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I know Opinionated European is polish
Oh my bad i am totally misreading this
``"Shitty Lauren Southern" according to ANTIFA.``
I thought that meant she was Lauren
She's Canadian
I'm not gay, but these look fucking cool
Japanese people have time on their hands :/
that bread is dope
It is
Do want
i aint even gotta claim im not gay to appreciate ๐
oh go fโ โ โ your plushies
I cant wait to see JP's talk with shapiro from yesterday
that is one cute lopster
Freakin GMShivers exposed me to that bread.
I kinda want it without the bear eyes and ears. just stuffed bread
fuck
sad
wow, tourists from where?
The article says china
chinese tourists to china?
@M4Gunner
Look at the size of China
right, i'm not saying that sounds dumb. im just trying to clarify
if chinese tourism industry is mostly chinese tourists or intl
Colors are gay now
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-43765856
Why John Wick though?
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I still wonder if MEE6 was threatened legally to change their picture
Or maybe the dev is now just embarrassed of Rick & Morty.
Liking pink a little does not makes you gay
Plus, cyberpunk colors are pretty nice
they're wool dolls
pink and blue is like a whole thing on its own. its a very eyecatching combo
John Wick ain't cyberpunk nor bisexual.
I would like that bear for my kitchen
i dont rly watch movies
It's a good action film, both of them.
All the big youtube channels now consist of beta males
The son of a Russian mafia boss pisses off a retired assassin. The assassin proceeds to kill everyone.
He reads from a prompter
so obv
I keep seeing this guys videos when i look for old war crap
theres nothing wrong with reading from a prompter
but it helps if you wrote any of what's on it
this man *IS* Portland
reading a wikipedia article is more informative and entertaining
yeah but watching a vid is easier than opening 40 tabs, even if the info is much less dense
typically im going to do both
I was just served by a tranny Muslim in McDonalds
Wtf
<:pepe_sweat:378719424548569088>
Don't want to know the amount of cognitive dissonance trying to hold an identity like that together takes.
or how painful it is, rather.
Todayโs Leninโs birthday. I hope you all have a nice day on this uh, commemoration.
I'll celebrate by buying, and eating lots of food. Something that countless victims of the ideology that he helped spread, never got to enjoy.
<:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
lame
people were better fed under socialism
๐คฃ
hahahahahaha
deny reality some more, I hardly get to laugh these days
these are just facts my dude https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/?page=1
ๅคง่ท่ฟ
please, deny it
your argument is just "great leap forward"
is that really it
who said it was an argument
why are you bringing it up if it's not an argument
Why do you think?
Are you that dense?
you're probably bringing it up because you think pointing out an example of a famine that happened under socialism is a god way of countering the idea that food security was, in general, higher in socialist countries than in capitalist ones
The TvTropes article for "translation with an agenda"
Tell me how you will deny that it was socialist.
the reason why you think that is because you are a moron
Howdy folks!
โyou are a moronโ. ARGUMENT 100 ๐
Yeah, I'm the moron, yet you're the one redefining socialism so your delusional ideology can avoid the blame of the millions of death it has on its conscience. <:LUL:372856126007410689>
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how am i redefining socialism
why are you pretending that is all i said meratrix
Are you denying it was caused by socialist collectivization?
^^
Because that seems to be what you're doing.
I havn't read any of it yet and I have no idea what they define by "socialist" but judging by this -
it's stupid because just pointing out a single example is not as useful of a metric as comparing aggregated data, furthermore i could do the same and point out specific famines that occured under capitalism
Deny it, please. I needed a laugh.
capitalism does seem better
High come countries are only capitalist
weird, almost like poor countries are more likely to become socialist or something ๐ค
o, itโs actually because socialism makes countries poorer
no it doesn't
No, it's almost like socialist countries are more likely to become poor
why did eastern bloc countries grow faster than comparable capitalist countries
on average
How can you possibly look at this table and come to the conclusion that socialism is better?
I actually just popped in to ask a really dumb question, but yeah... socialism seems to never help the poor, the working poor or the working class.
it usually does
how so?
Russia asked the US to come over and analyze what went wrong with their economy after the USSR fell, and it was found that they were operating something like at half the economic strength.
Eastern block countries grow faster because they have more room to grow
source mera
And you can hardly consider them to be socialism anyway
i've heard sargon say that shit multiple times and he has never provided a source
baraban that makes no sense
That makes perfect sense
why would they have more room to grow compared to countries that had the same gdp per capita on average
History and countries are a pretty good source... go sell socialism to Venezauila.
venezuela isn't socialist
Because they aren't as advence, but they are catching up
what's your dumb question
how are they not as advanced baraban
where's your source that the eastern bloc was more prosperous than western europe?
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i'm talking about comparing eastern bloc countries to a selection of capitalist countries that fell within the eastern bloc's gdp per capita range in 1950
They are obviously less advanced
And the gap was bigger
they weren't less advanced they were the same
but eastern bloc countries grew faster
I"ve walked in a bit late, what exactly are you refering to? I Just wanted to ask a dumb question.
