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yet claimed to be Christian, and in favour of Christianity
where does he claim to be Christian?
He claims Germans are Christian, and that Christianity is important to Germans.
A tool is a tool, when you see it from a high level.
some people cannot deal with it when it comes to religions
they cannot deal with this important conceptualization of leaders
Then again, maybe it was a mistake to try and use Christianity
maybe it was his downfall
```I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.```
Is this afake quote?
But... you should take such claims of Catholicism by esoteric-minded people with a grain of salt.
There are plenty of Freemasons who identify as Catholics, and not in any "fake" way, for instance.
@Hagel , in respect to such quotes, as a collection, the particular source and context is important. The detective work is to understand how they match together, and not jump to a "FAKE!" conclusion just because a superficial discrepancy is noted.
number 5 sounds plausible
Read *Mein Kampf* and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Read the memories of his childhood friend, and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Even in his pro-Christian statements later on, or his attributed quotes, they seem rather functional in scope (Christianity as a positive application, etc.).
He's not very Christian at all
And he is correct in some of his criticisms of it
And also in how Germans mutated it into a more tolerable thing
Real Politik demands strategy. You work with what you have.
A tragedy is only a tragedy, not an accomplishment.
If he went around dressed as Wotan and attempting to make a rebirth of druidic or whatever traditions happen, he would've been laughed at from day 1.
I don't believe in mobilizing the blind quantity of people, but in cultivating quality
A small reich of high quality is better than a large reich of poor quality
Idealistic, but not realistic.
the hordes will overrun your high-quality reich.
On the contrary, it is what is realistic
that is the problem
Most people have to be left behind
But that plan may work in the course of hundreds or thousands of years.
National Socialism simply wanted to turn the tide.
The strategy failed, and perhaps that "by quantity" focus was the problem, as you say.
It is what works in thousands of years, but not in decades
The opposite approach seems effective in the short term, but ends up changing nothing in the long term
Nazi victory would have assured one thing: The survival of the race
but it wouldn't have done much else
I think Savitri Devi thinks that WW2 made it possible for that refinement of underground NS to happen: NS people (not neo-Nazis) are quite high minded, and move only in elite circles, amongst themselves, and focus on quality rather than quantity. Lesson learned.
because its guiding philosophy from which the politics came was underdeveloped
That is not an achievement to scoff at however
He did not intend NS as an eternal thing, but only a thing to turn the tide.
Again, very clearly stated in *Mein Kampf*.
The race must survive
He said that his successors MUST CHANGE AND READAPT.
If what you are saying is true, then it could have been a good first step had he not been such a fool
to not wait for atomic bombs when he had the greatest and most scientists, to attack east and west simultaneously, etc
He was "such a fool", but probably not in the way you think.
to not listen to his generals
But it's still a first step that's irrelevant to me now
and not a doctrine that I will follow, as all we know of is the first step
I think arrogance got the best of him.
He literally scoffed at his generals, at least from Speer's perspective.
With respect to your conclusions, I basically agree with them.
It is the departure points which are think are a misunderstanding. (socialism, aryanism, etc.)
And these may be crucial to understand that many positions did not dictate the defeat, so they cannot be judged as wrong.
E.g. Germany's socio-economic model was miraculous, and not at all a "failure". Despite what @diversity_is_racism , its "socialist" component was not a detriment, nor did it have anything to do with losing the war.
Do not throw the baby with the water, or something like that.
NS as it became, not as it was conceived, wasn't socialism, it was welfare capitalism
And some of the welfare was not toward money pits, but toward cultivating potential
and that's good
It may have been part of why they had so many chemists, engineers, etc
If you were smart, you got free stuff, and a spot at university
you got promoted based on talent
So instead of the strong carrying the weak, the weak carried the strong
and i think this is one of the positive traits
no reason to throw that away
I'm not against all welfare
I can see that, I am saying, in general terms.
But I recognize that if you must force people to do it against their will, then it isn't sustainable
In regards to our conversation about throwing out NS or not.
