yeah, having a 2 party system is fucked in my opinion

see if in the UK, the choices would be Tories or Labour

it's kinda inevitable i think

the UK would be infinitely more fucked than it is currently

thing is American political parties are not a monolith

it's an identifier but not a requirement

I don't doubt that you have more knowledge on the subject than me

like, there's no reason that a member of the Republican Party can vote entirely like the Democrats

I get that

I think that having more than 1 leftwing party and 1 rightwing party, is much better

the problem with a 2 party system is that both party could go too far to either side

the states would need to implement some sort of ranked voting then

otherwise voting for a third party just torpedoes your own ideological base

or MMP

I personally find the system in the UK better in principle

>be ukip
>get 15% of the vote
>get 1% of the seats

Mathematically it isn't tbh

https://youtu.be/ptiWBrd9YbQ

saw that

has already been linked in here i believe

Google translate oldspeak to newspeak

also in some uk constiutancies, the tories won with 30-40%

meaning that 70-60% of the district didn't even vote for them

Oh ok I'm sorry for reposti

so?

It's not a two party system <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

It essentially is one

no u

Only NPCs have binary thought <:NPC:500042735617703967>

Only NPCs reject the facts

Polls are Irrelevant

but

The most accurate end model, (put together by a guy on Youtube) was correct in 2016 with Trump winning 304

based on primary turnout

shows the Republicans winning with a 3 seat majority at 219

i'm predicting a blue wave

of leftist's tears <:GWfroggyPepoSmug:398570232647647242>

holding my breath

but i hope so

and gaining 4 in the Senate

so a 55 seat majority in the Senate is pretty fuckin noice

@Werlf link?

and they even gave the Democrats a day off school?

@Durtle02 like I said, its youtuber using turnout data from the House & Senate primaries, but he was right in 2016 using the same method, so I'll give him that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxD4gaelTtU

@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 @Durtle02 don't forget a 56 seat majority is somewhat likely

Since Menendez in NJ is a pedophile

and I hope to god that people will vote for a republican over a pedophile in a blue state

Since 2002 average turnout in USA mid term elections has been 40%. A 50% turnout today will be hailed as massive. Pathetic by European standards.

Voting is gay and so is Europe

https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/1059868949591060481

Lol

B doubt

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35500000/-The-Drunk-Giraffe-Dance-amy-pond-35527721-245-170.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/208652913768136704/509457694596268032/DrVx76OXQAAhQ9b.png?width=661&height=648

kill me

I mean

He could do it, dude can do scary.

But

w h o t

https://youtu.be/P44SezQ2gzE this scene is what I point to

He's got a few really good moments where he does this where somehow he gives this sense of a very very ancient and angry thing in a baby face

Tenant "He didn't raise his voice" was a good moment

that was also pretty great

that wasn't really scary as much as it was slightly intimidating

good evening

if you're scared of faries

well, for the character it was a 180

yes I watched the show

usually this doctor is bouncing around like a twelve year old dipshit

I don't know how the doctors rank in my head anymore

I stopped watching Doctor Who after Smith left

I only saw the first two episodes of whittaker so far

Matt Smith would make a great palpatine

I'm just wondering what the fuck JJ is up to with it

if it's true

has Jodie done a good job

haven't looked

for her first two episodes?

She's doing a less egotistical david tennant

Idk about the next few tho

lame

Tenant is *the* doctor

this very wide-eyed "pleased to meet you all, how can I help?" lady

who does a lot more macgyvering with shit

She has a line when someone addresses her as ma'am and it's sometinhg liek

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262319460461838336/509457741115555851/image0.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4xm9NHNUf8

holy shit

"maam? what? who?"
"you, miss."
"AM I? howdoesitlookonme?"

this is fucking sadistic

"what"

"well about a half hour ago I was a greying scottish man and now i'm...."

and she's interuppted by a thing

she has the good old regeneration amnesia and it takes her until the end to fully remember who she is but man she has charisma at least

and yes

that whole sequence was the coldest shit

especially the little kid

Dr who is for faggots

is now

Smith was the tail end

Capaldi was dick

I like how the only major influence Modern Britain has is cultural

and now thats being fucked by the BBC only hiring oppressed minorities

Is the new series really shit?

where do you get these cursed boomer memes @Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸

I want some

From my Cellar

ballot IN

only 7.5hrs short of deadline 💯

did you grab them by the ballot

i voted YES on ICE

only GERMAN tequila for me from now on <:think_hitlerdidnothingwrong:378717099952177162>

going to the Belgian Congo y'all want anything?

