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2018-08-03 22:19:04 UTC

No i meant border patrol, also would the law makers not want salaries?

2018-08-03 22:21:00 UTC

There's never a need to create new laws. It's just a bureaucratic cesspit of self-interest. Also, local ordinances are still a thing.

Border patrol is a completely voluntary force. The monopoly on force at the border is held in-common.

2018-08-03 22:22:33 UTC

Ok agreed

2018-08-03 22:22:36 UTC

good talk

2018-08-03 22:22:43 UTC

๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป

2018-08-03 23:52:58 UTC

Border Patrol and the Military is Voluntary, but a salary is needed to keep them, and keep loyalty and prevent fraud.

As well, the 'Government protects property rights'. That incudes cops. Because you can defend your own, but what about when you are at work? Cops are there to aid with burglaries as well. And yes, Cops would want a salary as well.

2018-08-03 23:53:47 UTC

The NAP is a fallacy, that is devoid of human nature. Just as Communism is.

2018-08-03 23:54:35 UTC

Oh, this applies to federal governments only. You can keep your local cops, guaranteed.

2018-08-03 23:56:50 UTC

And the NAP isn't a 'law' or any sort of 'legalism', it's a political philosophy that you apply to things.

2018-08-03 23:58:30 UTC

It's step 1 in forming any policy:

"If I do X, am I aggressing against someone else? If so, how can I adjust my actions to prevent that?"

2018-08-03 23:59:58 UTC

The NAP is a logical extension of Liberalism and Natural Rights.

2018-08-04 00:01:33 UTC

My dick Will extend inyo ass

2018-08-04 00:02:24 UTC

Good luck jamming it in there first

2018-08-04 00:04:23 UTC

nice

2018-08-04 00:04:49 UTC

<:cleanyourroom:429612328192049152>

2018-08-04 00:06:06 UTC

Jordan joining too?

2018-08-04 00:06:10 UTC

Nicer

2018-08-04 00:24:06 UTC

Only issue is NAP ignores human nature. In the ANcapian form without a government/cops/ect. Human nature says, "Will it harm someone, probably. Do I want/need that item for survival. Yes. Fuck it."

2018-08-04 00:24:15 UTC

Or just to 'have' more

2018-08-04 00:24:33 UTC

No one disagrees with you

2018-08-04 00:25:28 UTC

It's not supposed to mimic human nature. Why would it? It's a *principle*.

2018-08-04 00:27:40 UTC

Anti-racism ignores human nature. Should we dispose of that?

2018-08-04 00:36:48 UTC

I'm anti-identitarian.

2018-08-04 00:36:58 UTC

And I'm pretty sure most are here as well.

2018-08-04 00:38:35 UTC

i like making distinctions

2018-08-04 00:38:42 UTC

lumping are cancerous

2018-08-04 00:38:48 UTC

pun intended

2018-08-04 01:12:32 UTC

Yea but as you can see in reality. *pRinciples* arnt universal.

2018-08-04 03:13:47 UTC

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki You're right, principles are not universal.

The other groups who have different principles are the actual enemy. Keep 'em out, or go to war with them, makes no difference to me.

2018-08-04 03:25:08 UTC
2018-08-04 03:31:06 UTC

Yeah, these things are going to be exciting to be driving next to.

2018-08-04 03:36:52 UTC

it might not even happen in the next 30 years

2018-08-04 03:36:59 UTC

we might get everything automated except cars

2018-08-04 03:37:04 UTC

haha

2018-08-04 03:38:46 UTC

I wouldn't mind semi-trucks being automated. The interstate, long haul ones at least. They go from distribution facility to distribution facility, and they usually drive unnecessarily reckless for a huge truck, blocking lanes of traffic

2018-08-04 03:48:00 UTC

still has all the same problems as normal self driving cars

2018-08-04 03:48:06 UTC

oops

2018-08-04 03:48:10 UTC

that goes in shitposting

2018-08-04 03:48:13 UTC

prolly

2018-08-04 04:32:59 UTC

Yeah, the one guy has a speech impediment, but he's not autistic.

