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power isn't the only value

why the anti catholicism?

simple my dude

All Wagner is pretty bad

today, our plague is the SJW. the SJW push universalist egalitarianism. They were not the first to come up with these ideas however, so who gave them the idea?

@Parasite nah it rules

Well, SJW are just the next generation of 1968 civil rights spergs, who were just the american branch of marxism with a lot of ties between groups

so if they are essentially marxists going about enforcing universal equality, where did they get the idea?

why, from enlightenment philosophy, of course

you may recall that the alt right was called the dark enlightenment at one point, this is why

enlightenment philosophy was, however, a rebellion against the catholic church... for not being catholic enough

ok pause there

essentially, spergs in the catholic church got mad that "liberty, equality, fraternity" was being practiced insufficiently... by those same catholics who preached it in the first place

wait a sec, so that libery equality fraternity stuff came from catholocism?

yes

look at their religion

"all children of god"

seems pretty hierarchichal though

catholic - katholikos - universal

well yes, it is hierarchical, but only because it inherited a more hierarchical society to parasitize

right

at first extremely hierarchical feudal europeans inherit a religion that tells them everyone is equal

then after a while people say "wait a minute this nobility and pope business is not egalitarian enough! I thought the religion said we were equal!" and so they dethroned the kings and the pope and became protestants and seculars still obsessed about equality, with a slightly flatter hierarchy

then the marxists did it again, another "You people aren't egalitarian enough! >_<" plus flattening of hierarchy

now with SJW flashmob tactics the hierarchy is almost entirely flat, I don't know how they could get it flatter

but people look at classical european society with its heavy catholic influences and fundamentally misattribute the beauty, grandeur, hierarchy and organization of that society as being catholic in origin

really what they are looking at is the results of thousands of years of living one way, building up that race and society, then suddenly slapping catholic labels on everything, and then at the snapshot in history they show you with renaissance paintings and shit, you see all of the wonderful stuff before it decayed but with CATHOLIC 😃 written on it in bold face

hold on

it's like having an athlete work out hard and eat a shitload of protein for 10 years, then for 2 weeks become a vegan and do nothing but meditate, and then turn around and say "his body is the way it is because of veganism and meditation"

a lot of that renaissance stuff was explicitly religious

I know

that's what I am telling you

you're saying the mass in bm would have happened without Jeebus

i find that hard to believe

Exilarch did you change your handle?

Christianity and monotheism has been inspirational

it wouldn't have happened, but something like it would have

a pagan version

yes

dalit mothafucka

but paganism was pretty degenerate too

it wasn't only greatness

that's not what we're discussing

what we're discussing is the fact that "golden era catholicism" preached a doctrine that eliminated the conditions its own existence requires

any Golden Era came far before that bogus dogma

it requires talent, loyalty, vision and hierarchy to have that sort of catholic age/culture, but the elimination of talent/loyalty/vision/hierarchy is the logical conclusion of catholic doctrine

The golden age of man was when we were hunter gatherers.

well that's definitely not true

lol

LOL WERE YOU THERE BRO?

fucking and sharing

see how the topic randomly shifted?

strong tribe

embrace the ape.

non sequitur retardation

no I accept what you say @Exilarch

that's a neat topic, if only that's what we were talking about

tisk tisk i know

well another thing @spacetimed is that people point to hierarchical/tribal stuff in the bible as evidence for why catholicism is fascist or whatever

well i only say that from experience

that catholics are sympathetic that's all

they are entirely right about that, as far as I can tell from having read the hell out of the book several times, even the new testament was an entirely tribal guide for how the people "in the club" should be ultra super nice to each other, but blatantly listing exclusion criteria, people to kick out and not associate with, etc

not any theological reason

and italians actually tend to act like that, I admit

yes i do not think universal love is possible

the problem however is that the equality dogma their church has been pushing for the last ~1700 years is not actually in their book

and to force it is itself a cruelty

the niceans blatantly cherry picked religious works to try to support their agenda, like if Amerika.org were taken as ultimate truth but you put Reddit in charge of editing the condensed version of Ultimate Truth

they would go through and find the one line where prozak said racism is bad, take that part,then throw out tons of other work that contradicted that assertion

when you read a Kang James Bible, that is effectively what you are reading

so how do the Jews fit into this all then

some people strongly assert that they had a role in either the Nicean tampering, or that they fabricated the whole NT as a ploy to soften the goys

that they literally used it as memetic warfare 2000 years ago when we were all living in one room houses and traveling by caravan, that's basically the Der Ewige Jude theory

that they were the aggressor from the start, and they made up a whole book of religion to ruin us

that doesn't seem very likely to me

I agree tbh

as always, far too much is being attributed to them

i hope you share these ideals at church and aren't just blowing smoke @Exilarch

Parasite elaborate

You are a church goer?

yes

sorry to interrupt, but which kind?

