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2018-01-10 07:25:21 UTC

Sure.

2018-01-10 07:25:23 UTC

yet claimed to be Christian, and in favour of Christianity

2018-01-10 07:25:46 UTC

where does he claim to be Christian?

2018-01-10 07:26:02 UTC

He claims Germans are Christian, and that Christianity is important to Germans.

2018-01-10 07:26:24 UTC

A tool is a tool, when you see it from a high level.

2018-01-10 07:26:31 UTC

some people cannot deal with it when it comes to religions

2018-01-10 07:26:42 UTC

they cannot deal with this important conceptualization of leaders

2018-01-10 07:27:15 UTC

Then again, maybe it was a mistake to try and use Christianity

2018-01-10 07:27:20 UTC

maybe it was his downfall

2018-01-10 07:27:24 UTC

```I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.```

2018-01-10 07:27:26 UTC

Is this afake quote?

2018-01-10 07:28:09 UTC

Probably not.
But... you should take such claims of Catholicism by esoteric-minded people with a grain of salt.

2018-01-10 07:28:29 UTC

There are plenty of Freemasons who identify as Catholics, and not in any "fake" way, for instance.

2018-01-10 07:35:46 UTC

@Hagel , in respect to such quotes, as a collection, the particular source and context is important. The detective work is to understand how they match together, and not jump to a "FAKE!" conclusion just because a superficial discrepancy is noted.

2018-01-10 07:36:03 UTC

number 5 sounds plausible

2018-01-10 07:37:22 UTC

Read *Mein Kampf* and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Read the memories of his childhood friend, and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Even in his pro-Christian statements later on, or his attributed quotes, they seem rather functional in scope (Christianity as a positive application, etc.).

2018-01-10 07:38:42 UTC

He's not very Christian at all

2018-01-10 07:38:52 UTC

And he is correct in some of his criticisms of it

2018-01-10 07:39:08 UTC

And also in how Germans mutated it into a more tolerable thing

2018-01-10 07:39:32 UTC

Exactly.
Real Politik demands strategy. You work with what you have.
A tragedy is only a tragedy, not an accomplishment.
If he went around dressed as Wotan and attempting to make a rebirth of druidic or whatever traditions happen, he would've been laughed at from day 1.

2018-01-10 07:40:29 UTC

I don't believe in mobilizing the blind quantity of people, but in cultivating quality

2018-01-10 07:40:44 UTC

A small reich of high quality is better than a large reich of poor quality

2018-01-10 07:41:00 UTC

Idealistic, but not realistic.

2018-01-10 07:41:21 UTC

the hordes will overrun your high-quality reich.

2018-01-10 07:41:22 UTC

On the contrary, it is what is realistic

2018-01-10 07:41:24 UTC

that is the problem

2018-01-10 07:41:29 UTC

Most people have to be left behind

2018-01-10 07:41:35 UTC

I agree.

2018-01-10 07:42:17 UTC

But that plan may work in the course of hundreds or thousands of years.
National Socialism simply wanted to turn the tide.
The strategy failed, and perhaps that "by quantity" focus was the problem, as you say.

2018-01-10 07:42:48 UTC

It is what works in thousands of years, but not in decades

2018-01-10 07:42:58 UTC

The opposite approach seems effective in the short term, but ends up changing nothing in the long term

2018-01-10 07:43:17 UTC

Nazi victory would have assured one thing: The survival of the race

2018-01-10 07:43:20 UTC

but it wouldn't have done much else

2018-01-10 07:43:25 UTC