2018-08-04 06:05:51 UTC

the abolish ice crowd
its a strategy
to assault you with so much stupidity that you don't know how to respond
is this how the conversation has degenerated?
i think its just low hanging fruit bait
so that we can't find cogent arguments for the people on youtube like contrapoints
and hbomberguy
the guys that give actual arguments that need debunking yknow?

2018-08-04 06:07:09 UTC

If people wanted to discuss topics civilly, AntiFa and the DNC wouldn't exist.

2018-08-04 06:08:50 UTC

i think its an accent

2018-08-04 06:08:53 UTC

you racist

2018-08-04 06:09:08 UTC

yeah but its not like the whole entire other side is antifa

2018-08-04 06:09:19 UTC

thats the low hanging fruit meant to assault you with stupidity

2018-08-04 06:09:24 UTC

It's *tolerated*

2018-08-04 06:09:27 UTC

yeah

2018-08-04 06:09:34 UTC

because they know they can assault us with stupidity

2018-08-04 06:09:45 UTC

Who's 'they'?

2018-08-04 06:10:10 UTC

the people that disagree with our ideas and support things like democratic socialism

2018-08-04 06:10:19 UTC

or remaining in the EU

2018-08-04 06:10:55 UTC

You think they're intelligent enough to have 'useful idiots' LARP around the world?

2018-08-04 06:11:03 UTC

of course

2018-08-04 06:11:10 UTC

That's a bit conspiratorial

2018-08-04 06:11:20 UTC

how'd they get into positions of authority

2018-08-04 06:11:24 UTC

through being intelligent

2018-08-04 06:11:37 UTC

they just see the world differently than us, and its our opinion that how they see the world is wrong

2018-08-04 06:11:40 UTC

It's a cultural feedback loop

2018-08-04 06:11:40 UTC

including my opinion

2018-08-04 06:11:53 UTC

well would you say that hbomberguy is intelligent

2018-08-04 06:11:55 UTC

i mean he is

2018-08-04 06:12:03 UTC

he's wrong about politics tho

2018-08-04 06:12:14 UTC

intelligent people can be unwise or politically ignorant

2018-08-04 06:12:36 UTC

Yes?

2018-08-04 06:12:41 UTC

yep

2018-08-04 06:12:58 UTC

I'm not saying they're dumb

2018-08-04 06:13:10 UTC

afk

2018-08-04 06:13:14 UTC

brb later

2018-08-04 07:26:42 UTC

ok im back

2018-08-04 07:26:45 UTC

they see the world differently

2018-08-04 08:48:35 UTC

@Deleted User I already know that C is filled with retards

2018-08-04 10:13:59 UTC

why dont jews like corbyn anymore?

when did they ever?

2018-08-04 10:27:16 UTC

None of your business <:swedenistan:382988769298481152>

2018-08-04 10:30:24 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/475249137655349248/image.jpg

2018-08-04 10:37:41 UTC

he looks jewish

2018-08-04 10:37:51 UTC

the hunch back of notre dame

2018-08-04 10:37:54 UTC

and the hulk

2018-08-04 10:38:01 UTC

ALL AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME

2018-08-04 10:38:14 UTC

and still too fucking smart for me

no wonder you want us to all live in tents

2018-08-04 10:41:47 UTC

well do you wanna catch a cold or not?

2018-08-04 11:00:46 UTC

oh vey

2018-08-04 11:51:41 UTC

very satisfactory

2018-08-04 11:51:51 UTC

sounds like how Jews describe sex

2018-08-04 14:48:19 UTC

`h o t l y c o n t e s t e d`

2018-08-04 14:54:58 UTC
2018-08-04 14:55:36 UTC

the fuck do you want homo

<:pepeping:466401908811235329>

2018-08-04 15:25:52 UTC

@turtwig I want yo opinion on 2e faggit

2018-08-04 15:26:22 UTC

so why didn't u just ask me nigga

2018-08-04 15:27:59 UTC

I've never played 2e

2018-08-04 15:28:52 UTC

so can't really comment

2018-08-04 15:29:05 UTC

and I haven't read the books

2018-08-04 18:53:02 UTC

<:thronk:441701565607444482>

2018-08-04 21:52:44 UTC

I think South Americans are predisposed to fuck everything up

2018-08-04 22:17:36 UTC

HMMMMMMMM?

