#politics-free-for-all (Discord ID: 372513679964635138) in /r/SargonOfAkkad (Sparta), page 11

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2017-11-07 21:44:44 UTC


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dis gun b gud.

2017-11-07 22:22:07 UTC

i hope everyone from virginia voted here...

2017-11-07 22:25:28 UTC

So who is here the less objectionable

2017-11-07 22:25:36 UTC

Not from Virginia, but I did vote

2017-11-07 22:26:20 UTC

Also thanks for sharing hours before the first results come in

2017-11-07 22:29:52 UTC

So from the list hat is on the website who have you voted for If I may ask

2017-11-07 22:32:57 UTC

So many scummy people

2017-11-07 22:33:08 UTC

Hope they get a long sentence

2017-11-07 22:33:09 UTC


2017-11-07 22:33:52 UTC

a death sentence is too good for some people

2017-11-07 22:34:45 UTC

So think Theresa will make it past the new year?

2017-11-07 22:35:10 UTC

If you are in favour of the death sentence than you are OK somethimes killing inocent people

2017-11-07 22:35:31 UTC

If they were innocent they shouldn’t have looked guilty

2017-11-07 22:35:37 UTC

Kill em anyway

2017-11-07 22:35:51 UTC

@DanConway This video by James Allsup ends with a quote I find quite off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqP7-G3unlk

2017-11-07 22:35:51 UTC

jeremy corbyn is too much of a nut job

2017-11-07 22:35:52 UTC

And let GOD sort them out

2017-11-07 22:36:12 UTC

ill check it out

2017-11-07 22:36:22 UTC

I keep hearing how the crusaders killed all non Christians when they took Jerusalem

2017-11-07 22:36:41 UTC

But didn’t the guy in charge of the city kick all the Christians out before the siege?

2017-11-07 22:38:02 UTC

I have yet to see a credible alternative to representative democracy

2017-11-07 22:38:57 UTC

Muh philosopher king

2017-11-07 22:39:15 UTC

muh benevolent tyrant

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2017-11-07 22:40:05 UTC

Or plutocracy I guess

2017-11-07 22:40:32 UTC

constitutional representative republic

2017-11-07 22:41:07 UTC

You are arguing semantics

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2017-11-07 22:41:49 UTC

it needs to be specific

2017-11-07 22:41:50 UTC

Republics are inherently democratic

2017-11-07 22:42:19 UTC

You still have elections

2017-11-07 22:42:39 UTC

You could argue a noble republic isnt

2017-11-07 22:42:47 UTC

that is the specific term we use in the US

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2017-11-07 22:43:10 UTC

> Democracy

2017-11-07 22:43:12 UTC

And a lot of tinpot dictatorships like to call themself republics

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2017-11-07 22:44:22 UTC

Ah sedition

2017-11-07 22:44:50 UTC

they would still be part of the US

2017-11-07 22:44:52 UTC

They had a chance several decades ago

2017-11-07 22:44:57 UTC

just breaking up the state

2017-11-07 22:44:59 UTC

Unfortunately their big rally was December 8th 1941

2017-11-07 22:45:50 UTC

Too bad they don't have a clause like Texas' constitution

2017-11-07 22:46:04 UTC

They reserve the right to divide into up to 5 separate states IIRC

2017-11-07 22:49:33 UTC

“If the right to vote were expanded to seven year olds … its policies would most definitely reflect the ‘legitimate concerns’ of children to have ‘adequate’ and ‘equal’ access to ‘free’ french fries, lemonade and videos.”

2017-11-07 22:49:51 UTC

-Hans-Hermann Hoppe

2017-11-07 22:50:50 UTC

What is the point you are trying to make here?

2017-11-07 22:51:50 UTC

oh it was a response to the quote Kulak refered too

2017-11-07 22:52:00 UTC

oh OK

2017-11-07 22:52:26 UTC

Can you give a TLDW?

2017-11-07 22:53:14 UTC

Democracy needs checks and balances.

