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2018-06-04 23:53:40 UTC

or dominated

2018-06-04 23:53:44 UTC

dude is a sub, i'm telling you

2018-06-04 23:53:56 UTC

So we're supposed to discuss politics here

2018-06-04 23:54:22 UTC

Guess that would explain the name of the channel.

2018-06-04 23:55:08 UTC

Fascism suffers from the same problem monarchism does, the minute the position is chosen only by the will of some exalted class the risk of incompetent and malicious leadership increases exponentially.

2018-06-04 23:55:09 UTC

It would seem the General subject of this server would be politifcs

2018-06-04 23:55:11 UTC

but thats fine

2018-06-04 23:55:35 UTC

Personally I consider politics to be stuff that politicians do, and that the stuff we were talking about in <#372507611284766722> was philosophy, which is basically all Sargon ever talks about when he's not talking about politics.

2018-06-04 23:55:45 UTC

But the birds have spoken.

2018-06-04 23:55:45 UTC

Fascism in the long run degenerates into a hereditary oligarchy or monarchy which is an unsustainable system of government

2018-06-04 23:55:57 UTC

Well, political philosoiphy I suppose ....I figure the names were shorthand

2018-06-04 23:56:20 UTC

broad categories

2018-06-04 23:56:25 UTC

Yeah.

2018-06-04 23:56:47 UTC

Its discord not a 500 level class description

2018-06-04 23:56:49 UTC

lol

2018-06-04 23:58:06 UTC

That's an exceedingly retarded statement on your end, simply because it is on the platform does not in any way shape or form mandate a certain style of content unless stated by the corporation itself.

2018-06-05 00:11:13 UTC

Huh? Why do you think fascists are incapable of creating a legal structure....

2018-06-05 00:12:44 UTC

Unfortunately what we're seeing is a long run on liberalism that reveals moral weakness, subversion by collectives and by oligarch's without regard to the people's best interests... This was no less true in the 1900's

2018-06-05 00:13:17 UTC

Globalism, transhumanism, ethnocracy, etc

2018-06-05 00:13:33 UTC

Democracy subverted by big money power

2018-06-05 00:14:06 UTC

A more Fascist system would protect the intrinsic Western world that you actually love

2018-06-05 00:32:31 UTC

this is a really low energy raid.

2018-06-05 00:32:31 UTC

'If a president can pardon himself,' this isn't a democracy

2018-06-05 00:32:58 UTC

does Schumer not know what the definition of democracy is?

2018-06-05 00:40:10 UTC

It's not a raid, ๐Ÿคก

2018-06-05 00:47:27 UTC

Here's an example of Islam setting the cultural norms instead of the west
https://www.thelocal.fr/20180530/france-bans-big-screen-zones-for-world-cup-over-terror-fears

2018-06-05 00:47:30 UTC

Emphasis on the Low Energy

2018-06-05 00:48:03 UTC

Islam just blows up or threatens to bomb non-Islamic events, to assert their dominance or whatever

2018-06-05 00:48:43 UTC

So, what you liberalists don't realize is that a culture is being asserted, and its not yours....in fascism, its your culture

2018-06-05 00:49:46 UTC

You're willing to lose the cutlure civilizaitonal war, as long as "muh individualism" is still a legal precept that is safeguarded....thats fanatic.

2018-06-05 00:50:05 UTC

^ muh collectivism

2018-06-05 00:50:08 UTC

letting your ideology be your suicide pact.

2018-06-05 00:50:38 UTC

cult of individualists

2018-06-05 00:50:56 UTC

Yes, collectives exist, pretending they dont is not seeing the world with clear eyes..

2018-06-05 00:52:11 UTC

you can enjoy the snowflake collective

2018-06-05 00:54:30 UTC

I think collectivism is a lot like religion. It's literally impossible to fully support it.

Best you can do is pick one of the infinite sects and support that, and reject all the rest.

Individualists just go one sect further.

2018-06-05 00:56:39 UTC

Well, Fascism lost, Communism lost, Islam is just another in a line of retards

2018-06-05 00:57:38 UTC

Of course, using bullwhips amazing logic, we should imitate the people being retards to own the retards

2018-06-05 01:15:33 UTC

I've been thinking lately about the SJW-ifying of movies and games and TV shows and such.

2018-06-05 01:15:53 UTC

I think I'm going to stop accusing creators of doing that unless they admit it.

2018-06-05 01:16:52 UTC

Like Ghostbusters is still on the table for criticism because they're proud of it, but if I just pick up something like Gone Home and they're not saying the reason why they chose a lesbian romance is in order to promote social justice, then I'm just going to assume the best of their motives until proven otherwise.

2018-06-05 01:18:32 UTC

And honestly even if they do admit to having a SJW bias the art could still be good, like Buffy The Vampire Slayer.

2018-06-05 01:19:37 UTC

I think it's really sad that I'm forced to wonder, every time I pick up a piece of art, 'Is this SJW propaganda designed to manipulate me?'... I don't want to wonder that! I just want to enjoy it.

2018-06-05 01:19:49 UTC

But I think I'm going to start erring on the side of enjoying things for what they are.