Mormon

ur serious?

yes, however I am now effectively inactive

You have a platfrom to speak upon at church, you have a group of people willing to listen.

they screwed up their own religion too, following the same pattern as the other christians

Do you voice your views

wow what the fuck look at this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
```The King James Version (KJV), also known as the King James Bible (KJB) or simply the Authorized Version (AV), is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England begun in 1604 and completed in 1611.[a] The books of the King James Version include the 39 books of the Old Testament, an intertestamental section containing 14 books of the Apocrypha (most of which correspond to books in the Vulgate Deuterocanon adhered to by Roman Catholics), and the 27 books of the New Testament.```

or do you sit there.

in the 1600s there were 14 additional books of the bible included in the KJV

now considered apocryphal

just in the last 400 years of dalitianity, they have removed 14 entire books from the KJV

those 14 books must've contradicted their platform of liberte, egalite, farternite

I discuss my thoughts pretty openly and I don't pull punches, but I don't like to do it at church anymore

primarily because they control the venue

weak

I'll happily discuss my thoughts with mormons at a neutral location

https://www.quartoknows.com/blog/quartodrives/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/Steam-Engine-4.jpg

do it at church

so Joseph Smith received revelation from The Almighty?

do you believe that?

Joseph Smith was smart enough to know people are dumb and easily influenced

which is why @Exilarch should enforce his views at his local gatherings

lol. People who've been taught to worship human beings are dumb.

then Mormonism needs to be drastically reinvented.

Mormons don't worship Joseph Smith

yes I believe that @spacetimed

no, mormons worship the doctrine of Spencer W. Kimball (who contradicted every prophet before him hugely) and also the BYU honor code

and Mitt Romney and general conservadad republicanism

what actual God might have revealed to Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, these are of secondary importance, and if they contradict the former, are bitterly stigmatized

as far as I can tell, FLDS are correct

Do mormons believe his story?

Joseph Smith's? Yeah it stands to reason, but fun fact, that story is tampered as well

there is an official version printed in every copy of the mormon scriptures

but if you actually dig up the old cursive written documents by joseph smith, there were other details added and removed

man.

there were like 4 different versions he said, all were roughly the same but slightly different descriptors were used in one of them, and the modern church zeroed in on it and decided, "THAT is what Joseph saw!"

and what did his journal say

so he was a nut

it's called the Joseph Smith Papers, you can just google it even

why would i even bother

but off the top of my head, it said the gods appeared to him in a pillar of flame, old testament style, not a pillar of light like the LDS say

just a small detail really, I could reread it again

I actually believe Joseph Smith entirely - to the point that I am forced to disbelieve my church

which is rather ironic

why have you not taken control of the cult you are apart of yet? @Exilarch

Are you an atheist @Parasite

well, because I do not believe it works like that

sounds like your local church is full of dummies

and you are the smart one

they all are, I move all over the country and go to mormon churches while I travel

it's not like it is a local phenomenon

no i am not atheist

it's systemic

ahhh

following the chain of command?

that, plus they are silly people who take religion quite lightly

most of them have barely studied the book of mormon at all, much less read all of it

even fewer of them have actually read the entire 4 books we believe in

bible, book of mormon, doctrine & covenants, pearl of great price

anyone who remotely believes in the Joseph Smith story is fair game

channel their false spiritual energy into a brighter future

move these people man

there are huge volumes of writing by brigham young and people high in the church, quite well documented, something like 8000 pages of it. The number of mormons who even KNOW about it is so small that it rounds to zero

has the alt right pagan-christian split been resolved yet?

i saw that there was such a thing

the number of people who actually read it all... well, let's put it this way, if I actually read it all, I might literally be the only one

if I did that, I might be literally the most studied mormon on the face of the whole earth

so do it

I am, it's just a lot of material

it'll take years to finish

but I'm getting demoralized

well bring people with your interpretation

I'd like to

bring them to the white light of Aryanism

Brigham Young unambiguously stated that nordic people were God's chosen race