2018-08-04 22:18:05 UTC

BTW the best video game of all time is

2018-08-04 22:18:11 UTC

Injustice 2

2018-08-04 22:52:35 UTC

this is <#372513679964635138> , retard

2018-08-05 02:39:48 UTC
2018-08-05 02:51:39 UTC

Depends on if they can keep their heads on straight or if they turn into the monster they were fighting in the first place

2018-08-05 04:16:46 UTC
2018-08-05 04:18:09 UTC

@Fitzydog inb4 the WNs form human barricadaes

2018-08-05 04:18:15 UTC

and inconvience everyone

2018-08-05 04:18:27 UTC

and cause a dip in earnings

2018-08-05 06:32:08 UTC

I don't know what this Qanon thing is but if the media hates it so much it must be something significant https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=qanon

2018-08-05 06:33:07 UTC

CNN, Vice, MSNBC, WaPo, CBC, they all want everyone to think it's a conspiracy theory.

2018-08-05 06:33:45 UTC

Yeah apparently all the news outlets got the same memo on the same day to trash Q and it's followers as total conspiracy theory

2018-08-05 06:35:09 UTC

If you want to know more about it, i'd recommend a guy called "praying medic" on youtube. seems to be about the most rational voice on it

2018-08-05 06:35:37 UTC

yeah I actually just found him

2018-08-05 06:35:52 UTC

giving it a listen now

2018-08-05 06:36:07 UTC

he has a few good introduction to Q videos I found quite interesting

2018-08-05 06:40:44 UTC

this sounds like a really elaborate troll

2018-08-05 06:42:56 UTC

I'm trying to look into the "proofs" more atm and trying to be as sceptical as i can be. most of the proofs given are highly circumstantial and/or coincidental but there's maybe 2 or 3 that do prove Q is someone who has had direct access to Trump on at least 3 occasions and has had direct knowledge of his twitter feed in advance. i don't think it's a complete troll, there's definitely "something" in it, but how much, I can't say.

2018-08-05 06:45:46 UTC

I'm trying to look at the evidence in a "would it stand up in court" way and tbh, most of it doesn't, but there are some bits that do prove it's definitely someone with direct access to Trump

2018-08-05 06:48:39 UTC

but it could just as easily be something stupid like a social media staffer or an intern. they've definitely had prior knowledge of tweets Trump was about to put out up to 9 minutes before he sent them

2018-08-05 06:48:48 UTC

Jesus man. The wiki page sources all these recent news reports calling it a conspiracy theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

2018-08-05 06:49:09 UTC

this really looks like a propaganda campaign

2018-08-05 06:50:35 UTC

Yeah the media are desperately trying to play it off as a conspiracy theory. and it literally all started on the same day. nobody in the media had mentioned q before then literally 90% of the news orgs in the western world all trashed Q within a 36 hour period

2018-08-05 06:51:09 UTC

how long has Q been around?

2018-08-05 06:52:12 UTC

first post was October 28, 2017

2018-08-05 06:52:32 UTC

ive only been following it for about 10 days tho

2018-08-05 06:57:59 UTC

if it does turn out to be a larp, it's an amazingly elaborate one and whilst i'd be secretly quite disappointed, i'd also be proper impressed that someone pulled it off this far and this deep.

2018-08-05 07:01:05 UTC

medic says this post "reveals" a whole bunch of information

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/475558850939060244/Screenshot_214.png

2018-08-05 07:01:23 UTC

have you seen it? thoughts?

2018-08-05 07:02:00 UTC

the most peculiar thing to me is "what is the one organization left that isn't corrupt?"

2018-08-05 07:02:10 UTC

meaning... there's only one organization left which isn't corrupt

2018-08-05 07:04:17 UTC

and the whole thing seems to suggest it's DoD

2018-08-05 07:05:24 UTC

Which wouldn't surprise me. With Mattis in charge I imagine shit don't fly too far.

