the TLDR is twofold

1: Indians don't have the title to their land, they have a "right of occupancy" so indians can't sell their land to private citizens, because they don't have title in the first place. The US does. So Indians can only cede their right of occupancy to the US.

2: Some really thoughtful discussion about the "right of discovery" that forms the basis of the US government's right to sovereignty over conquered land

Aztec spergs don't own anything

that's a TLDR to the TLDR

What percentage of lawyers are suicidal

Cursed image

a lot

I think only dentists are more suicidal

I want to become a scientist less each day

I want to be a lawyer less each day

Yeah but I'm still young enough that I can switch my occupation fairly easily

You're already doomed

Haha

I'm pretty doomed, but I am developing a few decent exit strategies

what science are you doing @TendieLord

@J · physics and chemistry

Physics is awful

Chemistry is ok

haha im majoring in physics, i really like it

I don't

howcome?

what kind of scientist will you be

I can't stand the community

Idk

I was planning on going into academia

But I really dislike the university setting

Mostly because of the people

Probably a physical chemist if anything

what don't you like about the community?

@devolved I left retard Mormon chat

@J · it's spergy and obnoxious

And not in a good way

Everybody gets on my nerves

Everybody is out for fame and fortune, the history has become quasi-mythological hero worship

Diversity shit is off the chain too

yeah you aren't wrong to be fair, although i only really notice it being particularly spergy and obnoxious in pop science

You're right it isn't as bad among the serious members

Still bad

the professors tend to be pretty chill most of the time, and most of the women drop out after the first year

so much for the diversity

Yes

The diversity cuckoldry is worst in astronomy.

Good Lord

you in the US I presume?

It's almost as bad as sociology

I am

I can only assume the whole diversity shit is worse over there, haven't noticed much asides from women here

Are you European

UK

Yeah

Yeah it's pretty bad

only east asian and whites on my course

The east Asians are part of the problem

So many of them are in it for all the wrong reasons

really? I haven't heard of this before

practically all of them are international students from china here

For as much as I bitch about this place I can speak my mind pretty freely here. I appreciate it. Group hug @here

You bitch about this place?

i'm gonna bitch about you for pinging

^

Still group hug

❤

What's wrong with this place?

I like this place

Love you @Deleted User 57835c2c

hug

Lubvyew Exee LARrRrCH!

Khagg

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Cocks

@Deleted User 57835c2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mcqb3LO_OQ

hahahaha

im going to try that next time im in a fight Nester

then i'll send you a pic of the aftermath of my face.

Shit on your hands and put up a fist

He won't want to fight you

That is a great technique if you got yourself in way over your head i suppose.

He'll run off like a beta cuck

i call this move the GG ALLIN 💩 🖐

Shit doesnt effect the chad

Or the Indian

Indian Handshake

Was just about to say that

😃

He might try to shake it

Instead of the hand spit->shake?

lol

The Indian secret handshake

seriously though , choke holds are great

olympic grip + neck lock renders the opponents blows weaker and weaker as they tire themselves out

noogie them to death

you could start the fight with death noogie

mess the dudes hair up

maybe throw a slap in there

but then it's on buddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc3E7UkIzt4

this is how ya begin a good scrap

@Nester did you wrestle your friends when you were younger

Yeah, @Parasite

were you the strongest

No.

did you ever beat the strongest

It wasn't something we did regularly so as to make it clear who was the strongest.

But yeah.

no fucking dominance hierarchy?

No fighter hierarchy

But other kinds of hierarchies

bummer

you're too civilized

nester doesn't cause problems

he doesn't need to know how to fight the way I need to know how to fight

Nester I got a religious question for you

Shoot

to the nearest hundred pages, roughly how long is the koran

600 hundred I think

okay

It's not as long as the bible

and it's about the dealings of the prophet muhammad, who muslims religiously follow, correct?

Just checked, 604 pages

It's partly about that

But many other things as well

That's alot of fire starter

it's significantly about that though, correct?

The hadeeth primarily deals with that

is that a true enough generality that I can hypothesize from it?

Significantly, yes.

Most of it doesn't talk about that.

okay. So assuming the koran is a 600 page document about muhammad, who was a true prophet, plus other useful doctrine revealed from the true god, let's go from there

It's not about muhammad.

But he's a recurring topic.

let's say, hypothetically speaking, that people following muhammad around all day had an additional 9,500 pages of his direct discourses documented by chronological order and indexed by topic, documented down to the very day and location where each sermon was given

The hadeeth documents what he said and what he did and what he approved and disapproved of.

That exists.

well hold on a sec

It's the hadeeth, not the quran.

let's say it's on top of what already exists

okay

so let's change the scenario

quran = core religious document, hadeeth = much longer work chronicling everything the true prophet said in great detail

There are many times more hadeeth than verses in the quran.

Quran, what god said. Hadeeth, what the prophet said and did.

Though the prophet is guided by god.

if I told you there were muslims who read the quran and believed it was a true book, and that muhammad was a true prophet, but regarding the hadeeth they acknowledged its authenticity yet paradoxically disregarded it as "apocrypha" and never referred to it and strongly discouraged its study, what would you make of that?

what would your conclusion be about this hypothetical muslim sect?

There are a lot of false hadeeths. Most hadeeths are false.

