Sure.

yet claimed to be Christian, and in favour of Christianity

where does he claim to be Christian?

He claims Germans are Christian, and that Christianity is important to Germans.

A tool is a tool, when you see it from a high level.

some people cannot deal with it when it comes to religions

they cannot deal with this important conceptualization of leaders

Then again, maybe it was a mistake to try and use Christianity

maybe it was his downfall

```I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.```

Is this afake quote?

Probably not.
But... you should take such claims of Catholicism by esoteric-minded people with a grain of salt.

There are plenty of Freemasons who identify as Catholics, and not in any "fake" way, for instance.

@Hagel , in respect to such quotes, as a collection, the particular source and context is important. The detective work is to understand how they match together, and not jump to a "FAKE!" conclusion just because a superficial discrepancy is noted.

number 5 sounds plausible

Read *Mein Kampf* and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Read the memories of his childhood friend, and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Even in his pro-Christian statements later on, or his attributed quotes, they seem rather functional in scope (Christianity as a positive application, etc.).

He's not very Christian at all

And he is correct in some of his criticisms of it

And also in how Germans mutated it into a more tolerable thing

Exactly.
Real Politik demands strategy. You work with what you have.
A tragedy is only a tragedy, not an accomplishment.
If he went around dressed as Wotan and attempting to make a rebirth of druidic or whatever traditions happen, he would've been laughed at from day 1.

I don't believe in mobilizing the blind quantity of people, but in cultivating quality

A small reich of high quality is better than a large reich of poor quality

Idealistic, but not realistic.

the hordes will overrun your high-quality reich.

On the contrary, it is what is realistic

that is the problem

Most people have to be left behind

I agree.

But that plan may work in the course of hundreds or thousands of years.
National Socialism simply wanted to turn the tide.
The strategy failed, and perhaps that "by quantity" focus was the problem, as you say.

It is what works in thousands of years, but not in decades

The opposite approach seems effective in the short term, but ends up changing nothing in the long term

Nazi victory would have assured one thing: The survival of the race

but it wouldn't have done much else

I think Savitri Devi thinks that WW2 made it possible for that refinement of underground NS to happen: NS people (not neo-Nazis) are quite high minded, and move only in elite circles, amongst themselves, and focus on quality rather than quantity. Lesson learned.

because its guiding philosophy from which the politics came was underdeveloped

@Hagel , yep, and that is exactly what Hitler intended.

That is not an achievement to scoff at however

He did not intend NS as an eternal thing, but only a thing to turn the tide.
Again, very clearly stated in *Mein Kampf*.

The race must survive

He said that his successors MUST CHANGE AND READAPT.

If what you are saying is true, then it could have been a good first step had he not been such a fool

to not wait for atomic bombs when he had the greatest and most scientists, to attack east and west simultaneously, etc

He was "such a fool", but probably not in the way you think.

to not listen to his generals

But it's still a first step that's irrelevant to me now

and not a doctrine that I will follow, as all we know of is the first step

I think arrogance got the best of him.

He literally scoffed at his generals, at least from Speer's perspective.

@Hagel , do read: https://archive.org/details/StolfiHitlerBeyondEvilAndTyranny

With respect to your conclusions, I basically agree with them.

It is the departure points which are think are a misunderstanding. (socialism, aryanism, etc.)
And these may be crucial to understand that many positions did not dictate the defeat, so they cannot be judged as wrong.
E.g. Germany's socio-economic model was miraculous, and not at all a "failure". Despite what @diversity_is_racism , its "socialist" component was not a detriment, nor did it have anything to do with losing the war.
Do not throw the baby with the water, or something like that.

NS as it became, not as it was conceived, wasn't socialism, it was welfare capitalism

And some of the welfare was not toward money pits, but toward cultivating potential

and that's good

exactly

It may have been part of why they had so many chemists, engineers, etc

If you were smart, you got free stuff, and a spot at university

you got promoted based on talent

proven talent

So instead of the strong carrying the weak, the weak carried the strong

and i think this is one of the positive traits

no reason to throw that away

I'm not against all welfare

I can see that, I am saying, in general terms.

But I recognize that if you must force people to do it against their will, then it isn't sustainable

In regards to our conversation about throwing out NS or not.

Did he force people, actually? Does a miraculous success in 6 years show an oppressed and miserable people?

I think people were accepting of the idea

there will always be people against whatever you do, however

and that's why it happened so smoothly

These things don't emerge out of nowhere

Mohammedan countries kill gays for a reason

it's popular

For sure. So the working plan was an attempting tailoring to these people.

People with a "work" culture, but also an "idealistic" culture.

I know that eugenic ideas and social engineering ideas were popular at the time

It was mainstream in Sweden

anyway.... thanks for telling me your conclusions

So I imagine it was all over Europe

It was mainstream all over the world

Only convenience politics changed that. Mainly through Jewish lobbying.

The concept of eugenics is obviously good

It's a great sickness that people don't think so

It's because people don't value virtue anymore

or goodness

@Hagel , have you read *The Antichrist*, by Nietzsche? or are you currently reading it? ;)

I've read some stuff by Nietzsche, not that

It was a little rough in the beginning

I was reading weird translated German poems at first

and I just thought, okay

this is not what I expected

But I continued reading and started to enjoy it

I'd argue, as per Nietzsche (and I thought so before ever knowing Nietzsche), that the loss of virtue and inversion of values comes from Christianity.

I don't want to speculate about what caused what historically, but Christianity itself is an inversion of intuitive values

That is evidently true

I'd say that weird feeling is what started to make me question my Protestant faith. It was always weird that Christianity seemed to champion the weak so much, and feelings of guilt and never pride.

It's like wanting to feel sick all the time and being happy about it.

Or feeling "virtuous" about it.

Yeah

It's sick

The hoops people jump through to justify it are ridiculous

Look at it honestly, and it is clearly sick

To Hitler's credit he did want it gone over time

Can't really misquote this, but some French liberal will tell us how we are misinterpreting this:
```Here we are among Jews: this is the first thing to be borne in mind if we are not to lose the thread of the matter. This positive genius for conjuring up a delusion of personal “holiness” unmatched anywhere else, either in books or by men; this elevation of fraud in word and attitude to the level of an art— all this is not an accident due to the chance talents of an individual, or to any violation of nature. The thing responsible is race. The whole of Judaism appears in Christianity as the art of concocting holy lies, and there, after many centuries of earnest Jewish training and hard practice of Jewish technic, the business comes to the stage of mastery. The Christian, that ultima ratio of lying, is the Jew all over again— he is threefold the Jew...```
—Nietzsche, *The Antichrist*, in **No. 44**