2017-11-07 22:53:45 UTC

Yes otherwise it would be mob rule

2017-11-07 22:53:48 UTC

The Tyranny of the majority can be just as bad as the Tyranny of a Dictator

2017-11-07 22:54:32 UTC

Makes sense that collectivism forms a single body to act on others as a dictator

2017-11-07 22:55:22 UTC

That is why the founding fathers talked about "the Problem of Democracy"

2017-11-07 22:56:14 UTC

Democracy is the best system we currenty have

2017-11-07 22:56:20 UTC

No it’s gay

2017-11-07 22:56:29 UTC

It has flaws just like capitalism

2017-11-07 22:56:46 UTC

im just explaining why Constituitonal Representative Republic is the correct term

2017-11-07 22:57:08 UTC

Or indirect democracy

2017-11-07 22:57:17 UTC

We vote for people to vote not we vote

2017-11-07 22:57:38 UTC

I dont know how dirrect democracy could work in the US

2017-11-07 22:57:59 UTC

They have ballout initiatives and they get low turnout

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2017-11-07 22:58:57 UTC

You’d think 👌 is the only emoji on this server with how often it’s used

2017-11-07 22:59:18 UTC

“But the US prison system is worse than gulags it has more people!”

2017-11-07 23:05:34 UTC

Very similar to US mili kills more than terrorism

2017-11-07 23:06:18 UTC


2017-11-08 00:57:50 UTC

A republic has to be democratic.
But not democratic for the people.
It could just as easily be democratic for the elite, I.e nobility, the rich, other politicians etc. These are not new concepts.
Venice was a republic for example.

2017-11-08 01:05:03 UTC

Democracy is a spectrum

2017-11-08 01:06:14 UTC

I have more options than John or Joyce?

2017-11-08 01:06:35 UTC

Because this democracy of ours is full of choice

2017-11-08 01:08:32 UTC

Spectrums are a thing bro

2017-11-08 01:09:14 UTC

Collapsing issues into binaries is just as retarded as forcing binaries into spectrums

2017-11-08 01:20:17 UTC

'cause my vote junk

2017-11-08 01:20:19 UTC

it goes oh oh oh

2017-11-08 01:20:50 UTC

That's exactly the right message

2017-11-08 01:22:08 UTC

doesn't have to be either/or or or

2017-11-08 01:22:39 UTC

*mumbles something about voting Constitution Party*

2017-11-08 01:23:27 UTC

Muh third party

2017-11-08 01:24:23 UTC

Muh muh

2017-11-08 01:26:59 UTC

I actually do kind of want a third party now

2017-11-08 01:27:23 UTC

Because I no longer give a fuck about hurting the Democrats

2017-11-08 01:31:30 UTC

I think the last viable third party... was the prohibition party

2017-11-08 01:31:47 UTC

as far as a third party actually getting any serious political clout, at least

2017-11-08 01:32:33 UTC

most other smaller parties, as soon as they actually start to get traction, seem to wind up fracturing themselves with people getting waaaaaaay ahead of themselves int he powergrab sweepstakes

2017-11-08 01:34:53 UTC

dude @ 1:30 appears to be... "involuntarily transitioning"..

2017-11-08 01:44:59 UTC

Part of the problem there could be that third parties arise from the fringe of one end of the spectrum

2017-11-08 01:45:15 UTC

I would want some kind of more centrist party

2017-11-08 01:46:11 UTC

Gain bipartisan support as opposed to just fracturing one of the wings

2017-11-08 02:16:09 UTC

Did any of you guys watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REHex5e57HI

2017-11-08 02:16:17 UTC

Has a lot of dislikes.

2017-11-08 02:16:40 UTC

why the dislikes tho?