I think Savitri Devi thinks that WW2 made it possible for that refinement of underground NS to happen: NS people (not neo-Nazis) are quite high minded, and move only in elite circles, amongst themselves, and focus on quality rather than quantity. Lesson learned.

2018-01-10 07:43:30 UTC

because its guiding philosophy from which the politics came was underdeveloped

2018-01-10 07:43:40 UTC

@Hagel , yep, and that is exactly what Hitler intended.

2018-01-10 07:43:43 UTC

That is not an achievement to scoff at however

2018-01-10 07:43:53 UTC

He did not intend NS as an eternal thing, but only a thing to turn the tide.
Again, very clearly stated in *Mein Kampf*.

2018-01-10 07:44:12 UTC

The race must survive

2018-01-10 07:44:28 UTC

He said that his successors MUST CHANGE AND READAPT.

2018-01-10 07:45:32 UTC

If what you are saying is true, then it could have been a good first step had he not been such a fool

2018-01-10 07:45:46 UTC

to not wait for atomic bombs when he had the greatest and most scientists, to attack east and west simultaneously, etc

2018-01-10 07:45:48 UTC

He was "such a fool", but probably not in the way you think.

2018-01-10 07:45:50 UTC

to not listen to his generals

2018-01-10 07:45:56 UTC

But it's still a first step that's irrelevant to me now

2018-01-10 07:46:06 UTC

and not a doctrine that I will follow, as all we know of is the first step

2018-01-10 07:46:35 UTC

I think arrogance got the best of him.

2018-01-10 07:46:49 UTC

He literally scoffed at his generals, at least from Speer's perspective.

2018-01-10 07:48:43 UTC

With respect to your conclusions, I basically agree with them.

2018-01-10 07:50:39 UTC

It is the departure points which are think are a misunderstanding. (socialism, aryanism, etc.)
And these may be crucial to understand that many positions did not dictate the defeat, so they cannot be judged as wrong.
E.g. Germany's socio-economic model was miraculous, and not at all a "failure". Despite what @diversity_is_racism , its "socialist" component was not a detriment, nor did it have anything to do with losing the war.
Do not throw the baby with the water, or something like that.

2018-01-10 07:51:18 UTC

NS as it became, not as it was conceived, wasn't socialism, it was welfare capitalism

2018-01-10 07:51:33 UTC

And some of the welfare was not toward money pits, but toward cultivating potential

2018-01-10 07:51:35 UTC

and that's good

2018-01-10 07:51:41 UTC

exactly

2018-01-10 07:51:46 UTC

It may have been part of why they had so many chemists, engineers, etc

2018-01-10 07:51:55 UTC

If you were smart, you got free stuff, and a spot at university

2018-01-10 07:52:03 UTC

you got promoted based on talent

2018-01-10 07:52:05 UTC

proven talent

2018-01-10 07:52:08 UTC

So instead of the strong carrying the weak, the weak carried the strong

2018-01-10 07:52:19 UTC

and i think this is one of the positive traits

2018-01-10 07:52:23 UTC

no reason to throw that away

2018-01-10 07:52:30 UTC

I'm not against all welfare

2018-01-10 07:52:44 UTC

I can see that, I am saying, in general terms.

2018-01-10 07:52:52 UTC

But I recognize that if you must force people to do it against their will, then it isn't sustainable

2018-01-10 07:52:57 UTC

In regards to our conversation about throwing out NS or not.

2018-01-10 07:53:30 UTC

Did he force people, actually? Does a miraculous success in 6 years show an oppressed and miserable people?

2018-01-10 07:53:40 UTC

I think people were accepting of the idea

2018-01-10 07:53:48 UTC

there will always be people against whatever you do, however

2018-01-10 07:53:50 UTC

and that's why it happened so smoothly