2018-08-05 07:06:19 UTC

yeah it sounds like dod, hence trump surrounding himself with generals

2018-08-05 07:07:34 UTC

3 letter agencies are corrupt af, hence why they always leak... dod never leaks a damn thing tho

2018-08-05 07:07:49 UTC

lol on that tiny wiki page the word conspiracy occurs 43 times

2018-08-05 07:09:29 UTC

doesn't surprise me at al lol. prayingmedic went over it in detail in the last day or two, really interesting stuff and most of it rings true

2018-08-05 07:10:24 UTC

he literally follows the timeline of the media getting their orders to cover the story and they all drop at the same time in a coordinated attack

2018-08-05 07:10:58 UTC

operation mockingbird never went away

2018-08-05 07:11:55 UTC

The page also sources Right Wing Watch. I mean if this page isn't biased then we must not be in Kansas anymore.

2018-08-05 07:13:53 UTC

lol, they even reference sean spicers ama on T_D which was only like yesterday when he denied q was a thing lol

2018-08-05 07:14:54 UTC

me thinks the wiki doth protest too much

2018-08-05 07:15:13 UTC

You seen #conspiracies on the JBP server? 70% of the shit posted is just this... stuff.

2018-08-05 07:15:41 UTC

link? i'm not on the jbp server

2018-08-05 07:15:53 UTC

<#380751840750469125>

2018-08-05 07:19:02 UTC

apparently Q made a string of predictions which failed

2018-08-05 07:19:29 UTC

like saying HRC would be arrested and there would be staged riots

2018-08-05 07:19:43 UTC

according to one article

2018-08-05 07:20:54 UTC

strikes me as another silly tinfoil RPG

2018-08-05 07:21:36 UTC

In fact it'd be more likely for it to be a counterop to make more mainstream Trump supporters sound like gullible idiots

2018-08-05 07:22:10 UTC

And even then it's more likely just a guy (or even a few) running around making 'prophetic' generalised statements on the internet

2018-08-05 07:22:11 UTC

Honestly the only reason I think it might be anything is that the media is attacking it so much.

2018-08-05 07:22:29 UTC

Well people have been showing up at Trump rallies with 'Q' signs now

2018-08-05 07:22:36 UTC

So they're probably salivating at the thought

2018-08-05 07:22:37 UTC

don't think i have access to the conspiracies on the jbp server.. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

2018-08-05 07:22:37 UTC

But yes I thought that, perhaps it's just something to embarrass Trump supporters.

2018-08-05 07:22:43 UTC

Of painting mainstream Trump supporters as kooks

2018-08-05 07:23:30 UTC

but also this wiki page which seems to have been put together very quickly and sources very recent things, it's like there's someone working to discredit the whole thing

2018-08-05 07:24:03 UTC

in regards to the HRC not getting arrested yet, q did say it would take time, lots of lower level peops need to be dealt with first but it's apparently on track

2018-08-05 07:25:12 UTC

LOL FUCKIN' DUMB LIBS BELIEVING IN THE WAGE GAP N' SHIT

2018-08-05 07:25:29 UTC

HEY MAN HILLAR GONNA GET ARRESTED ALONG WITH HER VAST NETWORK OF DEEP STATE OPERATIVES THIS DUDE ON THE INTERNET WHO USES A LETTER AS HIS NAME TOLD ME

2018-08-05 07:25:46 UTC

It really appears as though somebody has flooded the channels with "Q is a conspiracy" to make it difficult to take an actually balanced view of the situation.

2018-08-05 07:26:51 UTC

I haven't yet seen any of this supposed evidence that Q has access to top level intelligence.

2018-08-05 07:27:08 UTC

And the fact that it's all 4chan posts is the most ridiculous thing

2018-08-05 07:27:37 UTC

like that is what makes it sound fucking autistic honestly XD

2018-08-05 07:29:08 UTC

yup, im hugely sceptical but i have an open mind and if i see provable evidence one way or the other, I'l accept it but as yet, it's still very much up for grabs

2018-08-05 07:29:39 UTC

"The theory centers around an anonymous source, Q, who is trying to tell the world about a secret battle being waged by Trump and special counsel Robert Mueller against a pedophile ring filled with celebrities and political elites. "

2018-08-05 07:29:43 UTC

Is this an accurate take?

