actually I think first we have to address; is technology, progress etc. the product of scale effects or of individuals?

as far as I can see, history is a history of great men

not institutions

What is the Endogenous Personality? And why is he so important?
In a nutshell, we argue that the Endogenous personality is the type of a potential genius – a compound of abilities and attitudes, of intelligence and innerness. As a strong generalization: the true geniuses are Endogenous personalities; and it is from Endogenous personalities that geniuses arise.
The Endogenous personality is the ‘inner’ Man; a person whose outlook on life is ‘inward.’ He is inner-directed, inner-driven, inner-motivated; one who uses inner modes of thinking, inner evaluations, in-tuition; one who is to a high degree autonomous, self-sufficient; one who is relatively indifferent to social pressures, influences and inducements.
He stands in stark contrast to the Exogenous personality; that is, to most people. The Exogenous Personality is orientated toward the environment, particularly the social environment. These are people who want more than anything else social (including sexual) status, worldly success; people whose perceptions are directed outwards and who try to align their behaviour with group norms.
When described in such terms, the Endogenous personality might appear anti-social, uncooperative, a dreamer, not the kind of person we might wish to have to deal with on a regular basis. We would probably be accurate in perceiving the Endogenous Personality in this negative way. We probably wouldn’t want to go for a drink with him, let alone be friends with him.

But he is important; he is very important. Because the Endogenous personality is the archetypal ‘genius.’ He is the type of a genius – whether a large scale, world historical genius of the highest level achieved by humanity – a Shakespeare, a Beethoven or an Einstein – or a local, tribal, or town genius; a shaman, a sculptor, an inventor whose name is unrecorded (yet who might be the originator of some great but anonymous ballad, folk song, painting -- or a technological breakthrough such as the spade, spear-thrower, arch or stirrup).
Genuine ‘breakthrough’, world-impact creativity is so rare, so difficult (far more difficult than commonly imagined) that it requires a special kind of mind – a mind especially designed for this kind of work (inner work). There need not be many such men – indeed, there should not be too many, since the necessary mind is relatively unfit for the primary, day-to-day, activities of survival and reproduction of the species. But such men are needed – sooner or later, from time to time.
These are the people who (whether we know their names or not) will almost-certainly be behind the scientific and technical breakthroughs that are the motor of civilization, these are people whose can inspire and unite society moving it towards greater things or out of the depths of despair and ennui; these are the people who can rescue a society on the brink of catastrophe.

(I think there are some minor issues with the above, but other than that I can only agree)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40936334

post Marxists hate the great man theory

of history

but I'm not sure I've seen anyone else tie it to personality traits like that

its something many realize implicitly

consider the stereotype of the genius

basically, a kook

yeah

wait

so what happened

nothing

they shutdown the former altright server

init?

yeah

the altright.com server

https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/897170310348263426

ah i see

this place isn't really connected to that

yeah i get it

@UOC the basic idea:

Genius is a certain personality and certain traits

what are those traits?

The ability to become very good at something (in terms of deep understanding)

which requires higher than average intelligence, and dedication towards a certain field

Then the ability to be creative and innovate

partially that requires high IQ as well, but only up to the depth of understanding point

real creativity is psychoticism

clinical psychoses are the extreme end of a line that has genius and artist on it somewhere

this is easily proven, artists tend to have a preponderance of schizophrenia

it is my belief that there is no categorical difference between the artistic and scientific genius

nothing that divides them beyond just being involved in arts vs. sciences

Really? I would agree, depending on who you count as artistic geniuses. I think think "raw" creative genius often lacks the sort of Conscientious personality that seems necessary for other geniuses

but for someone like Bach or whoever, they seem to line up

ah but geniuses are often dedicated

but almost never conscientous

certainly no genius is more conscientous than the average person

usually the successful people have other figures in their life

or some environment

that allows them to live comfortably and sensibly

well maybe I'm using the wrong word. dedicated is better

my problem is Charlton has already surpassed and consolidated anything I could say

but at the same time

just linking a book doesn't end well

so I end up quoting or summarizing him with a smattering of my own ideas

Chapter 9 is called The Shaman versus the Head Girl

the true genius is the former, the type of person likely to succeed in the world is the latter

i have his book bookmarked

The ‘Head Girl’ is thus even more problematic in terms of genius. The stereotypical Head Girl is an all-rounder: performs extremely well in all school subjects and has a very high ‘Grade Point Average’ as it is termed in the USA. She is excellent at sports, Captaining all the major teams. She is also pretty, popular, sociable and well-behaved.
The Head Girl will probably be a big success in life, in whatever terms being a big success happens to be framed (she will gravitate towards such aspects of life) – so she might in some times and places make a good marriage and do a great job of raising a family; in another time and place she might go to a top-notch college and get a top-notch job – and pursue a glamorous and infertile lifestyle of ‘serial monogamy’; with desirable mates.