2018-01-10 07:54:03 UTC

These things don't emerge out of nowhere

2018-01-10 07:54:11 UTC

Mohammedan countries kill gays for a reason

2018-01-10 07:54:11 UTC

it's popular

2018-01-10 07:55:25 UTC

For sure. So the working plan was an attempting tailoring to these people.

2018-01-10 07:55:49 UTC

People with a "work" culture, but also an "idealistic" culture.

2018-01-10 07:55:57 UTC

I know that eugenic ideas and social engineering ideas were popular at the time

2018-01-10 07:56:00 UTC

It was mainstream in Sweden

2018-01-10 07:56:04 UTC

anyway.... thanks for telling me your conclusions

2018-01-10 07:56:06 UTC

So I imagine it was all over Europe

2018-01-10 07:56:15 UTC

It was mainstream all over the world

2018-01-10 07:56:32 UTC

Only convenience politics changed that. Mainly through Jewish lobbying.

2018-01-10 07:56:39 UTC

The concept of eugenics is obviously good

2018-01-10 07:56:45 UTC

It's a great sickness that people don't think so

2018-01-10 07:56:53 UTC

It's because people don't value virtue anymore

2018-01-10 07:57:01 UTC

or goodness

2018-01-10 07:57:59 UTC

@Hagel , have you read *The Antichrist*, by Nietzsche? or are you currently reading it? ;)

2018-01-10 07:58:48 UTC

I've read some stuff by Nietzsche, not that

2018-01-10 07:58:59 UTC

It was a little rough in the beginning

2018-01-10 07:59:08 UTC

I was reading weird translated German poems at first

2018-01-10 07:59:13 UTC

and I just thought, okay

2018-01-10 07:59:16 UTC

this is not what I expected

2018-01-10 07:59:31 UTC

But I continued reading and started to enjoy it

2018-01-10 08:00:34 UTC

I'd argue, as per Nietzsche (and I thought so before ever knowing Nietzsche), that the loss of virtue and inversion of values comes from Christianity.

2018-01-10 08:01:00 UTC

I don't want to speculate about what caused what historically, but Christianity itself is an inversion of intuitive values

2018-01-10 08:01:05 UTC

That is evidently true

2018-01-10 08:01:11 UTC

I'd say that weird feeling is what started to make me question my Protestant faith. It was always weird that Christianity seemed to champion the weak so much, and feelings of guilt and never pride.

2018-01-10 08:01:37 UTC

It's like wanting to feel sick all the time and being happy about it.

2018-01-10 08:01:50 UTC

Or feeling "virtuous" about it.

2018-01-10 08:02:19 UTC

Yeah

2018-01-10 08:02:21 UTC

It's sick

2018-01-10 08:02:36 UTC

The hoops people jump through to justify it are ridiculous

2018-01-10 08:02:42 UTC

Look at it honestly, and it is clearly sick

2018-01-10 08:03:49 UTC

To Hitler's credit he did want it gone over time

2018-01-10 08:36:55 UTC

Can't really misquote this, but some French liberal will tell us how we are misinterpreting this:
```Here we are among Jews: this is the first thing to be borne in mind if we are not to lose the thread of the matter. This positive genius for conjuring up a delusion of personal “holiness” unmatched anywhere else, either in books or by men; this elevation of fraud in word and attitude to the level of an art— all this is not an accident due to the chance talents of an individual, or to any violation of nature. The thing responsible is race. The whole of Judaism appears in Christianity as the art of concocting holy lies, and there, after many centuries of earnest Jewish training and hard practice of Jewish technic, the business comes to the stage of mastery. The Christian, that ultima ratio of lying, is the Jew all over again— he is threefold the Jew...```
—Nietzsche, *The Antichrist*, in **No. 44**