2018-08-05 07:30:57 UTC

it's partly true i guess... but it leaves a lot of information out. it's not the full story

2018-08-05 07:31:38 UTC

besides what it leaves out, is that at least one aspect of it? Q has talked about pedophile rings?

2018-08-05 07:31:45 UTC

They make it sound like it's all being fought in a labyrinthine underground government complex, like something from Cabin in the Woods

2018-08-05 07:32:14 UTC

Because claims of elaborate pedophile rings has been a common thing among actual far-right people.

2018-08-05 07:34:14 UTC

yeah i think Q has referenced pedos and child trafficking for the purposed of pedos etc

2018-08-05 07:34:37 UTC

but it's by no means the main focus of the plan/operation

2018-08-05 07:55:05 UTC

I don't know. I think until there's something obviously worth paying attention to, I'm going to go ahead and apply Occam's Razor on this one.

2018-08-05 08:01:23 UTC

yeah it's definitely worth keeping an eye on. i'm probably going to start going through medics videos from the start just to follow along properly and really make my mind up.

2018-08-05 08:01:47 UTC

another thing you should look into atm is wikileaks

2018-08-05 08:03:21 UTC

i've been hearing whispers they've been compromised and there's all sorts of nefarious shit going on but it's hard to follow everything and Q at the same time.... not enough hours in the day ffs

2018-08-05 08:06:29 UTC

I thought Assange was at risk of being extradited to the UK and arrested.

2018-08-05 08:07:01 UTC

something like that

2018-08-05 08:08:51 UTC

apparently he is, equador is trying to revoke his citizenship so they can kick him out of the embassy and hand him over to the UK cops, but the wikileaks website and social media accounts appear to be compromised

2018-08-05 08:10:07 UTC

what does compromised mean in this case?

2018-08-05 08:12:04 UTC

i honestly don't know, it could literally be anyone in control of the accounts... they've been posting some kinda out of character stuff and losing support from certain demos of their supporters.

2018-08-05 08:14:03 UTC

there's been a big push by a new group, unity4j, which appears to be spearheaded by kim dotcom to secure wikileaks and julian but i don't know if that's 'because' wiki has been compromised or just as a reaction to the equador situation going crazy

2018-08-05 08:15:09 UTC

Well from what I know Wikileaks gets flak from both sides depending on what their latest is. They've leaked things which have hurt both left and right, and when they do there's always someone trying to say something like they're compromised or they're Russian operatives or whatever.

2018-08-05 08:16:53 UTC

yeah that's true but there was something monumental recently, i can't remember what it was now specifically that was batshit crazy, even for them, that started the whole thing. I must look back through their timeline

2018-08-05 08:17:19 UTC

well apparently they questioned the legitimacy of Qanon or something like that

2018-08-05 08:17:24 UTC

maybe that was it

2018-08-05 08:19:46 UTC

no, got it now... they were doxxing ICE employees names and addresses

2018-08-05 08:20:15 UTC

proper far-left stuff... they've never done anything like that before afaik

2018-08-05 08:31:00 UTC

Here's a comment I posted on An0maly's video on Qanon which mostly sums up my attitude on it from what I've seen.

2018-08-05 08:31:01 UTC

Occam's Razor would suggest that Qanon is just an elaborate high-tier troll. Accurate predictions are not proof and from what I've seen, that's all the' evidence' that's been had. Now, if there were consistently accurate predictions to the extent that it would be nearly impossible without insider information, then perhaps that would be something to consider, but I haven't seen that. What I fear is that it will encourage conspiratorial thinking under the guise of "doing your own research", bring out the worst elements of the right just before the mid-terms, and scare away potential voters from the center. Sure, it would be great if people spent a bit more time to pursue the truth on their own, but having a habit of making over-reaching claims and then seeking out information which just confirms those biases is not legitimate research because at that point it's all agenda driven. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Therefore without that evidence, every component of critical thinking says that something like Qanon should be met with serious doubt.