Did he force people, actually? Does a miraculous success in 6 years show an oppressed and miserable people?
I think people were accepting of the idea
there will always be people against whatever you do, however
and that's why it happened so smoothly
These things don't emerge out of nowhere
Mohammedan countries kill gays for a reason
For sure. So the working plan was an attempting tailoring to these people.
People with a "work" culture, but also an "idealistic" culture.
I know that eugenic ideas and social engineering ideas were popular at the time
It was mainstream in Sweden
anyway.... thanks for telling me your conclusions
So I imagine it was all over Europe
It was mainstream all over the world
Only convenience politics changed that. Mainly through Jewish lobbying.
The concept of eugenics is obviously good
It's a great sickness that people don't think so
It's because people don't value virtue anymore
@Hagel , have you read *The Antichrist*, by Nietzsche? or are you currently reading it? ;)
I've read some stuff by Nietzsche, not that
It was a little rough in the beginning
I was reading weird translated German poems at first
and I just thought, okay
this is not what I expected
But I continued reading and started to enjoy it
I'd argue, as per Nietzsche (and I thought so before ever knowing Nietzsche), that the loss of virtue and inversion of values comes from Christianity.
I don't want to speculate about what caused what historically, but Christianity itself is an inversion of intuitive values
That is evidently true
I'd say that weird feeling is what started to make me question my Protestant faith. It was always weird that Christianity seemed to champion the weak so much, and feelings of guilt and never pride.
It's like wanting to feel sick all the time and being happy about it.
Or feeling "virtuous" about it.
The hoops people jump through to justify it are ridiculous
Look at it honestly, and it is clearly sick
To Hitler's credit he did want it gone over time
Can't really misquote this, but some French liberal will tell us how we are misinterpreting this:
```Here we are among Jews: this is the first thing to be borne in mind if we are not to lose the thread of the matter. This positive genius for conjuring up a delusion of personal “holiness” unmatched anywhere else, either in books or by men; this elevation of fraud in word and attitude to the level of an art— all this is not an accident due to the chance talents of an individual, or to any violation of nature. The thing responsible is race. The whole of Judaism appears in Christianity as the art of concocting holy lies, and there, after many centuries of earnest Jewish training and hard practice of Jewish technic, the business comes to the stage of mastery. The Christian, that ultima ratio of lying, is the Jew all over again— he is threefold the Jew...```
—Nietzsche, *The Antichrist*, in **No. 44**
I will only read pre WW2 translations of Nietzsche
Leftists try to dilute his meaning
This one is a 1920 translation.
It is interesting that they chose that strategy instead of the usual shit flinging
Translation by H.L. Mencken
It would be so easy to condemn him as a white cis male racist
I think it is because of his a-morality, there is too much they can use to their advantage too
for deconstruction and revolutionary purposes
Thing is, Nietzsche is essentially an all-out SODOMIZE THE WEAK guy, no matter who it is
What the hell does "cis" mean?
I have not been indoctrinated , so, many of those terms are obscure to me.
It means normal with regard to gender
without any disorder
so, that is bad?
I was using leftist speech
i know i know
I mean, to them.
It's bad like white is bad
Or being outside of a wheelchair
kill them all
ah no, I mean, argue-with-them all
forgot that Discord is censored.
Separating the nations into leftist halves and nationalist halves would be great
Everyone is happy and goes their own way
One faction dies, one survives
I won't spoil which one is which
That would be interesting.
They can't fix incorrigible racists like me, but they can get rid of me
Where would all the cuckservatives go?
Probably to Leftistreich
to continue their old ways
They'd get to choose, I suppose
They're not a threat as they like losing
Ill ask you to rate my metal sobg i've made a few days ago
the degeneracy levels are over 9000
THOSE ARE SOME SERIOUSLY DISTURBING SPAM VIDEOS
IT MAY GET PEOPLE TO STOP PLOPPING THEIR KIDS IN FRONT OF YOUTUBE FOR QUICK BABYSITTING
I wish all they could see was hardcore gay porn
A horrendously wealthy elite has deviant sexual taste? You don't say! Eyes Wide Shut is a great movie though.
