heres a suggestion: make a constitution that prevents tyrants from even being able to enforce their will and back it up with several million rifles.

They have the first part of that

without the second it means nothing

@Werlf mussolini was elected

Oh ok

honestly what is stopping merkel from right here right now declaring martial law and siezing control?

our lack of a presidential system

macron can do that

Merkel can't

her need of not doing it since she has been elected for like 16 years?

why not? who will stop her?

admittedly I find that to be a fault of France's

because she's going to get kicked out

by whom?

by the other elected officials

dissolve their positions.

for merkel to cease control, all institutions would have to conspire at the same time

with our separate pillars that's nearly impossible

oppress them, sieze power, tell everyones its for the greater good etc. this has happened a hundred times throughout history.

we have other parties?

the CDU is only like a quarter or third of the Bundestag

The ones that conspired to maintain her?

I will say this.

If you guys @radeon @Deleted User think that because you have guns you will never be dominated or never will live under a tyrannical government, you guys already have the mindset to live under a tyrannical government

sure, *now* you do, but what about in 50 years?

for changes to the constitution there needs to be a 3/4ths majority

mma fighter is kinda right actually

no one said that @Fulcrum010

in 50 years the same pillars will be in place or we will have unelected Merkel

@Deleted User
Radeon said that

oh ok

we are not free because we have guns we have guns because we are free. You are not free.

i didnt

CDU and SPD are hemorhaging seats in both federal and state government positions

And we go back to the same point....

if your freedoms can be taken from you effortlessly you don't have them. they are meaningless words on paper.

Our government isn't Merkel

there's hundreds of people

i was using merkel as an example

who have to act consciously and conspiratorially

for even the remotest erosion to our systems to happen

The only loophole of oppression they have is the EU

my point is you have no idea what might happen in the future, which is the point of having a citizenry-backed constitution.

as it supercedes many aspects of a country's legal system

and their actions in the EU

are causing them to lose support

hence why the AFD has become the second strongest party

i'll give you a more plausible example, its 2040, greece decides to cecede from the EU and the EU army invades. what now?

we unelect whatever party approved this and put an anti EU party in power

lol

this austism is

or we continue to elect the party that thought it was a good idea because we thought it was a good idea

its fairly obvious that a totally armed people are impossible to oppress without killing everyone which would defeat the purpose of occupying a territory.

other than resources

India and all the colonies got their independence just fine without toting guns

because it was given to them, dumbass.

That is because Britain isn't a dictatorship

I just find this idea of voting away the tyranny to absurd

Britain isn't a dictatorship yes

@Ϻ14ᛟ it wasn't , now I'm not so sure

but it didn't exactly get given to themn

there was nothing stopping the british from continuing to oppress the indians, they stopped for diplomatic reasons.

You know Gandhi said if it were any other nation in control of India they would have already put a bullet in his head for rallying against him

But British people were not like that, despite occupying the land

my point isn't that Britain was tyrannical

Britain isn't a dictatorship ~~yes~~ yet

because liberalism

@radeon It will never happen to us is the mindset wich gets you into the siad situation in the first place

my point is that there are other ways of achieving freedom than guns or elections

it's both wrong to state elections or guns are foolproof

you had to find a very niche case in which a country intentionally surrendered control

india didn't win their independence, they were granted it out of the kindness of the english.

Let's look at Spain and Catalonia... Spain now holds a political prisoner for allowing a referendum on independence.

and he's gaining public support

while spain is losing it

you saw the police switching sides to the catalans during the first batch of riots

in case of such a dire threat

the army and police don't comply either

I saw police from Catalonia trying to stop violence, the Spanish police trying to beat everyone down.

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because of the german bankers

@franti that isn't my mindset. The US was founded for any by domestic terrorists. We have a natural extreme skepticism of government power.

hence why I say guns are culture

do you think catalonia wouldn't be free if they were armed?

and gun freedom is culture

muh catalonian anarchism worked

freedom is freedom

"You can't handle my freedoms!"

catalonia would look like the PKK if they just started shooting things up instead of holding a referendum

if your culture doesn't value freedom then I don't know what to tell you

>implying catalonia isn't the PKK

In the past though, most countries had these freedoms to own firearms, especially all western countries.

