 UTC

Social hierarchy emerges naturally from human society

2018-09-23 11:51:41 UTC

There was no state used to catch the bad guy for you

2018-09-23 11:51:56 UTC

You would usually raise the hue and cry

2018-09-23 11:52:03 UTC

@AsianMessiah yeah, so that'd be Tribalistic Capitalism then

2018-09-23 11:52:10 UTC

Or rely on the other men in your tithing

2018-09-23 11:52:12 UTC

Anarchy is a state of nature so will be based on a hierarchy

2018-09-23 11:52:27 UTC

That's an oxymoron

2018-09-23 11:52:49 UTC

Depends on what you really mean by hierarchy

2018-09-23 11:52:56 UTC

I hope you arent using it the commie way

2018-09-23 11:53:32 UTC

A hierarchy of leaders / followers

2018-09-23 11:53:34 UTC

I only use the correct definition of heirachy, and it's not based off privilege

2018-09-23 11:53:46 UTC

That's how people organise themselves spontaneously

2018-09-23 11:53:57 UTC

The scale of the hierarchy depends on the technology available

2018-09-23 11:54:04 UTC

A heirachy is like a set of stairs, and people are either higher of lower

2018-09-23 11:54:15 UTC

With modern tech it can encompass a whole country

2018-09-23 11:54:26 UTC

As long as there is no coercion or involuntary payment to the chief, I dont see whats so wrong

2018-09-23 11:54:32 UTC

Yes, higher or lower in the 'pecking order'

2018-09-23 11:54:58 UTC

I.e. aristocracy

2018-09-23 11:54:59 UTC

There is no guarantee that warlords will take over, but being content with the state we have now IS

2018-09-23 11:55:45 UTC

How would the cheiftain be payed, would they be appointed it while they work their main job, or would it be an elder.

If it was an elder who is unable to work, what would happen?

2018-09-23 11:55:52 UTC

"As long as there is no coercion or involuntary payment to the chief" <- magical thinking right here

2018-09-23 11:56:05 UTC

One sec brb

2018-09-23 11:56:18 UTC

Chieftain tax for sure

2018-09-23 11:57:07 UTC

It could be negligible though, equating to the adverage wage

2018-09-23 11:57:42 UTC

With mediaeval tech it can encompass a whole country

2018-09-23 11:57:58 UTC

Modern tech can encompass the whole world, which is what seems to be happening

2018-09-23 12:03:47 UTC

Ok so how is it magical thinking? @MuChaDo

2018-09-23 12:04:37 UTC

"As long as there is no coercion or involuntary payment to the chief" - if the chief is the one who makes the rules, how is this to be guaranteed?

2018-09-23 12:05:08 UTC

Anarchism doesnt work, never worked, and will undoubtedly end in death as people accumilate power within the system.

2018-09-23 12:05:40 UTC

individual localised cases are irrelivant since they operated on tribalism

2018-09-23 12:06:11 UTC

You are stating the itent for a anarchistic system, which is where there are no heirachies

2018-09-23 12:06:14 UTC

In a tribe of ten, I dont think the chief will have much of a chance if he starts creating crazy laws for his tribe. Considering the chief is often quite older aswell @MuChaDo

2018-09-23 12:06:34 UTC

you arent talking about tribalism if you want ANARCHAL capitalism

2018-09-23 12:06:51 UTC

Tribalism and Anarchy are opposing ideologies

2018-09-23 12:07:01 UTC

anarchy works until the guy with the gun shows up takes over the power and anyone that refuse get a bullet

2018-09-23 12:07:38 UTC

Tribal Capitalism is the only example you have mentioned that worked. They do not operate through Anarchy

2018-09-23 12:08:10 UTC

Yes, I know that hierarchies are inevitable in the private sector, but I see no reason for a select group of people to take the fruits of our labour by force and encapsulate us in their geographic region of operation. Force is active and therefore carries the burden of proof, this is the one thing the state has not fulfilled

2018-09-23 12:08:33 UTC

@Nordhand Not when there are 100 people with guns also pointing theirs at the agressors head

2018-09-23 12:08:38 UTC

"In a tribe of ten" - what limits tribes to 10? This is survival of the strongest isn't it?