2018-01-10 08:37:25 UTC

I will only read pre WW2 translations of Nietzsche

2018-01-10 08:37:46 UTC

Leftists try to dilute his meaning

2018-01-10 08:37:59 UTC

This one is a 1920 translation.

2018-01-10 08:38:08 UTC

It is interesting that they chose that strategy instead of the usual shit flinging

2018-01-10 08:38:13 UTC

Translation by H.L. Mencken
Published 1920

2018-01-10 08:38:17 UTC

It would be so easy to condemn him as a white cis male racist

2018-01-10 08:38:35 UTC

I think it is because of his a-morality, there is too much they can use to their advantage too

2018-01-10 08:38:41 UTC

for deconstruction and revolutionary purposes

2018-01-10 08:39:00 UTC

Thing is, Nietzsche is essentially an all-out SODOMIZE THE WEAK guy, no matter who it is

2018-01-10 08:40:19 UTC

What the hell does "cis" mean?

2018-01-10 08:40:34 UTC

I have not been indoctrinated , so, many of those terms are obscure to me.

2018-01-10 08:40:41 UTC

It means normal with regard to gender

2018-01-10 08:40:46 UTC

oh

2018-01-10 08:40:48 UTC

without any disorder

2018-01-10 08:40:51 UTC

or issue

2018-01-10 08:40:54 UTC

so, that is bad?

2018-01-10 08:41:02 UTC

I was using leftist speech

2018-01-10 08:41:05 UTC

i know i know

2018-01-10 08:41:14 UTC

I mean, to them.

2018-01-10 08:41:15 UTC

It's privileged

2018-01-10 08:41:17 UTC

It's bad like white is bad

2018-01-10 08:41:18 UTC

or male

2018-01-10 08:41:25 UTC

haha

2018-01-10 08:41:29 UTC

Or being outside of a wheelchair

2018-01-10 08:41:50 UTC

kill them all

2018-01-10 08:42:00 UTC

ah no, I mean, argue-with-them all

2018-01-10 08:42:08 UTC

forgot that Discord is censored.

2018-01-10 08:42:20 UTC

or monitored

2018-01-10 08:42:21 UTC

or whatever

2018-01-10 08:42:23 UTC

Separating the nations into leftist halves and nationalist halves would be great

2018-01-10 08:42:24 UTC

happy feelings

2018-01-10 08:42:30 UTC

Everyone is happy and goes their own way

2018-01-10 08:42:39 UTC

One faction dies, one survives

2018-01-10 08:42:43 UTC

I won't spoil which one is which

2018-01-10 08:42:47 UTC

That would be interesting.

2018-01-10 08:43:16 UTC

They can't fix incorrigible racists like me, but they can get rid of me

2018-01-10 09:11:59 UTC

Where would all the cuckservatives go?

2018-01-10 09:13:09 UTC

Probably to Leftistreich

2018-01-10 09:13:13 UTC

to continue their old ways

2018-01-10 09:13:21 UTC

They'd get to choose, I suppose

2018-01-10 09:13:35 UTC

They're not a threat as they like losing

2018-01-10 10:38:11 UTC

Hagel

2018-01-10 10:38:35 UTC

Ill ask you to rate my metal sobg i've made a few days ago

2018-01-10 10:42:29 UTC

Ok, cool

2018-01-10 11:28:40 UTC

@Hagel yes I think they would go left, before going nationalist

2018-01-10 11:50:04 UTC

the degeneracy levels are over 9000

2018-01-10 12:13:20 UTC

cliffs

2018-01-10 12:15:50 UTC

laters

2018-01-10 14:04:01 UTC

HOLY CRAP

2018-01-10 14:04:14 UTC

THOSE ARE SOME SERIOUSLY DISTURBING SPAM VIDEOS

2018-01-10 14:04:15 UTC

BUT

2018-01-10 14:04:26 UTC

IT MAY GET PEOPLE TO STOP PLOPPING THEIR KIDS IN FRONT OF YOUTUBE FOR QUICK BABYSITTING

2018-01-10 14:34:12 UTC

I wish all they could see was hardcore gay porn

A horrendously wealthy elite has deviant sexual taste? You don't say! Eyes Wide Shut is a great movie though.

2018-01-10 15:40:13 UTC

Guess it's bs anyway

Probably not. A pedophile elite ran the west well before industrialization and the enlightenment under the sanction and sign of the Cross.