I think Catalonia wouldn't have allowed Spanish police to take the ballots away if they had guns to defend them.

Having guns doesn't mean it's your first recourse.

But it stops the opposition from using force as the first recourse.

are you unironically arguing against defending yourself from foreign oppressors with force?

@Ruggwain

do you think that just because you use force to secure your freedom that that freedom is somehow illegitimate?

no

I'm saying that guns aren't the ultimate guaranteur of freedom

so whats the argument against an armed catalonia?

and that you can be a free soceity without them

yea, they are.

MUH GUNS

until someone decides to ignore your rights, again

the argument against an armed catalonia is number 1 that the conflict isn't over yet

Kosovo's independence wasn't the product of one day

you didn't answer my question, how do you oppress people with guns?

you don't need to opress people in europe

So, fellas

they will vote for their own oppression

By besieging them

yea, you do it yourselves.

Starve them out

What *is* the actual plan for combating the Islamation of Britain?

i'm talking about controlled occupation, not warfare

how do you capture an armed Catalonia for instance

it is impossible

as MMA fighter and me pointed out

the people's mandate supercede any kind of principle

at least here

and Catalonia has defacto independence, the spanish government has no control over it apart from the state institutions there, the local government has done its very best and more military is switching to their side by the day

which is why you'll be knocking from one tyrant to the next until liberalism finally beats its way into mainland europe.

they will at one point have the time to stage a war like Kosovo

>the people's mandate supercede any kind of principle
so no need for a constitution?

that's not what that means

the constitution prevents the politicians from going rogue

if the people overwhelmingly vote against their civil liberties

to the point where they have an absolute parliament majority

the people will be granted their wish

and at the point where the support is overwhelming for the retriction of their own liberties

appeal to popularity

mob rule.

there will be no resistance

population transplant is ok?

it's not an appeal to popularity

an appeal to popularity would be making a statement of how valuable a certain popular opinion is

this is the exact opposite

what people want makes up policy

and if so many people vote for tyranny that the government would have the power to install it, noone would complain anymore

So... The plan?

idk

What I'm asking is what the strategy is for combating the islamation of Britain, nay Europe in general.

congratz

you green now

Oh nice

@Hyddraigon ethnic cleansing

I don't think that would be approved.

I mean, really what's the current goal ahead of us.

forced integration

integration or GTFO

Make all their shit illegal.

import Kebab to forcibly remove arabs

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@Ruggwain and then import slavs to remove kebab amirite?

I guess that would work

No sharia, no cousins fucking, no underage marriages, no threats of violence.

close the borders stop giving them special privileges and make them learn english or face deportation.

and border hoppers can get thrown in the fucking sea

So what I'm getting here is; The strategy is to make criticism of Islam acceptable. Stab at the shitty parts of Islam and get the legally combated. Force integration.

yep

you need to tear down the poor oppressed brown people narrative and attack islam on its principles like you would any other barbarian ideology

Monitor those mosques arrest Imams that are inciting violence.

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I think it's Japan that has cameras in all mosques to monitor them

do what we do and put spies in your mosques

I know China banned "Islamic style beards"

and Islamic names

relentlessly hammer away at the muslims, their supporters and their apologoists

Okay, and what are the strategies for getting the government and the public in general to hear our voice?

Arrest parents that threaten their children if they don't follow Islamic law. Make the kids feel how oppressive their ideology is.

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Let them taste oppression for the first time in their lives

first you need to destroy the islam is a race narrative, you need to demonstate how attacking islam is different from attacking arabs,etc

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that islam is just another ideology

and just another religion

the best way to do that is with secular arabs by the way

or christian arabs

or arabs who follow a religion that isn't islam

no because christianity is already vilified like islam should be in the UK.

they need to be atheists to have real arguments anyway

christians and muslims have nothing to debate on

Perhaps they need to report more news from Asian countries dealing with regular beheadings and terrorist attacks by their Islamic populations

radeon is athefagging again

Their "debate" is "muh religion"

REAL Asian countries btw

They most certainly have things to debate.