No they weren't
notice all the stuff in that document that got better as the soviet union reformed and edged closer and closer to capitalism.
whats your dumb question tho
So ask @Kalisme
commies are boring
ive seen them have this talk like 3 times already
If they grew faster and they were always as advanced why aren't they better by now?
they did become better baraban
No
0_o
They obviously didn't
i mean the data directly contradicts you
What data?
they overtook those countries in terms of gdp per capita and had disproportionately high standards of living for their level of development
China isn't a rich country by any stretch of the imagination
It's also really oppressed
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Yea
Jeebus... things seem so serious right now... I just found out a long lasting Aussie radio station allows Australian bands to host a band page and songs for some sort of competition... I'm Australian and I wanted tips for a non-offensive (but theoretically offensive)-band name for a band that doesn't exist.
menatrix which part of that document backs up your claim
it's huge
See? Less serious.
bottom of this section on page 6
are you referring to the soviet gnp per worker being 38% of that of the us
The soviet union was unable to take utilize itโs natural advantages.
is that what you're referring to or not
I do not believe that is what this document refers to.
How about you read it.
i just wanna know if that's the data point you were referencing
What are people actually actually conversing about?
I referring to this whole document.
not exactly sure. I think they're trying to make the claim that the eastern bloc was economically succesful
?
I actually don't know about that specific thing at all...
mera when you say "Russia asked the US to come over and analyze what went wrong with their economy after the USSR fell, and it was found that they were operating something like at half the economic strength." surely there is a specific part of the document that backs up that claim
i said that eastern bloc countries grew faster than capitalist countries on average
Is it an arguement of growth?
according to what crude propaganda?
I was couldnโt remember what exactly number were, so I said that to bring attention to it assuming you would ask for the source, which I provided.
if they grew faster, they would have overtaken capitalist countries. They didn't.
Such a worldview should have shattered long ago, why are you clinging to it?
plenty of "experts" were not even the slightest bit critical of data coming out of the USSR. It's like they never knew propaganda was an actual thing.
I'm pretty pro-capitalist in a lot of ways, but the speed of growth if a stupid argument :/ I don't get what you are arguing about.
and people regurgitate the same tired nonsense to this day
if anyone points out a flaw in their logic, they bury you in old propaganda and gish-gallop away
no wonder people grow tired of talking to someone like that
they are the ones who brought economic growth up
when you point out the horrors that stupid socialist policies lead to, the millions of deaths, it's whataboutism instantly to preserve the delusion.
muh millions of deaths
socialism is religious faith
and you're a fanatic
Vers how is that funny?
why do these deaths constitute an indictment of socialism yet the far higher death toll of capitalism does not
it's funny cuz that wasn't real socialism duh
nice meme
that's you in a nutshell
how
your entire movement is a joke
how is that me
"muh millions of deaths"
nice
you're such a great person
we should all strive to be like you
yes why does that count as an indictment of socialism
when the death toll of capitalism is far higher
and adopt your ideology, to become enlightened
it's funny how you see an argument, and I see an easy target <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
they paint themselves as horrid people, I just need to poke them in the right place
I actually don't like socialism that much, but it has some okay ideas (in small doses)... Marxism? Erg... Socialism is still shite, but refined it. But I think reading through different political ideas can be befinifical.
no point in trying to convince them
i mean it's funny you're saying it's like a religious faith when i am the one making arguments based off of empirical data
it's like dealing with religious people. If any kind of argument worked, it wouldn't exist.
and you're spouting memes about "not real socialism xD"
you're regurgitating propaganda without the slightest bit of source criticism
What empirical data? I came in too lare.
what propaganda
is the maddison project propaganda
there's no use in trying to point that out to you, as you're not critical of sources that agree with you
woke af
are these economic historians just secret like soviet propaganda agents or something
What are you talking about? I came in late.
a lot of them were utterly uncritical of USSR data
you're one of them, apparently
yeah that data comes from the world bank development report
the world bank being a notorious communist propaganda outlet of course
Is this what the general chat is usually like?
No @Kalisme
actually, they bought a lot of propaganda entirely without criticism, but you wouldn't know that because it agrees with you so you just eat it up
communism is only debated once someone says communism is good
you've not looked into this at all
and then it gets boring for like an hour
because it might put a chink in your reality denying armor
provide proof please
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that they are uncritically spreading communist propaganda
this is such a pathetic argument
from a braindead liberal ideologue
how about you go look it up yourself? Be critical of your own sources before you share them as gospel
you're such a nice person
we should all be like you
o.o
I hate it when you ask a simple question and people say "look it up".
why--if its a simple question it should take 5 seconds on google
exactly.
why would i be nice when you were being a dick first
oh you poor thing
was someone being a dick to you on the internet?
I can't help being a dick! ๐ข I was born this way! YOU MONSTER!
we need a gulag tag for the communists ๐ฆ
why are you making snarky comments about how mean i am
I should think you would be used to that, being a communist actively seeking out arguments
guys nobody be a dick on the Sargon board it just wouldnt be right ๐ฟ
because it's funny, I don't know?
why do you think?
I actually don't know you, I presume you're lovely, I just don't know what you're trying to inform about.
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