I will only read pre WW2 translations of Nietzsche

Leftists try to dilute his meaning

This one is a 1920 translation.

It is interesting that they chose that strategy instead of the usual shit flinging

Translation by H.L. Mencken
Published 1920

It would be so easy to condemn him as a white cis male racist

I think it is because of his a-morality, there is too much they can use to their advantage too

for deconstruction and revolutionary purposes

Thing is, Nietzsche is essentially an all-out SODOMIZE THE WEAK guy, no matter who it is

What the hell does "cis" mean?

I have not been indoctrinated , so, many of those terms are obscure to me.

It means normal with regard to gender

oh

without any disorder

or issue

so, that is bad?

I was using leftist speech

i know i know

I mean, to them.

It's privileged

It's bad like white is bad

or male

haha

Or being outside of a wheelchair

kill them all

ah no, I mean, argue-with-them all

forgot that Discord is censored.

or monitored

or whatever

Separating the nations into leftist halves and nationalist halves would be great

happy feelings

Everyone is happy and goes their own way

One faction dies, one survives

I won't spoil which one is which

That would be interesting.

They can't fix incorrigible racists like me, but they can get rid of me

Where would all the cuckservatives go?

Probably to Leftistreich

to continue their old ways

They'd get to choose, I suppose

They're not a threat as they like losing

Hagel

Ill ask you to rate my metal sobg i've made a few days ago

Ok, cool

@Hagel yes I think they would go left, before going nationalist

https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeAnarchy/comments/7pc8ch/this_fucking_post_on_relsagate/

the degeneracy levels are over 9000

cliffs

laters

HOLY CRAP

THOSE ARE SOME SERIOUSLY DISTURBING SPAM VIDEOS

BUT

IT MAY GET PEOPLE TO STOP PLOPPING THEIR KIDS IN FRONT OF YOUTUBE FOR QUICK BABYSITTING

DEMOCRACY: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/01/10/014238/congress-is-about-to-vote-on-expanding-the-warrantless-surveillance-of-americans

I wish all they could see was hardcore gay porn

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTJd8dFUMAEX16r.jpg:large

A horrendously wealthy elite has deviant sexual taste? You don't say! Eyes Wide Shut is a great movie though.