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Not UK "Asian"

@Ϻ14ᛟ You mean orientals?

Yeah, like whose skydaddy is the true skydaddy. <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

because they actually had a civilization

instead of just raping and pillaging

east asians

yes

'cuz, I mean, it's all fun and games posting pepes and shitposting but ultimately I want to know what the core strategies are for combating the Islamation of this country and how to ultimately overcome it.

I think our biggest blockade is the BBC.

Mainstream Media that is so heavily one sided.

the bbc is shite

we must crush legacy media

It's always so funny how there were loads of slavs, kebab, indians, sikhs and other ethnicities integrating into Europe and never caused any great societal problem <:think_woke:378717098681171988>

But then the muslims arabs come and suddenly oof

We just described it. Let western culture tear them apart. Punish them if they commit crimes to suppress western culture. Don't give them a free pass anymore.

that chart is pretty useless MTK you need one that shows percentage of population

@radeon

indonesia at 200m +?

I don't like those kinds of charts

If we really want this strategy to work you guys realize we have to have our own battles, right?

@Ruggwain really makes you wonder

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they don't differ between wahabis and people who pray bi-monthly and write muslim on their passport

There are regular Islamic beheadings in the street in indonesia

People within our own lives who may be muslim apologists we've gotta challenge.

yeah with that I wasn't referring to indonesia

obviously indonesia is fucked

@Hyddraigon those people can either be changed or are just retarded

Any country with high population of Islam is like this

doesn't matter if they are arab or asian

I just mean that there are more moderate muslim countries

though tbh

this has turned more into a were recently

If you need to argue with somebody, learn exactly why Islam is bad, so you can spread the knowledge.

most "moderate muslims" agree with what the "Extremist muslims" are doing but just aren't willing to do it themselves.

eh I guess

I remember those surveys

but for countries like Kazachstan and Turkey that's a recent development

I've got a pretty good grasp on the shitty parts of Islam

Learn why Islam is evil to the core, so a fucking towelhead can't just Taquiya his/her way out.

even if they don't, they're certainly not out on the streets demonstrating against the extremists in any number worth considering

Tbh last time I debated it with my mother in law I held back just 'cuz I'm living under her roof but next time the opportunity arises I'm going ham

I think focusing on the hadiths is more important than the quran

" 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified"

there can be no islam without the quran but there can be without the hadiths as Iman Tawhidi said

"Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack."

The Quran itself is rotten.

"ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police."

I know

but for as bad as the quran is

the hadith is worse trust me XD

There's no saving for Islam.

"BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam"."

it's easier to go for something non-essential and attack it as a part of 'radical' islam

i have some hate facts

I'm making notes of these.

"Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden"

One in three British Muslims does not speak English. Source: http://www . telegraph . co . uk/news/religion/11406700/Number-of-Muslim-children-in-Britain-doubles-in-a-decade . html

55% of Pakistanis in the UK are married to their cousins. Source: http://news . bbc . co . uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010 . stm

British Pakistanis make up 3% of the population but 33% of genetically diseased children due to inbreeding. Source: http://news . bbc . co . uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010 . stm

At least 85 legally binding Sharia courts operate in Britain. Source: http://www . civitas . org . uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll . pdf page 85

32% of Muslim university students in Britain believe that killing in the name of religion is acceptable. Source: http://www . telegraph . co . uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8304838/UK-MUSLIM-DEMOGRAPHICS-C-RE8-02527 . html

28% of British Muslims would like for Britain to become a fundamentalist Islamic state. Source: http://www . cbsnews . com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

68% of British Muslims support criminalizing criticism of Islam. Source: http://www . cbsnews . com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

m8

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