2017-11-08 02:16:46 UTC

that's what I'm wondering

2017-11-08 02:16:53 UTC

not that much tbh

2017-11-08 02:17:54 UTC

more than usual is all

2017-11-08 02:18:20 UTC

looking it the comments I'm guessing Candace was being very aggressive

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2017-11-08 02:21:22 UTC

i will watch this one and leave

2017-11-08 02:23:17 UTC

Woah........ right off the bat Candace is being a toooootal bitch

2017-11-08 02:24:50 UTC

Yeah this is why people downvoted for sure

2017-11-08 02:26:25 UTC

yeah this is much less of a debate and more of an embarrassing fight

2017-11-08 02:32:49 UTC

Im suprised Dave didn't lose it

2017-11-08 02:32:50 UTC

It's weird though

2017-11-08 02:33:01 UTC

there were like 50 and 100 dollar donations

2017-11-08 02:33:05 UTC

he is such a calm dude

2017-11-08 02:33:08 UTC

and some of them were very 'yay candace'

2017-11-08 02:33:16 UTC

you'll see what I mean when you get to the Q&A

2017-11-08 02:33:22 UTC

which must've lasted all of five fucking minutes

2017-11-08 02:33:23 UTC

but anyway

2017-11-08 02:37:46 UTC

this is so hard to watch, I keep having to stop and cool my jets

2017-11-08 02:38:01 UTC

man Dave is a saint for handling this so well

2017-11-08 02:39:07 UTC

oh yea he seems like he could moderate a convo between Amy Schumer and Hitler

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2017-11-08 02:50:19 UTC

what the fuck... someone oughta give candace a free ride in a helicopter

2017-11-08 02:50:25 UTC

It was a shit show

2017-11-08 02:50:45 UTC

this bitch is straight up yelling

2017-11-08 02:51:06 UTC

She even calls Blaire "he" a few times

2017-11-08 02:51:45 UTC

that was just a disgusting way to start a conversation, with the whole "you're a grown man" shit

2017-11-08 02:54:25 UTC

Candace is chimping out so hard. Every time she speaks she might as well just punch herself in the face instead.

2017-11-08 02:56:47 UTC

is there anything to take away from this that I can't figure out within the first 10 minutes?

2017-11-08 02:58:53 UTC

I just can't do it man, this is too much for me right now.

2017-11-08 03:19:35 UTC

I can't even👌

2017-11-08 03:19:49 UTC

That's odd

2017-11-08 03:49:25 UTC

I'm glad this is going on right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StRBL5vCUDI

2017-11-08 04:00:55 UTC

Gah I love patty politics

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holy crap this one is an hour long

2017-11-08 11:53:43 UTC

We aussies have the best politics tbh

2017-11-08 12:05:47 UTC

Except your shit policies...

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2017-11-08 12:08:43 UTC

We have the leader of the opposition party calling the PM a cunt and then saying it's the correct term, on the floor of Parliament

Much better than any amount of policy

2017-11-08 12:08:55 UTC

But oh god please someone help us with our shit policies

2017-11-08 12:58:23 UTC

A sad, but simultaneously hillarious read

2017-11-08 17:43:37 UTC

wait, when did Electricity Bill become the PM?

2017-11-08 19:48:45 UTC

At least someone is pointing out this retardation

2017-11-08 19:49:04 UTC

That Newsweek article triggered me

2017-11-08 19:52:31 UTC

it is pretty dumb

2017-11-08 19:53:29 UTC

It's toxic

2017-11-08 20:34:45 UTC

It’s cancer

2017-11-08 20:38:54 UTC

It’s **art**

2017-11-08 22:34:54 UTC

he speaks the tru tru

2017-11-08 22:43:32 UTC

I kinda dnc. Lapsed watching lately

2017-11-08 22:43:38 UTC

I love*

2017-11-08 22:44:40 UTC

he da best

2017-11-09 05:05:48 UTC

have any of you guys heard of the Fabian Society?

2017-11-09 05:08:12 UTC

apparently it's a democratic socialist organization operating in a very similar manner to the Frankfurt school, such that its basically a group to perpetuate communist/marxist ideology.