Guess it's bs anyway

Probably not. A pedophile elite ran the west well before industrialization and the enlightenment under the sanction and sign of the Cross.

i mean the quote is BS

but yes, the world is ruled by interdimensional child molesting demons

https://dailystormer.red/in-the-midst-of-psychological-collapse-sargon-of-akkad-declares-himself-leader-of-bizarre-cult/ sargon has gone full retard. he is now starting his own cult, and it's a group of radical individualists" which is like a group of cock hungary lesbians. it only existss in the fantasy land of porn. this will be gloirous

@devolved yeah I assumed the quote was made up

lol what's going on

So Sargon's breaking down?

What's left of the anti SJW community then? We're going down by our own hand and we start making up cults?

the weak must die

<:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> we have a sargon the quadroon emoji

lel

So what else is going on?

Sargon is such a piece of shit

Anglos are traitors

https://mobile.twitter.com/anildash/status/951074463008940033

Can someone dm me a copy of sperm wars pdf

Need it for someone writing an article elsewhere

Kthx

That Sargon apology video is really funny

Who is sargon

sargon of akkad

"classical liberal"

@Exilarch like @UOC said, he's a "classical liberal" YouTube personality. He recently got a lot of attention for a "debate" (more like a cat fight) with the Alt-Right character Richard Spencer

I like Richard, I think he's a good public speaker, but he has some questionable associations, and he's not a good debater - even still, Sargon managed to humiliate himself

I think Sargon of Akkad would lose a debate against my chair

and he is a POC?

i think he claimed to have african ancestry

it's not really visible

He's a youtuber and part of the "skeptic community" and a "classical liberal." He's like Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin - he's basically a materialist, enlightenment dick-sucker who lacks access to the subtle planes of human reality, and who believes in the ability of all individuals to be rational participants in an egalitarian democracy

Richard is a relatively good public speaker, but not a great debater. I like that he's a bit smug though, makes his oponents look retarded

Sargon is okay when he's doing the relatively easy work of pointing out why lefist super-sjws are silly or wrong or irrational

but he doesn't have the tools to understand the full picture or promulgate a cohesive theory of the deeper problems / potential solutions

Sargon used to be really good but now he's a fart huffing r-tard

was he POC

i imagine th e hurt and humiliation that came with the formation of the Krautlike Sarcult. he must have suffered an emotional/intellectual litost. after 3 years of being told how smart he is and how great he is, he was confronted with a "litost" pain at the sight of his own mediocrity.

@Exilarch he's a 56%er

so he was never good

maybe his fully white ancestors were good

@Exilarch He claims to be 1/4 nigger

he doesn't look POC

need to see other pics of him

You can kind of see some North African/Negroid fearures

Very flat, heavy face, Asiatic eyes, tawny skin

Though some of this might be the result of his severe morbid obesity

I don't hate him. I just think he gets in over his head.

He looks 1/3 Arab to me. I think he made up the nigger thing because his audience hates Muslims

he looks southern european, kinda

southern french

A lot of Southern Europeans have noticeable Arab admixture

it gets hard to analyze fat people

His eyes are definitely way too small compared to his head, for me to ever see him as a white man

Yeah

I basically assume fat people are not white

I watch his old vids

Is that ok?

Of course

Good

I listen to his videos sometimes too

He used to be good

Hes an idiot

Like a year ago

Now he is one

But he still reports the news from a funny angle

True

I just don't take him seriously

I'm excited to listen to his threeway with Styx and Richard Spenser

I hope Styx gets some airtime. I feel like the other two would hog the mic

I listen to Anthony Brian Logan (nigger MAGAfag), and Tommy Sotomayor (self hating nigger) all the time, doesn't mean I take them seriously

I listen to sam harris whenever he has a guest I know will make him upset

Sotomayor is a uncle tom

Yes

He's a hilarious caricature of a rich coon

Tapdancin' Tommy!

I listen to Kyle Kulinski too

Total Leftist

It's pretty boring to listen to people that I agree with

Can't learn much from that

if I was some kind of figure I would be glad if other people hogged the mic

@Josh Kyle "The cuck" Kulinski

The most Leftie-Bernie bro ever

He is a cuck

For some reason I'm still subscribed to him

Need to Unsubscribe

Fucking hate him

He reports the news pretty well IMO

He's so unfunny and Smug