And the sources are the same, so it doesn't make sense to discount the hadeeth but not the quran.

right, exactly

but let's pretend some Sect X decided to do exactly that

how would you think about that sect

It's discouraged to study some hadeeth generally

As there's a lot of false hadeeths

Depending on their reasoning, they might be apostates.

let's say their reasoning was, "our current religious leaders don't explicitly endorse its reading, therefore it is bad to read it, even though we believe the document is genuine"

What does it mean for religious leaders to not endorse its reading? Hadeeth is essential. What they would do is set out the real ones from the false ones, the real ones would be followed as gospel.

For example, the quran would tell you to pray.

well, exactly as I said. Let us say this Sect X of muslims had religious leaders that strongly discourage the reading of the hadeeth, yet believe the whole document to be authentic, and therefore the religious adherents feel like it's some kind of sin or apostasy to even open the hadeeth

But the hadeeth would tell you how you'd go about doing that.

Without hadeeth, and tradition, you wouldn't know how to pray.

these people don't know how at all

in fact almost none of the adherents at this point even know the hadeeth exists

That's an unprecedented situation.

There isn't a hadeeth document. There are compilations.

let's say that occurred to the letter. what would you think?

Various compilations exist

What would I think of who? The leaders?

They would be apostates.

The followers, depending on how much they know and their intentions.

so the leaders would be apostates

Either their leaders would shoulder the blame and they excused, or they would be apostates as well.

The leaders definitely would be.

what would distinguish the one from the other

One being genuinely misled.

but let us say they know of the existence of the hadeeth also, and also believe that it is a genuine document - in fact, they publicly affirm that very fact twice a year in a big meeting.

But don't follow it?

yes

and kick out anyone who does, and call them apostates

and become suspicious of anyone who so much admits to owning any hadeeth compilations

Not following some hadeeth would make you an apostate, not following some hadeeth would just make you a sinner, not following some hadeeth isn't ideal but you wouldn't have sinned not following it.

But rejecting it wholesale, while thinking it should be followed, would be apostasy.

They would be apostates in your scenario.

from where I am sitting, they would be horrible followers of the prophet if they believed they had a huge body of work directly from the people who followed the prophet in person, yet did not diligently read it and try to abide by it

They wouldn't be followers at all, if they're not actually following him.

that's right

They'd just be placating their communities

And be worse than non believers perhaps

that does seem reasonable, doesn't it?

Perfectly.

so the whole hypothetical was not about your religion, but mine

I am having some trouble and not quite sure what to do

Christianity is just social glue for a lot of people now.

I am not a christian, I am a mormon

What happened?

we believe in two specific prophets, who gave us a specific book we take as holy scripture. Mainstream mormons listen very intently to this book and to the modern leaders of the church. However, approximately 9,500 pages of modern and carefully documented sermons by the early leaders of our religion exist, however nobody follows them, nobody talks about them, but everyone knows they exist. They are a big giant taboo. I am starting to be called an apostate for directly reading the compiled words of our own prophets.

Why do they discount the sermons?

they don't know. If you ask them they can't tell you. However, they sneeringly refer to them as "non canonical, apocrypha"

"early leaders" are they prophets?

we believe so, yes, as prerequisite to believing in our religion

Why do they refer to them as apocrypha?

because they are not canonized by our leaders today.

Are current leaders prophets as well?

allegedly

If it's a sure thing that earlier leaders were prophets, then it's a sure thing that current leaders aren't.

As contradiction couldn't exist.

that does seem clear, doesn't it?

Unless earlier teachings were explicitly timed.

no, they were not timed, they explicitly stated they were never to be overturned.

You are not a mormon

They used language such as "the eternal law of heaven, which cannot be withdrawn," and "thus it always was and ever shall be"

Yes, then.

It's clear as day.

Can't be argued.

Start your own religion and introduce it into the program at the detox clinic.

The current leaders wouldn't be prophets, and would be apostates.

so then... let's say you were the true god and you set prophets on the earth, and then some retards overturned all their doctrines while continuing the true religion in name only, and one guy called bullshit and read the words of the prophets you sent anyway and tried to obey them. How would that look to you

let's say you were somehow assigned by god to be part of the process of judging whether or not people should go to heaven or hell, and you saw that situation play out

God would protect his prophets from erring in matters of his religion.

If they err, it means god didn't send them.

And they're frauds.

To be fought.

Is that what happened with you?

precisely

brb cooking

9500 pages on top of the bible is a lot, it should be left to god fearing scholars to frame it and make sense of it.

If those exist, follow them.

If they don't, leave it up to god and speak the truth as you see it.

Question your motives, as you would be held accountable for those.

http://matthewhopkinsnews.com/?p=5304

SJWs....

should I get firefox or chrome

or something else

Doesn't matter

They're mostly the same

I have chrome because of specific plugins I want to keep using

adblock?

No.

Both have that.

Google Dictionary, and google mail checker, and currency converter

is there text missing for you

What do you mean?

me asking what browser is best

and your response

it's missing

@Nester LOOK INTO BRAVE. NOT FILLED WITH AIDS AND YOU CAN HALF-ASSEDLY INSTALL CHROME PLUGINS.

I'm comfortable with my setup

@devolved GET BRAVE

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