Aids

@Werlf just hand me something good

@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 Belgian

<:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

@galesteppes <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpINJEuxbao

LIVE

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrV3bDoUcAUZuQz.jpg:large

ATTENTION EVERYONE

Looks like the folk looking for YouTube alternative are selecting stream.me over DLive - presumably because DLive can still get mass-flagged under their terms.
https://twitter.com/Andywarski/status/1059920922927345669

Screw the elections, This happened in sweden

Chrismas series is something kids sell to get some extra cash, this gem from, oh probably 40 years back was in a collection serie, the kid says look mom! There walks a real negro

<:pepe_smile:378719407977005068>

tfw you can't get a nigger for christmas anymore <:pepe_why:378719408367075333>

Tim pool. The man who can somehow turn any conversation into him wingeing about how hes the "only sane liberal left" . Le big brained leftie pretending to be centrist for extra big brain points.

I dont like Tim. He just annoys me. I hope hes not on this stream all night

He might poke you here tho

<:pepe_smile:378719407977005068>

Hehe

If he wants to sperg about how some people dont like him then thats fine with me. I dont think hes that autistic however.

Me neither tbh

Anyway sleepy time, good luck to you USA people, see how it is when i wake up

Yeye. G'night

Yeah, Tim's a good guy, but I think he's kidding himself a bit holding out hope for the Democrats.

identity politics is their golden cow. They won't let it go that easily

*reenter stream
*Talking about someone running (styx I think)
First words from Tim
Tim:"Would he run as a Republican" (accusingly, as if thats inherently bad)

Yep. Im holding out for the VOD. Im not waiting out Tim.

Hell, the whole oppression narrative has been their platform for several generations

Identity politics have been the democrats more or less since Johnson passed the civil rights act of 1964. Its only recently it became their ONLY platform

As long as the state as an apparatus exists, it will be a weapon to be used against the populace to remove us of our liberties

🤷🏻

State is a required evil.

eh, my opinion is still out on that. I'm not convinced yet

we

Put two toddlers next to each other in a room of toys and snacks. 5 minutes and their ripping each other apart even though there is plenty for each. People might think theyre beyond that behaviour, but they're saying so while living in this system and even then contradicting themselves.

Anyone who compares adult humans to children is well on their way to authoritarian thinking

Adults are children who can reason. They have an extra tool. It doesnt mean they use it.

Already, you have undermined and shown disregard for the individual sovereignty owed to every man

This is the same thinking the Liberal Elites have with regard to their consituents. "They NEED me, a man of Reason, who is able to make decisions for them"

Flowery words to deflect from what I said while not adressing it. Your telling me that a world of violent and greedy people will magically sort itself out without ANY mold is ridiculous.

You make the assumption that the state actually solves those problems

If anything, the fact the state exists for nefarious people to use as a position of power, leads to more of that behavior

That's why you try to limit their power. Check ambitions against each other. You won't be able to do anything of the sort with the violent warlords an anarchy would produce in the first place. Its not pretty, its not perfect. But its real.

Why do you assume violent warlords are the alternative? What proof do you have?

Human history. Check any time a state collapses

And before any existed

I disagree, but I'm also not advocating for violent overthrow or collapse of any sort, which leads to failures in infrastructure and trade

Then how would you ever remove a state?

If a state is just violence surely you must destroy it in kind

It would be the moral and pragmatic thing to do

in 99% of most people's lives, the state has no impact on what goes on, other than being a minor nuisance

What's the difference if it just didn't exist?

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if the "government" were nothing more than the military, with the amount of name recognition you'd have with something like ADT, or your bank

99%? Dont pull numbers out your ass man. Government is all pervasive in almost everyone's life. Should it be less? We can talk. But removeing it entirely is not only unreasonably impossible but unlikely to help anyone.

The only problems it solves, are those it brings upon itself.

In your day to day life?

So murderers would catch themselves? Who wouldve thunk

At most, you go to the DMV like once a year. When else do you interact with the govt?