2018-01-10 16:34:02 UTC

i mean the quote is BS

2018-01-10 16:34:13 UTC

but yes, the world is ruled by interdimensional child molesting demons

2018-01-10 16:43:00 UTC

https://dailystormer.red/in-the-midst-of-psychological-collapse-sargon-of-akkad-declares-himself-leader-of-bizarre-cult/ sargon has gone full retard. he is now starting his own cult, and it's a group of radical individualists" which is like a group of cock hungary lesbians. it only existss in the fantasy land of porn. this will be gloirous

@devolved yeah I assumed the quote was made up

2018-01-10 17:12:15 UTC

lol what's going on

2018-01-10 17:12:43 UTC

So Sargon's breaking down?

2018-01-10 17:13:06 UTC

What's left of the anti SJW community then? We're going down by our own hand and we start making up cults?

2018-01-10 17:13:55 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267086373285134338/400698787766599700/were_smarter_than_this.gif

2018-01-10 17:25:43 UTC

the weak must die

2018-01-10 17:34:43 UTC

<:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> we have a sargon the quadroon emoji

2018-01-10 17:44:59 UTC

lel

2018-01-10 17:45:12 UTC

So what else is going on?

2018-01-10 17:57:58 UTC

Sargon is such a piece of shit

2018-01-10 17:58:04 UTC

Anglos are traitors

2018-01-10 22:08:53 UTC

Can someone dm me a copy of sperm wars pdf

2018-01-10 22:09:06 UTC

Need it for someone writing an article elsewhere

2018-01-10 22:09:10 UTC

Kthx

2018-01-10 22:46:03 UTC

That Sargon apology video is really funny

2018-01-10 22:51:23 UTC

Who is sargon

2018-01-10 22:58:23 UTC

sargon of akkad

2018-01-10 22:58:26 UTC

"classical liberal"

2018-01-10 23:00:11 UTC

@Exilarch like @UOC said, he's a "classical liberal" YouTube personality. He recently got a lot of attention for a "debate" (more like a cat fight) with the Alt-Right character Richard Spencer

2018-01-10 23:01:51 UTC

I like Richard, I think he's a good public speaker, but he has some questionable associations, and he's not a good debater - even still, Sargon managed to humiliate himself

2018-01-10 23:02:09 UTC

I think Sargon of Akkad would lose a debate against my chair

2018-01-10 23:03:59 UTC

and he is a POC?

2018-01-10 23:04:15 UTC

i think he claimed to have african ancestry

2018-01-10 23:04:19 UTC

it's not really visible

2018-01-10 23:06:46 UTC

He's a youtuber and part of the "skeptic community" and a "classical liberal." He's like Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin - he's basically a materialist, enlightenment dick-sucker who lacks access to the subtle planes of human reality, and who believes in the ability of all individuals to be rational participants in an egalitarian democracy

2018-01-10 23:08:15 UTC

Richard is a relatively good public speaker, but not a great debater. I like that he's a bit smug though, makes his oponents look retarded

2018-01-10 23:09:04 UTC

Sargon is okay when he's doing the relatively easy work of pointing out why lefist super-sjws are silly or wrong or irrational

2018-01-10 23:09:29 UTC

but he doesn't have the tools to understand the full picture or promulgate a cohesive theory of the deeper problems / potential solutions

2018-01-10 23:17:39 UTC

Sargon used to be really good but now he's a fart huffing r-tard

2018-01-10 23:23:30 UTC

was he POC

2018-01-10 23:24:43 UTC

i imagine th e hurt and humiliation that came with the formation of the Krautlike Sarcult. he must have suffered an emotional/intellectual litost. after 3 years of being told how smart he is and how great he is, he was confronted with a "litost" pain at the sight of his own mediocrity.