2017-11-09 05:08:25 UTC

Its logo is literally a wolf in sheep's clothing

2017-11-09 05:08:41 UTC

never heard of it

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2017-11-09 05:09:03 UTC

yeah I literally just found out about it and it sure is intrigeing

2017-11-09 05:09:29 UTC

hmm, I'll have to look into it more

2017-11-09 05:09:49 UTC

oh my gosh I can't type intriuging

2017-11-09 05:09:58 UTC

but yeah seems like something to look into

2017-11-09 05:10:00 UTC

apparently the labour party grew out of it

2017-11-09 05:10:27 UTC

Why do communist/socialist always choose symbolism that makes them look like classic bad guys?

2017-11-09 05:10:40 UTC

"They [Fabian Socialists] were going to create a just society for the British workers—the beginning of a welfare state, cheap council housing, free medicine and dental treatment, free spectacles, generous unemployment benefits. Of course, for students from the colonies, like Singapore and Malaya, it was a great attraction as the alternative to communism. We did not see until the 1970s that that was the beginning of big problems contributing to the inevitable decline of the British economy."

2017-11-09 05:20:40 UTC

So they chose their name by the inspiration of a Roman who used Guerilla-like military tactics to engage a superior army.

2017-11-09 05:21:14 UTC

So they're... Geurilla Intellectuals.

2017-11-09 05:21:29 UTC

edgy af

2017-11-09 05:22:40 UTC

"For the right moment you must wait, as Fabius did most patiently, when warring against Hannibal, though many censured his delays; but when the time comes you must strike hard, as Fabius did, or your waiting will be in vain, and fruitless."

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wtf does that mean then

2017-11-09 05:23:28 UTC

Sounds gay

2017-11-09 05:23:33 UTC

that's a creepy way to think about your ideological quest

2017-11-09 05:23:36 UTC

Fabian Society Colorized


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"The major influence on the Labour Party and on the English-speaking socialist movement worldwide, has meant that Fabianism became one of the main inspirations of international social democracy. An American Fabian Society was established in Boston in February 1895 by Rev. W. D. P. Bliss, a prominent Christian socialist.[42] The group published a periodical, The American Fabian, and issued a small series of pamphlets.[42] Around the same time a parallel organization emerged on the Pacific coast, centered in California, under the influence of socialist activist Laurence Gronlund.[42]"

2017-11-09 05:25:38 UTC

Communists looking dumb with an L on their forehead

2017-11-09 05:25:44 UTC

So they've since abondoned that logo, and changed it to a tortoise.

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fucking wow

2017-11-09 05:27:50 UTC

[Laurence] Gronlund is best remembered for his pioneering work in adapting the International Socialism of Karl Marx and Ferdinand Lassalle to the American idiom in his popular 1884 book, The Cooperative Commonwealth...and the American socialist movement of the 1880s and 1890s.

2017-11-09 05:28:48 UTC

no wonder Cali is so fucked up

2017-11-09 05:31:45 UTC

apparently this guy was pretty influential back in the day... I actually wonder how much of an impact he had

2017-11-09 05:33:37 UTC

Immediately upon its inception, the Fabian Society began attracting many prominent contemporary figures drawn to its socialist cause, including George Bernard Shaw, H. G. Wells...Even Bertrand Russell briefly became a member, but resigned after he expressed his belief that the Society's principle of entente (in this case, between countries allying themselves against Germany) could lead to war.

2017-11-09 05:33:45 UTC

Snapping turtles are more Badass

2017-11-09 05:34:09 UTC

They'll fuck you up and your entire family

2017-11-09 05:35:18 UTC

"The first Fabian Society pamphlets advocating tenets of social justice coincided with the zeitgeist of Liberal reforms during the early 1900s, including eugenics."

2017-11-09 05:35:35 UTC

what the fuck

2017-11-09 05:35:40 UTC

how far back does social justice go?