Oh come on, I've posted on here enough about private law you would know my argument for it

The business I work for is subject to government regulation. Pay government taxes. I follow government laws.

These are how I interact with government every day.

If I get robbed, I persecute the offender in a government court following government laws.

Every organization is subect to another organization. No one, nor any entity exists in a vacuum

Enough platitudes. It just muddles the water while saying nothing. I gave you how I interact with government. That's what you asked. If your gonna make a point, then make it.

I've made my point. There's alternatives for everything.

My point: Quit treating the gov't like some sacred cow that can't ever be questioned as to their effectiveness or legitimacy.

Always look for a better alternative.

I never said you couldnt criticize governments effectiveness or legitimacy. Stop dragging out Molineux talking points in contexts they dont apply. Im trying to debate if a complete lack of government would solve anything. I dont think it would. You do. And so far, youve said almost nothing that changes my mind beyond platitudes.

It would solve the constant back and forth nonsense we've been fighting against with authoritarians trying to subvert and undermine the sovereignty of individuals.

It's a temptive tool for people to use against others. It will ALWAYS be a temptation. People will ALWAYS try and twist the rules of the game so that they can more easily win

How to steal memes from Athens 101

kek

Lack of a state = trying to scoop up water with a strainer

or, herding cats lol

It will always be temptation. Correct. So in the anachist utopia, a man would be tempted to get his buddys together and declare himself king of the world, instituting his devine rule on anyone weak enough to be conquered.

OHHH

OHHHH MY GOD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw65Dgy_TY

THIS FUCKING HURTS

THE C R I N G E

Yeah, but who's going to be weak enough to be conquered? Seriously, this is north america, not rural Africa

What, are you going to send a raiding party on the subdivision next door? lol

**VOTE IF YOU THINK NOBODY SHOULD BE DEPORTED BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY WERE BORN**

NIGGA

*WHAT*

Are you serious. How do you thing states became a thing in the first place? Everyone just decided one day they liked taking orders from that jackass fred?

Is Memphis going to declare war on Knoxville?

No. Fred made some friends, and then beat everyone who didnt like him to death.

@Banks=Gay That joke isn't entirely wrong, everyone was like **DAMN WE LOVE GEORGE**

Give me a realistic situation with todays infrastructure and communication technologies, where war breaks out in a stateless North America

There's still police

There's still courts

Then its not anarchy

I never said anarchy

Stateless? Your telling me you have a government without a state?

Dont muddle shit again

You can have police and courts without a state, as I've said before

Yea. Until one police force decided they want the contract the other has, and extort the landowners to give them it. If not just entirely killing their rival.

lol sure, like thats a good business decision

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Yes. It would be. Now you have no competition and can raise your rates as high as you want. You have the guns. You have the power.

Kinda hard to make a rival company if you get shot for trying

Your little tiny start up of a security service is going to take on 20+ other local companies?

there would still be a sense of morality, a lot of people would be upset, your reputation would go to shit

No. But whats to stop the other 20+.

The same thing as that first one

this is a pointless debate shut up

Also, what's to gain?

retards

u shut up retard

no u

move to <#372513679964635138> you fucking dipshits

The whole point of this argument: You've never even THOUGHT about the possibility that there's an alternative.

<:oof:494878589406150657>

go play fortnite or some shit

go to gay baby jail

Every debate is pointless. This dudes still gonna think his McDonalds brand security will save his ass at the end of it. Just wanted to see his thinking.

u dont liek the chat you can get out

Probably do a better job than Detroit's police kek

Maybe. But thats hardly a good metric to base your self off of.

That's EXACTLY the metric I'm basing this off of.

Total gov't control vs private solutions and voluntary interactions

For the record, ive thought of these things a long time before. That's why im conviced theyre wrong

@Fitzydog
>detriot
>police

what police?

<:oof:494878589406150657>

The only thing they protect and serve is the democratic mayor

Because im sure the best police in the world are private. After all the worst are government so duuuh

Yes, some of the best ARE private

Name 1

The Pinkerton's made a name for themselves

It has to gaurd more then 1 dudes house fyi

Hell, they were the secret service before we had one

so goys, what do you think about Smash Bros DLC

Pinkertons? Didnt they illegally bust unions? Great.