2018-01-10 23:27:57 UTC

@Exilarch he's a 56%er

2018-01-10 23:28:18 UTC

so he was never good

2018-01-10 23:28:34 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267086373285134338/400793068527419394/g3zrcr6ojktz.png

2018-01-10 23:28:39 UTC

maybe his fully white ancestors were good

2018-01-10 23:29:08 UTC

@Exilarch He claims to be 1/4 nigger

2018-01-10 23:29:22 UTC

he doesn't look POC

2018-01-10 23:29:26 UTC

need to see other pics of him

2018-01-10 23:29:43 UTC

You can kind of see some North African/Negroid fearures

2018-01-10 23:30:01 UTC

Very flat, heavy face, Asiatic eyes, tawny skin

2018-01-10 23:30:29 UTC

Though some of this might be the result of his severe morbid obesity

2018-01-10 23:30:54 UTC

I don't hate him. I just think he gets in over his head.

2018-01-10 23:31:19 UTC

He looks 1/3 Arab to me. I think he made up the nigger thing because his audience hates Muslims

2018-01-10 23:31:32 UTC

he looks southern european, kinda

2018-01-10 23:31:48 UTC

southern french

2018-01-10 23:32:02 UTC

A lot of Southern Europeans have noticeable Arab admixture

2018-01-10 23:32:53 UTC

it gets hard to analyze fat people

2018-01-10 23:32:53 UTC

His eyes are definitely way too small compared to his head, for me to ever see him as a white man

2018-01-10 23:32:57 UTC

Yeah

2018-01-10 23:33:00 UTC

I basically assume fat people are not white

2018-01-10 23:33:11 UTC

I watch his old vids

2018-01-10 23:33:21 UTC

Is that ok?

2018-01-10 23:33:27 UTC

Of course

2018-01-10 23:33:32 UTC

Good

2018-01-10 23:33:35 UTC

I listen to his videos sometimes too

2018-01-10 23:33:38 UTC

He used to be good

2018-01-10 23:33:40 UTC

Hes an idiot

2018-01-10 23:33:44 UTC

Like a year ago

2018-01-10 23:33:49 UTC

Now he is one

2018-01-10 23:33:52 UTC

But he still reports the news from a funny angle

2018-01-10 23:34:00 UTC

True

2018-01-10 23:34:07 UTC

I just don't take him seriously

2018-01-10 23:34:19 UTC

I'm excited to listen to his threeway with Styx and Richard Spenser

2018-01-10 23:34:45 UTC

I hope Styx gets some airtime. I feel like the other two would hog the mic

2018-01-10 23:34:53 UTC

I listen to Anthony Brian Logan (nigger MAGAfag), and Tommy Sotomayor (self hating nigger) all the time, doesn't mean I take them seriously

2018-01-10 23:35:19 UTC

I listen to sam harris whenever he has a guest I know will make him upset

2018-01-10 23:35:21 UTC

Sotomayor is a uncle tom

2018-01-10 23:35:31 UTC

Yes

2018-01-10 23:35:42 UTC

He's a hilarious caricature of a rich coon

2018-01-10 23:36:03 UTC

Tapdancin' Tommy!

2018-01-10 23:36:43 UTC

I listen to Kyle Kulinski too

2018-01-10 23:36:51 UTC

Total Leftist

2018-01-10 23:37:14 UTC

It's pretty boring to listen to people that I agree with

2018-01-10 23:37:27 UTC

Can't learn much from that

2018-01-10 23:40:53 UTC

if I was some kind of figure I would be glad if other people hogged the mic

2018-01-11 00:14:48 UTC

@Josh Kyle "The cuck" Kulinski

2018-01-11 00:15:21 UTC

The most Leftie-Bernie bro ever

2018-01-11 00:15:36 UTC

He is a cuck

2018-01-11 00:15:59 UTC

For some reason I'm still subscribed to him

2018-01-11 00:16:05 UTC

Need to Unsubscribe

2018-01-11 00:16:15 UTC

Fucking hate him

2018-01-11 00:16:23 UTC

He reports the news pretty well IMO

2018-01-11 00:16:27 UTC

He's so unfunny and Smug

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