2017-11-09 05:35:52 UTC

this rabbit hole just keeps going

2017-11-09 05:36:51 UTC

"The Fabians lobbied for the introduction of a minimum wage in 1906, for the creation of a universal health care system in 1911"

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"Through the course of the 20th century the group has always been influential in Labour Party circles, with members including...more recently Shirley Williams, Tony Blair"

2017-11-09 05:44:17 UTC

"Direct or indirect Fabian influence may also be seen in the liberal socialism of Carlo Rosselli (founder, with his brother Nello Rosselli, of the anti-fascist group's Giustizia e Libertà)"

2017-11-09 05:44:28 UTC

of course they're allied with the anti-fascists

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"It'll get ya....eventually"

2017-11-09 06:19:18 UTC

Proactive misinformation

2017-11-09 07:11:47 UTC

yeah right, I'm in australia and just checked out the Fabian Society. I have no idea of the foothold they have here

2017-11-09 07:21:12 UTC

I hope they don't have a foothold

2017-11-09 07:21:19 UTC

our country is getting fucked enough as is

2017-11-09 07:21:27 UTC

we don't need those cunts making things worse

2017-11-09 12:48:18 UTC

Social justice probably goes a long way

2017-11-09 12:48:52 UTC

But, the social justice we now from our time, probably started or won more fame during gamegate I guess

2017-11-09 13:46:53 UTC

It's sad we have to constantly remind people that, if social justice was just, we would call it "justice".

2017-11-09 13:47:27 UTC

the power theyve had in past PM's is pretty intense but yeah, I guess we should be glad our climate isnt as full as say the US

2017-11-09 13:48:15 UTC

Much like when we point out to a family member that "medicine that has been proved to work" is called "medicine".

2017-11-09 14:25:45 UTC

Women- inherently good
Men- inherently evil

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2017-11-09 14:28:10 UTC

time to post "its ok to be white" in womens bathrooms?

2017-11-09 14:48:34 UTC

That's a smart idea, actually. To stop racism, why don't we just separate white people and ~~coloured people~~ people of colour in public facilities? Different bathrooms, entrances, sitting areas, drinking fountains. Why has nobody thought of this before?

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2017-11-09 16:09:13 UTC

Who would have guessed that Jim Crow was actually progressive.

Talk about a plot twist

2017-11-09 16:13:34 UTC

Bring back the Jim Crow statue reeeeeeeeeeeeeee

2017-11-09 16:25:44 UTC

so is r/politics full of neo-progressives. Was just having a look through and its hard not to go crazy not buying into the doctrine of it all

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2017-11-09 16:35:13 UTC

An entire sub dedicated to pointing out politics' absurdity

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2017-11-09 16:40:53 UTC

Im somewhat glad in not in the states but I live in an ultra-progressive bubble, sometimes its feels like fucking stasiland or something

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2017-11-09 17:36:06 UTC

The Republicans are wrong to simply lower the corporate income tax or look at a destination-based cash flow replacement. They should instead drop the rate to around 15% and impose a mark-to-market tax on shareholders at ordinary income, perhaps dragging the rate below 15% as revenue improves from other sources over the decades.
This may end up not working as well if their other changes to the tax code reduce revenue too much, but it’s a better option than potentially skirting the WTO regulations

2017-11-09 17:59:13 UTC


Wew. That went from zero-to-brutal in about 50 seconds.

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2017-11-09 18:07:16 UTC

Did I miss something?

2017-11-09 18:07:22 UTC

oh look, the thin orange line

2017-11-09 18:07:35 UTC

extra bonus for wearing orange if they're protesting Trump

2017-11-09 18:08:22 UTC

oh noes

2017-11-09 18:08:27 UTC

not the old 'no peace, no justice'

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..they're changing it backwards

2017-11-09 18:08:47 UTC

it's 'no justice, no peace'

2017-11-09 18:08:48 UTC

fuck's sake

2017-11-09 18:08:57 UTC

at least the Bush-era protestors could get *that* right

2017-11-09 18:09:03 UTC

y u do dis to me kulak

2017-11-09 18:09:15 UTC

you know I'm just gonna offer scatching running commentary on this shit

2017-11-09 18:09:19 UTC

'moccassins' now

2017-11-09 18:09:43 UTC

yes, I too demand comfortable indoor footwear

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it sounds like a tree full of birds at sunset

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they're so out of sync

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2017-11-09 18:10:11 UTC

'congress act now'

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