2018-09-23 12:08:40 UTC

what you say you want is not Anarchal

2018-09-23 12:08:54 UTC

Also noted is that you accept the existence of tribes but somehow object to the notion of warlords

2018-09-23 12:09:09 UTC

it is defined as "Neotribal capitalism"

2018-09-23 12:09:56 UTC

I have heard this point by lib-socs before, the definition of anarchy has changed from "no hierarchies", to "no state" @Dwarforn

2018-09-23 12:10:03 UTC

but at the end of the day its semantics

2018-09-23 12:10:36 UTC

@MuChaDo In most tribes the peasants are greater in numbers than the rule-developing entity

2018-09-23 12:10:52 UTC

But not in firepower

2018-09-23 12:11:05 UTC

i.e. military capability

2018-09-23 12:11:09 UTC

yes, but the employers of the said peasants have more power

2018-09-23 12:11:17 UTC

becuase they have greater wealth

2018-09-23 12:12:28 UTC

Screw communism, but what stops them becoming the societal equivalent of Tsarist nobles

2018-09-23 12:13:33 UTC

Also the 'rule developing entity' functions as a single entity, but the 'peasants' are individuals or at best small groups

2018-09-23 12:13:39 UTC

Well not really, both the employer and the employee benefit from eachother symbiotically. The employer values the labour more than the $10 and the employee values the $10 more than the labour. Therefore what stops them from becoming agressive cunts is the fact that productivity is lessened when the incentive to work is decreased seeing as you will die if you work as quickly as if you dont @Dwarforn This was one of the failures of the USSR

2018-09-23 12:14:52 UTC

@MuChaDo Ancapistan will most likely be formed in America, a country where the rate of firearm ownership is greater than the fucking population and this is WITH the state's added "protection", once thats gone I expect it will increase drastically making it almost impossible for an agressor

2018-09-23 12:15:47 UTC

(Tsarist Nobility is clearly PRE COMMUNISM since its "Tsarist") Russian Nobles could claim Estateless nobility: obtained without the allotment and securing of a landed estate

2018-09-23 12:15:59 UTC

The "fucking population" has limited military capability

2018-09-23 12:16:15 UTC

Ancap = chess game in which neither player has to follow the rules. First move wins

2018-09-23 12:16:51 UTC

@AsianMessiah Yes, America will become a real life **Tom Clancy's: The Division**

2018-09-23 12:19:00 UTC

Well, for one the accumulation of such artilery takes time. Now, with the amount of information being passed through the internet increased, the likelyhood that we would be able to detect an oncoming storm of a warlord is high, Therefore we would value a few 100 bucks more than being enslaved and then will pay for assasins to take down a would-be warlord. The incentive for this to be an accurate and efficient process is high. Your chess game annalogy is flawed, the state has already decided the rules and flipped the board over anyways @MuChaDo

2018-09-23 12:19:21 UTC

@Dwarforn I have never played a Clancy

2018-09-23 12:20:02 UTC

Rainbow 6 Siege is good. It might be a good law enforcement model

2018-09-23 12:20:08 UTC

Way too expensive and full of autistic kids for me

2018-09-23 12:20:18 UTC

what, Siege?

2018-09-23 12:20:25 UTC

Yh

2018-09-23 12:20:29 UTC

its like $20

2018-09-23 12:20:45 UTC

Humble Bundle dude

2018-09-23 12:20:47 UTC

Ik, thats expensive nigga

2018-09-23 12:20:56 UTC

Lol, the Ancap is poor

2018-09-23 12:21:07 UTC

<:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

2018-09-23 12:21:36 UTC

The state's inflation (the tax that even 5 year olds have to pay) have hurt alot

2018-09-23 12:21:53 UTC

My $100 of savings can only buy like a fucking Chinese Hauwei

2018-09-23 12:22:08 UTC

The old ones

2018-09-23 12:22:11 UTC

The meme ones

2018-09-23 12:22:30 UTC

But you ARE American right? I Thought you guys always boast about how wealthy you are

2018-09-23 12:22:56 UTC

I'm not, I dont have a pound sign on my keyboard

2018-09-23 12:23:19 UTC

I dont have the time to go copy and paste it

2018-09-23 12:23:34 UTC

so you're a British Citizen?