i honestly figured you best as a cult leader.

not even cult in the obscure way though

if I was called by a divine being to do it, I would do it, but if that did not happen I would never do it, and I would never fake it

okay so maybe i put a little more fluoride in your water

i respect your reasoning but my god man, Joseph Smith was a con.

it's just hard to read page after page of doctrine explaining how God told them to establish a PERFECT society, and I read it and it actually DOES sound perfect, and then to have to know that it was taken away entirely by normal stupid people

re-interpret the meaning of GOD to the sheep amongst you

if he conned people into explosively populating nordic people out in the woods, living wild and free with guns and bowie knives and race warring against indians, how is that a bad thing even if it's all fake?

I believe him to the letter, but how would that be bad even if he just lied

because it draws away from the true gods

that would be a very productive lie to say the least, he almost resulted in an all nordic country being made

and denies the natural order

what are the true gods

paganism is rooted in a elaborate run around of life death and rebirth

each figure, maybe a real person at one time, represents either a cycle or law of nature

at some point in time

wait

Regional understanding of MOTHER EARTH

so they /might/ have been real people once, otherwise are representative of useful principles that teach us stuff in stories passed down

that's just useful mythology, not a religion

Real peoples deeds used for stories to pass on

no

because the LAW exists

doesn't make it bad, but how are you to tell me these are "the true gods" when you just blatantly said of your own words that you are not even sure they exist

while that is true, you asserted your **gods** existed, and were the true gods

i dont say there is TRUE GODS

i say there is LAW

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Parasite - Today at 11:41 PM
because it draws away from the true gods
and denies the natural order```

retard

ok, True Gods

are the laws

atheist larping as a pagan because it sounds metal and fun

NOT beings

called it

oh take it easy

atheist trying to preach religion to me

what?

you just said the gods are not even beings, and you said they don't even exist

you know i dont believe in gods you ass hole

you are an atheist larping as a viking

archetypes

ive told you this

then why are you mad I called you an atheist

time and time again

you are a vikang

represent laws of the land

we wuz vikangz

believe in odin (who's fake btw) becuz ur ancestars did it!!!

you can call me an atheist

it doesnt bug me

okay, but I am not going to seek true gods from an open atheist

just saying

to believe in without understanding is to deny the true gods

the laws of land dictate all we know

can I be a vikang if I don't believe in the trve godz?

I relly like Amon Amarth 😦

you cannot be a viking if you are not a viking

they did a song abot vikangz it wuz gud

there are no vikings left. they died.

exactly so even if we assume Joseph Smith lied, his lie still would've resulted in essentially a whole new scandinavian country in the rocky mountain region of the USA, and then there would more likely still be something describable as vikings left

so even if your goal is to make vikangz, my religion is still better

that was gay.

Joseph Smith was delusional and because of this, a denier or the laws of nature

what is gay about a good man having 50 entirely nordic children

how is that bad at all

the idea that a religion is good because of its use seems heretical, you should burn for it

I should burn?

lol religion isn't for making vikings

it's true or it's not true

I should burn for even having an idea, despite being so smart and well read and useful?

his fantasy of god was meant to dismay his fellow countrymen

for just talking about an idea in passing?

i was only kidding bro

but that is still heretical imo

let me put it like this

to me the truth of religion is maximally important, but in my view nearly all of them are outright fake, and if they are going to do fake religion anyway they may as well do it in a way with productive results

none of us will go to fluffy cloud heaven that Pastor Steve down the street preaches about

that's such bullshit

if it's fake we may as well be progressives and try and do it ourselves

If Thor is not physically riding above the skies causing thunder and lightning with his chariot, then GODS do not exist.

it's true because the world shows us it is

when it pertains to race, that's called being a nazi, and I agree

remove the religious stuff from it and just chase the result, and thati s what nazism is

which is fine by me, and honestly more honest

nazism had that pagan stuff though didnt it

so it's not really atheistic

well yes, and there was reasons for it

it had a concept of divinity

it was self idolotry

They never have and never will. Misrepresenting the true gods, the laws of nature, is what is true BLASPHEMY