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The problem with the UK is that the politicians always try to solve secondary issues rather than the root cause of the problem. So we are in this perpetual situation of people basically putting band aids on
I think the root problem with the UK is its monarchism, a problem intensified by its lack of written constitution
yeah, oldie but a goodie
does he still upload?
actually, last I heard, he got booked for something, ironically enough
@RMS_Gigantic nope, watch the vid
A lot of these secondary "solutions" wouldn't even be legal with something comparable to a Bill of Rights
The problem with politicians is that far too many people have a naive faith in them
a bill of rights that can't simply be undone with a later contradicting law and some "Common Law" interpretation aswith the Communications Act of 2003
@RMS_Gigantic You obviously didn't understand what Douglas said
I agree with Douglas, I just think there's an even deeper and more fundamental problem with the British legal system
@RMS_Gigantic the problem is the politicians, that don't serve the people and we are a small number that support others.
politicians who don't swear allegiance to their citizens or British law
but instead personally swear allegiance to the British monarch
That isn't the problem. That is naive
You just said that the politicians don't serve the people
That's because they're not supposed to
They don't serve the monarch either
Yes, they do
no
```I, (Insert full name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Victoria, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.```
Do you think they honour that ?
They don't
The PM certainly does when meeting with the monarch personally every week
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@RMS_Gigantic do they meet every week, because I don't think it is that often
they meet when they get sworn in
```The British Prime Minister has a weekly audience with Elizabeth II, usually every Wednesday, during parliamentary time at Buckingham Palace.```
Weekly
Hmmmm
I wonder how much it is observed
because I know Theresa May and David Cameron were slamming corbyn on a wednesday
Looks like they make time after the meeting, because here's David Cameron confirming their weekly nature: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2710855/My-weekly-chats-Queen-help-clear-head-says-Cameron-s-not-sure-gets-it.html
Umm surprising
still doesn't mean anything
The Queen, in turn, only swore an oath to defend the Church of England, if I recall correctly
Do you honestly think any sort of Real Politik works this way?
Thoughts on Anthony Bourdain?
@M4Gunner RIP, God will be getting some tasty steak.
I honestly think the British government works this way, because it does. This is what happens when your nation has no written constitution and a Bill of Rights that can easily be contradicted like any other law.
@RMS_Gigantic You are a fucking idiot then. Each politician has their own ideals, they don't suddenly meet the queen and after 40 odd years of being in politics think "the Crown and the realm"
The UK is not a republic
For all intents and purposes, it is. The monarchy has no _de facto_ power.
She has shitloads of de jure power, however.
@RMS_Gigantic if she did there would be a big fucking problem. That is only supposed to be used in times of war
She also has massive amounts of "soft power" in the form of subtle gestures of approval or disapproval
Nah, she's literally above UK law
UK law comes from her
@RMS_Gigantic Magna Carta dickhead
She is the source of legitimacy under the UK system
hence the difference between subjects and citizens
GROAN
The lords are more of a problem than the Royal Family
the Royal Family are for getting American Tourists in
Hold on, lemme dig up Tim Pool's interview with a UK lawyer who testifies that the Magna Carta doesn't mean shit today
because it, like any other law, can be overwritten by newer legislative sessions
@RMS_Gigantic Tim Pool is another idiot, he couldn't even say "Row" correctly in the context of an argument. I am not going to believe anything he says
This isn't something he said, this is something a UK lawyer said
in response to Tim Pool asking about the Magna Carta
@RMS_Gigantic I don't believe any information coming from him any more, if he can't command simple English ... I can't trust anything else he says
and it isn't like a Vee cockup where it is obviously someone that speaks another language first and uses the wrong tense or something. It was him being a fucking moron.
Once again, this was a video interview where this lawyer was speaking directly to the audience
not some second-hand retelling by Pool
@RMS_Gigantic don't trust his choice of lawyer
This is one of the most ridiculous conversations I have ever seen on Discord
@RMS_Gigantic a person has to make a value judgement and once a guy makes 3 or 4 mistakes that are moronic, I can't trust the guy.
Well it's about the best option I have because the UK legal system is so fucked up on a fundamental level that it takes a UK lawyer to figure out what takes precedence over what
Nothing means anything
words don't mean anything
@MuChaDo you are free to look away
From my point of view the jedi are evil
Then you are lost
@King Canuck That is what Anakin thought
**duel of the fates intensifies**
@RMS_Gigantic do you think that whoever Tim Pool got was the best thinker on it?
Someone needs to buy Tim Pool some fucking clothes
he only seems to have the one outfit
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I somehow have a small long-distance-crush on his co-host.
Emily or something.
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
needs more air time.
@Deleted User What she said seemed consistent with the way UK law works in all other respects
The Communications Act of 2003 clashes against the Human Rights Act of 1998
The Human Rights Act of 1998 clashes with the Malicious Communications Act of 1980
etc.
@RMS_Gigantic It was a woman as well ... ๐
@RMS_Gigantic I just don't trust anything from Tim Pool
Why not?
@RMS_Gigantic I never will, he is the idiot that things hacking something is like using a CD as a table mat
What?
Oh, the reubin interview
Praise jdm
@King Canuck what he said was fucking retarded
Hacking means being able to come up with alternative ways of thinking and solving problems.
What, that "hacking" can constitute using anything and putting it to a purpose it wasn't made for?
I personally thought it was an interesting take on the idea
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