2018-09-23 12:23:38 UTC

Yes

2018-09-23 12:23:44 UTC

🤔

2018-09-23 12:24:06 UTC

if that is the case you must earn minimum wage

2018-09-23 12:24:20 UTC

As in I earn minimum wage?

2018-09-23 12:24:21 UTC

£7.something per hour

2018-09-23 12:25:02 UTC

I dont earn yet nigga, I will once my last year of sixth-form is over tho

2018-09-23 12:25:08 UTC

Which is only a few months

2018-09-23 12:25:38 UTC

I'm being lectured about the glories of Anarchy by an edgy gen Z

2018-09-23 12:25:44 UTC

Lol

2018-09-23 12:25:48 UTC

lul

2018-09-23 12:25:52 UTC

Sorry gramps

2018-09-23 12:26:11 UTC

Would you like some fish oil for the arthritis?

2018-09-23 12:26:11 UTC

Nah, I'm a socially conservative late millenial

2018-09-23 12:26:49 UTC

The state is the ultimate nigga, it rapes everyone and says it dindu nuffin

2018-09-23 12:27:04 UTC

Nice metaphor kid

2018-09-23 12:31:24 UTC

also, £ symbol is Shift 3

Yup it works

2018-09-23 12:45:25 UTC

lol, Laptop-plebs

2018-09-23 12:47:57 UTC

#

2018-09-23 12:48:01 UTC

and i use desktop

2018-09-23 12:48:12 UTC

always

I'm a professional, I have a Mechanical Keyboard

2018-09-23 12:49:11 UTC

🤔 what on earth type of keyboard do you guys use

2018-09-23 12:49:26 UTC

American type? I use a QWERTY

2018-09-23 12:49:43 UTC

the UK type

my actual not joking Shift 3 is this

2018-09-23 12:50:04 UTC

Prolly US QWERTY its everywhere

2018-09-23 12:50:36 UTC

well UK QUERTY has different shift-keys. # is its own button

2018-09-23 12:50:55 UTC

shift + # = ~

2018-09-23 12:51:15 UTC

<:thronk:441701565607444482>

2018-09-23 12:51:47 UTC

# key is above Right Shift, and left of Enter

2018-09-23 12:51:48 UTC

does it also sport numpad?

2018-09-23 12:51:52 UTC

yes

no numpad, on keyboard atleast

2018-09-23 12:54:03 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/493404682186784795/IMG_20180923_1353051652.jpg

2018-09-23 12:54:08 UTC

Dusty boi

^ this

2018-09-23 12:55:35 UTC

my £ is Alt Gr 3 so it proof that £ is alt right then

2018-09-23 12:55:44 UTC

just moved out of storage. Dont judge me <:think_madpepe:378717098630971395>

2018-09-23 12:58:50 UTC

AECII knows the Truth! ♂ ♀

2018-09-23 12:59:14 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/493405985411694617/IMG_20180923_145644.jpg

Mine is Dusty too. I hear they have new ones you can run under the tap

2018-09-23 12:59:26 UTC

American model

2018-09-23 13:00:31 UTC

my gaming one broke a few years back, so started using ol' reliable again 👌

2018-09-23 13:01:48 UTC

how did you break it <:thronk:441701565607444482> was it allergic to a Monster Energy Drink

2018-09-23 13:03:35 UTC

na some of the keys stopped working (its not like razor or something) and I couldn't get it to work again