2018-08-05 08:38:14 UTC

yeah i've noticed the hardcore believers are getting increasingly desperate for proof and evidence that they're finding it literally everywhere and 99% of it is absolutely NOTHING while these people are jumping around celebrating that they've got full confirmation that it's all real. like today there was a Trump address where he said something and it sorta sounded like he might have said Q (but could just as easily have been something else) and they're all fapping themselves silly like it's the second coming when it is more than likely nothing.

2018-08-05 08:39:25 UTC

Not sure if this will work.. but they're loving this over on reddit.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/475583594669277194/g253y.mp4

2018-08-05 08:40:28 UTC

lol

2018-08-05 08:40:32 UTC

Ok, apparently it did work... this is "proof" to these people lol. Personally, I need a little more evidence than that lol

2018-08-05 08:40:57 UTC

that's definitely some bullshit right there

2018-08-05 08:41:46 UTC

and apparently Trump has done hand gestures recently at his events that are the shape of the letter Q... so they're fapping at that too

2018-08-05 08:41:49 UTC

these people aren't doing themselves or anyone else on the right any favors

2018-08-05 08:42:04 UTC

oh god

2018-08-05 08:42:13 UTC

this is as bad as the Russiagaters

2018-08-05 08:42:38 UTC

well we should have known something like this would come about eventually

2018-08-05 08:42:57 UTC

Yeah, don't get me wring, I'm still open to believing but I need more concrete evidence and that just aint it for me.

2018-08-05 08:43:07 UTC

Someting like this coming true is ~~like~~ a channer's wet dream.

2018-08-05 08:43:59 UTC

the only things that i believe so far are the photos from inside air force one and the q posts that quoted Trump tweets before the tweets were posted

2018-08-05 08:45:24 UTC

oh and maybe the photos from outside Avanettis office coz the FBI did get involed after that one lol

2018-08-05 08:45:41 UTC

Whaddya mean?

2018-08-05 08:45:52 UTC

which part?

2018-08-05 08:46:17 UTC

FBI involved?

2018-08-05 08:48:37 UTC

it's related to q-drop 1752 & 1754, q posted photos of Avanettis office and a spook looking motherfucker and Avanetti apparently shit his pants

2018-08-05 08:52:06 UTC

sauce?

2018-08-05 08:58:10 UTC

check the qdrops on qanon.pub and scroll to the relevent posts with the drop number. or for a better explanation, medics video covering those posts would be best.

2018-08-05 08:58:30 UTC

it was in the last day or two so not hard to find

Kid got Red Pilled the hard way

2018-08-05 09:07:04 UTC

@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] Q was right about the pope was gonna have a bad time. I donโ€™t know if everythings true, But I think its worth to keep an open mind.

2018-08-05 09:30:13 UTC

Can't even antifa properly

In Europe we have REAL AntiFA

2018-08-05 09:50:06 UTC

naa. Theyโ€™re violent too.

<:thronk:441701565607444482>

2018-08-05 12:17:36 UTC

So Trump really is economically ignorant after all

Depends on your angle

2018-08-05 15:38:21 UTC

How is that *not understanding economics*. It makes sense. Basically he is saying we are getting tariffed/taxed. And so we should tarriff/tax them. And they then have a choice. Lower tarriffs or make it here.

2018-08-05 15:39:18 UTC

The countries tariffing th us make it harder for the us to compete in their markets. Why not do the same?

2018-08-05 18:36:47 UTC

Because tariffs are a tax on the American people.

2018-08-05 18:37:02 UTC

And actually hurt the economy.

2018-08-05 18:37:40 UTC

4%

2018-08-05 18:37:42 UTC

just sayin

2018-08-05 18:38:49 UTC

The world average is tiny but 0 would be better

2018-08-05 18:40:48 UTC

Tarrifs are a tax on the country of origin that the country of origins people get no benifit from. So makes sense. Counter tarriff until a better deal. And tell manufactures deal with it or come here.

2018-08-05 18:42:03 UTC

Depends on the good. Dairy to canada from the US is 270% depending on product

2018-08-05 18:42:24 UTC

thats over 2.5 times the cost

2018-08-05 18:43:34 UTC

I'm super confused about how to tax people if you shouldn't tarrif nor should you have an income tax

2018-08-05 18:43:46 UTC

So just a flat sales tax?

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