2018-06-05 01:21:17 UTC

The thing I am *much more* concerned about are the things that they're *removing.* Like if you want to make a story about a black person struggling with the fact that he's in the inner city and everyone is a thug who's on welfare... you wouldn't be allowed. That just wouldn't see the light of day.

2018-06-05 01:21:43 UTC

Feminizing the Ghostbusters is nothing compared to the crime of suppressing some raw and interesting story.

2018-06-05 01:46:44 UTC

Because of the values you listed, you described cultural stereotypes, that are easily subject to change. @Cream Man

2018-06-05 01:47:08 UTC

@Cream Man well I have, and do.

2018-06-05 01:47:12 UTC

You say that, but they have persevered for hundreds of years

2018-06-05 01:47:42 UTC

Only to all but disappear

2018-06-05 01:48:04 UTC

Perhaps that is evidence of a genetic link to culture

2018-06-05 01:48:08 UTC

I mean, shit i'll do what i can to fight it, but if it's fucked it's fucked.

2018-06-05 01:48:28 UTC

genetics is not linked to culture.

2018-06-05 01:48:57 UTC

Well we are speaking right now, about a culture of hundreds of years being wiped away

2018-06-05 01:49:02 UTC

And what is the variable

2018-06-05 01:50:16 UTC

The destruction of the ethnic homogeneity of Europe is atleast something worth considering, we see what happened in Yugoslavia

2018-06-05 01:50:29 UTC

Whether that is

2018-06-05 01:50:42 UTC

As a result of the refusal to integrate within ethnic communities

2018-06-05 01:50:45 UTC

Or actual genetics

2018-06-05 01:50:47 UTC

Ethnicity means nothing, cultural compatibility is everything.

2018-06-05 01:50:50 UTC

Both are interesting

2018-06-05 01:51:21 UTC

Why do you think ethnicity means nothing?

2018-06-05 01:51:29 UTC

Out of curiosity

2018-06-05 01:51:43 UTC

Because identity with the culture plays a far more important role.

2018-06-05 01:52:40 UTC

Considering intelligence is linked to genetics, why would it be hard to believe that some other social and psychological traits might be the same way

2018-06-05 01:53:06 UTC

Which might evolve over time into distinct cultures

2018-06-05 01:53:06 UTC

....

2018-06-05 01:53:19 UTC

Today in โ€œGiant Leaps of Logicโ€

2018-06-05 01:53:30 UTC

Is that a giant leap

2018-06-05 01:53:45 UTC

It's a fucking giant oversimplification of genetics for a start.

2018-06-05 01:53:46 UTC

It really is

2018-06-05 01:55:39 UTC

Outside of outright genetic conditions, intelligence has an insane degree of variables that effect it, nevermind that intelligence is somewhat subjective.

2018-06-05 01:57:11 UTC

A country with a high degree of agricultural resources will always have a higher base IQ than one with greater industrial resources for instance. look at north and south korea for instance.

2018-06-05 01:57:35 UTC

Actually, now that you mention it, thats a really good example

2018-06-05 01:57:58 UTC

I think you are assuming correlation is causation here

2018-06-05 01:58:28 UTC

I'm really not. If you can't eat, your brain won't be working at peak performance.

2018-06-05 01:58:47 UTC

Maybe the environment in more agriculturally suitable areas creates a climate where natural selection picks more intelligent people

2018-06-05 01:59:41 UTC

Where are areas with this less so, like sub-Saharan Africa, physical capabilities are more important for reproductive success

2018-06-05 01:59:53 UTC

That argument could definitely be made

2018-06-05 01:59:58 UTC

Why are people that don't have access to regular and stable sources of nutrition shorter? why when those countries gain sustainable agricultural resources have the average height increased?

2018-06-05 02:00:24 UTC

That is fair

2018-06-05 02:00:35 UTC

same thing works with the capacity of the brain.

2018-06-05 02:00:49 UTC

Theyโ€™re putting chemicals in the grain, that turns the frickin midgets tall, do you understand that

2018-06-05 02:01:29 UTC

Ok, so why do certain ethnic groups living in the West still have lower average IQs than other groups

2018-06-05 02:02:07 UTC

Inbreeding

2018-06-05 02:02:15 UTC

That's a good question.

2018-06-05 02:02:32 UTC

If it is inbreeding then it is genetic kek

2018-06-05 02:02:56 UTC

I thought we were talking about there being multiple influence on intellegence

2018-06-05 02:03:15 UTC

That would imply that there would be more that one factor @Deleted User ?

2018-06-05 02:03:49 UTC

Well there's a shit ton of factors. intelligence is complicated.

2018-06-05 02:04:08 UTC

IQ is changed very little by the level of education

2018-06-05 02:05:19 UTC

@Cream Man
It's the environment

2018-06-05 02:05:22 UTC

What about cultural attitudes though? I think it would be interesting to compare the IQ of people that maintain a british identity with those from the same culture without.

2018-06-05 02:05:31 UTC

it's literarry on the same paper that talks about heritability

2018-06-05 02:06:02 UTC

the author compares it to height, who also have a high heritability and it's also heavily influenced by environment

2018-06-05 02:06:04 UTC

page 17

2018-06-05 02:06:06 UTC

go there

2018-06-05 02:06:08 UTC

have fun

2018-06-05 02:06:23 UTC

*grabs popcorn*

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