Guess it's bs anyway
Probably not. A pedophile elite ran the west well before industrialization and the enlightenment under the sanction and sign of the Cross.
i mean the quote is BS
but yes, the world is ruled by interdimensional child molesting demons
https://dailystormer.red/in-the-midst-of-psychological-collapse-sargon-of-akkad-declares-himself-leader-of-bizarre-cult/ sargon has gone full retard. he is now starting his own cult, and it's a group of radical individualists" which is like a group of cock hungary lesbians. it only existss in the fantasy land of porn. this will be gloirous
lol what's going on
So Sargon's breaking down?
What's left of the anti SJW community then? We're going down by our own hand and we start making up cults?
the weak must die
<:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> <:sargonquadroon:400703947318231041> we have a sargon the quadroon emoji
So what else is going on?
Sargon is such a piece of shit
Anglos are traitors
Can someone dm me a copy of sperm wars pdf
Need it for someone writing an article elsewhere
That Sargon apology video is really funny
Who is sargon
sargon of akkad
I like Richard, I think he's a good public speaker, but he has some questionable associations, and he's not a good debater - even still, Sargon managed to humiliate himself
I think Sargon of Akkad would lose a debate against my chair
and he is a POC?
i think he claimed to have african ancestry
it's not really visible
He's a youtuber and part of the "skeptic community" and a "classical liberal." He's like Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin - he's basically a materialist, enlightenment dick-sucker who lacks access to the subtle planes of human reality, and who believes in the ability of all individuals to be rational participants in an egalitarian democracy
Richard is a relatively good public speaker, but not a great debater. I like that he's a bit smug though, makes his oponents look retarded
Sargon is okay when he's doing the relatively easy work of pointing out why lefist super-sjws are silly or wrong or irrational
but he doesn't have the tools to understand the full picture or promulgate a cohesive theory of the deeper problems / potential solutions
Sargon used to be really good but now he's a fart huffing r-tard
was he POC
i imagine th e hurt and humiliation that came with the formation of the Krautlike Sarcult. he must have suffered an emotional/intellectual litost. after 3 years of being told how smart he is and how great he is, he was confronted with a "litost" pain at the sight of his own mediocrity.
so he was never good
maybe his fully white ancestors were good
he doesn't look POC
need to see other pics of him
You can kind of see some North African/Negroid fearures
Very flat, heavy face, Asiatic eyes, tawny skin
Though some of this might be the result of his severe morbid obesity
I don't hate him. I just think he gets in over his head.
He looks 1/3 Arab to me. I think he made up the nigger thing because his audience hates Muslims
he looks southern european, kinda
A lot of Southern Europeans have noticeable Arab admixture
it gets hard to analyze fat people
His eyes are definitely way too small compared to his head, for me to ever see him as a white man
I basically assume fat people are not white
I watch his old vids
Is that ok?
I listen to his videos sometimes too
He used to be good
Hes an idiot
Like a year ago
Now he is one
But he still reports the news from a funny angle
I just don't take him seriously
I'm excited to listen to his threeway with Styx and Richard Spenser
I hope Styx gets some airtime. I feel like the other two would hog the mic
I listen to Anthony Brian Logan (nigger MAGAfag), and Tommy Sotomayor (self hating nigger) all the time, doesn't mean I take them seriously
I listen to sam harris whenever he has a guest I know will make him upset
Sotomayor is a uncle tom
He's a hilarious caricature of a rich coon
I listen to Kyle Kulinski too
It's pretty boring to listen to people that I agree with
Can't learn much from that
if I was some kind of figure I would be glad if other people hogged the mic
The most Leftie-Bernie bro ever
He is a cuck
For some reason I'm still subscribed to him
Need to Unsubscribe
Fucking hate him
He reports the news pretty well IMO
He's so unfunny and Smug