2018-09-23 13:04:28 UTC

it was a very off brand one that lasted 4-6 years

2018-09-23 13:06:04 UTC

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2018-09-23 13:07:15 UTC

my currency is just R

2018-09-23 13:07:52 UTC

no need for some fancy E looking thing

2018-09-23 13:13:48 UTC

Most pound signs dont even look like that

2018-09-23 13:13:55 UTC

Its a simpler way of writing it

2018-09-23 13:24:57 UTC

Our £ symbol is based on &

2018-09-23 15:04:31 UTC

demolished

pedant wearisome

No wonder this man basically raised me

POOOOOWWWWEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

2018-09-23 15:42:36 UTC

SPEEEEEEEEDDDDDD

2018-09-23 17:31:40 UTC

This video is long but worth it.

2018-09-23 17:42:03 UTC

Found this guy on the SPLC website, under their hatewatch section. Thanks SPLC for helping me find a fat red pill.

2018-09-23 17:48:07 UTC

you make SPLC sound useful now

2018-09-23 17:48:09 UTC

lol no wonder they don't like him, on his "14 Recommendations for President Trump":

```6.Create a strategy to address and systematically dismantle the Marxist Movement in the United States beginning with colleges/universities, as well as barring any Federal agency from receiving training from Marxist groups (to include the Southern Poverty Law Center)```

2018-09-23 17:50:13 UTC

Interestingly, Trump has done some things very in line with some of these 14 points.

2018-09-23 18:46:12 UTC

I got hit with "communism has never happened" at my school. The explained that it has never happened because marx thought everyone should care about everyone as much as they care about themselves or some shit. And thats why its utopian. Opinions?

2018-09-23 18:46:59 UTC

Utopian = 'Perfection', yet beauty is in the eye of the beholder

2018-09-23 18:47:56 UTC

~~national socialism wasnt real national socialism so lets try it again~~

2018-09-23 18:48:28 UTC

well a lot of people don't care shit about people not in the close social circle.

2018-09-23 18:49:01 UTC

Oh yeah btw. Is national socialism, socialism?

2018-09-23 18:49:22 UTC

The people are socialized, instead of industry

2018-09-23 18:50:18 UTC

The goal is the same I guess: to "fix" 'capitalism'

2018-09-23 18:51:20 UTC

they want to fix it in such a way they don't need to work anymore but have the standard of a capitalist nation. to bad it never going to work

2018-09-23 18:52:18 UTC

"This is my ideal form of government, because it means \*I* don't have to work."

2018-09-23 18:53:16 UTC

ahhhhh

2018-09-23 18:57:45 UTC

@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] Holy crap this video is eye opening

2018-09-23 19:52:17 UTC

@MountainMan yes the national socialists adopted musillinies socialist model and adapted it slightly. But in all 8ntent and purpose it was close enough to fall under the umbrella, though not enough to get musilinnis support of the version

2018-09-23 19:52:56 UTC

Ahhh okay thanks

2018-09-23 19:54:22 UTC

People just say it wasnt cause on paper the gov didnt own the means of production when hitler 'decentralized' it after the government took possession of it all. But the people given it were all controled by the gov anyways, just figureheads.

'Soft Nationalism'

I'm not invading this Factory for free

but this is my Cousin

and he manages this Factory now

2018-09-23 19:59:58 UTC

Its like. Billy runs the toilet paper plant. But i tell him how much to produce, when, and for how much

My previous example is more Venezuela

Nazi Germany to my mind was more

You own a Factory and if we tell you to make Inflable Dartboards or Chocolate Teapots you will

Even if the product is utterly stupid

you make it

2018-09-23 20:31:46 UTC

Someone define fascism plox

2018-09-23 20:38:10 UTC

I think it's when you say "I'm not a fascist"

2018-09-23 20:38:21 UTC

Because that's *exactly what a fascist would say*

2018-09-23 20:38:54 UTC

I am a fascist.

2018-09-23 20:38:56 UTC

Checkmate

2018-09-23 20:39:15 UTC

phwoaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh

2018-09-23 20:39:22 UTC

dab

2018-09-23 20:40:49 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/493522148057415681/cherrypicker.gif

2018-09-23 20:41:30 UTC

mood

2018-09-23 21:14:51 UTC

destroy raqqa and build it up again from the ashes

OUTSTANDING

I had a gf from Yemen

I've told this story before

but she would Hijab, cover her head, out of shyness

I said to her

Just don't cover your face

people won't like it

basic normal people

2018-09-23 21:52:14 UTC

cover hear no one will bat a eye as that is in western cultures as well, but cover face is a no no as in western culture only people that have bad intent cover there faces to hide it

I worded it as I cover my (long) hair with a beany

Hijab no issue

but if you cover your face, you are a bandit

Thisis merely an example and she understood what I mean't

2018-09-23 21:58:31 UTC

a traditional female head dressing from Scandinavia that is still in use in some circumstances

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/493541703467270154/bunad.jpg.6efcef59018475987ecbb1589dbb7241.jpg

2018-09-23 22:00:27 UTC

that one is heavy stylised as it belongs to a Folk costume but plain one is used a lot by old people and some religious

I only want to see the expressions on her face, she can wear her hair any way she likes

2018-09-23 22:02:28 UTC

I will not disagree on that, I want to see the face to the person I speak to

and that's the point I was trying to get to with ex Muslim Yemini gf

don't cover da face

it makes people comfortable

2018-09-24 07:57:13 UTC

Has anybody heard what Alex Jones has been talking about recently? I need some help trying to understand it.

2018-09-24 07:59:58 UTC

I think if I have the outline correct, it's something like:

```1. Obama declared something similar to martial law right before he left office.
2. This shifted power to the deep state.
3. Trump has an opportunity to stop this before it gets out of hand.
4. To do so, he must declare some other type of quasi-martial law.```

2018-09-24 11:18:29 UTC

https://youtu.be/unVS7y2_-94?t=1h11m14s

"100% of all published Islamic law since the 10th century obliges jihad until the entire world is under Sharia law, and 100% of all published Islamic law **only** defines jihad as warfare against non-Muslims."

🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
I need some sauce.

2018-09-24 15:19:34 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/493803689480421387/image0.jpg

2018-09-24 15:34:10 UTC

Satanist, druid and wiccan are missing from that

2018-09-24 15:34:17 UTC

Its not inclusive enough

2018-09-24 15:37:37 UTC

Welcome to the Ben Shapiro Show Election Special; we are in the midst of one of the most important election cycles of our lifetime


`B U T F I R S T`

Beaten by a Cartoon Frog

2018-09-24 16:13:20 UTC

burkas are gay change my mind

2018-09-24 16:13:26 UTC

hijabs are not gay change my mind

Cover your hair if you want but don't cover your face sweetheart

said by Broo 3 years ago to his Yemini 'gf'

There's no covering her face. Very Pretty 💙

2018-09-24 17:30:02 UTC

If so I can move it

2018-09-24 17:32:07 UTC

what is it?

2018-09-24 17:32:31 UTC

@AsianMessiah FOR FUCKS SAKES, WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING SERVER LINKS?

2018-09-24 17:32:49 UTC

Lol chill

2018-09-24 17:32:51 UTC

You were warned before not to post anymore fucking server links

2018-09-24 17:32:51 UTC

Its anarchy

2018-09-24 17:32:59 UTC

@Deleted User For debates

2018-09-24 17:33:19 UTC

fOr DeBaTeS

2018-09-24 17:33:32 UTC

debate servers are lame

2018-09-24 17:37:41 UTC

Oof

2018-09-24 19:46:24 UTC

asian messiah you have homo

2018-09-24 19:53:48 UTC

Labour Party Conference 2018 going well ... https://twitter.com/ShaykhahL/status/1043960227870240773

2018-09-24 19:59:26 UTC

Sar-GONE

2018-09-24 20:05:16 UTC

we might finally get that starship troopers video now

2018-09-24 20:08:18 UTC

Rip in peace

Starship troopers lads

2018-09-24 20:55:50 UTC

SERVICE TO KEKISTAN GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP

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