But the Head Girl is not, cannot be, a creative genius. The genius is pretty much everything the Head Girl is not. He (or she) is lop-sided in his abilities – truly excellent at some things or maybe just one thing, he is either hopeless or bored by many others. He won’t work hard for long periods at things he does not want to do. He will not gravitate to the prestige areas of life and cannot, or will not, do the networking necessary to get-on.
The Head Girl can never be a creative genius because she does what other people want by the standards they most value. She will work harder and at a higher standard in doing whatever it is that social pressure tells her to do – and she will do this by whatever social standards prevail, only more thoroughly. Meanwhile the creative genius will do what he does because he must.
The Head Girl will not want to alienate potentially powerful allies. Meanwhile the creative genius is indifferent or hostile to the opinions of others so long as he knows he is right.
The Head Girl is great to have around, everybody thinks she is wonderful. Meanwhile the creative genius is at best a person who divides opinion, strongly, in both directions – at worst often a signed-up member of the awkward squad.

@UOC as we share a personality type I can reasonably assume that while you are well meaning, things like "read this book" tend to fall into a hole from which they will never be recovered

its certainly the case for me

I get to about 80% of the things I start out intending to do.

But not always on the time scale people appreciate

pretty good

I wish I could do that

I'll read that book eventually. I like Charlton.

This is just a particularly busy summer for me.

its more like a long essay than a book to be honest

even better

I think my personality is like a that of a genius except without the intellect or willingness to forgo all social pressures

I have learned that unless someone does cure mortality in my lifetime, I won't get to do 5% of the things that seem interesting to me, so I've basically just picked a couple and I don't do anything else

Charlton doesn't have the benefit of MBTI

you add that together to these ideas and you get something even stronger

some of the "endogenous personalities" would be MBTI extraverts

basically, all the Ns

well, not quite all

INTJ, INTP, INFJ, INFP, ENTP, ENTJ

in a rough order

ENFP and ENFJ unlikely, again in order, descending

I'm in a busy period where I would much prefer to be doing nothing at all

it's a real trough

i wonder if people push back against the MBTI typing thing because they don't want to deal with a predictive model of the flaws they know on some level they have

I think its just the spirit of the times

"empirical", materialist, scientist

@UOC I criticize MBTI

I really don't think anyone would be concerned with flaws

anyone liable to be interested in MBTI

I think it's a horoscope for autistic people

is probably very interested in knowing their flaws

And vain people

With a self obsession

good thing I'm a vain self obssessed autist

http://gotnews.com/analysis-richard-spencer-man-people-find-npr-slow/

more people come across MBTI than are personally pursuing it as an interest though

in corporate settings or whatever

school

and lots of those people get really dismissive and defensive about it, in my experience

I guess I've just never encountered that

makes sense

I'll keep it in mind for the future

MBTI has major in-universe issues though

like the focus on intuitives or certain types at the expense of others

@here THIS SEEMS COOL. SHARING WITH ALL http://rambox.pro/

that does seem pretty cool

thanks

DISCORD INCLUDED EVEN. ABOUT TO TRY IT.

i'd like to see decentralized solutions be used more. i guess the peer to peer nature of some of them is the biggest issue, because you have to protect your IP to use it privately. what does everyone think? we should at least have them set up as backups. daily stormer could have let people know about the onion/tor site beforehand. now they have no way to let people know besides random forums.

it will take one of the big players to get the ball rolling. hopefully DS will, instead of just solely moving around from place to place. they might not be able to get back up at all now.

amerika could start something too of course, to set an example

decentralization is useful, needs to happen

need something like torrents for chat, which in a sense IRC already is

but it needs to be taken up to that next level

see what a niche even Discord filled

just put chat and voice together in a convenient client

bam, huge success

but its too idealistic to think about a future like that, right now what should be focused on is alternatives

the field is open for alt-right media of many kinds

there are tools already there it just takes someone to get the ball rolling. it's a good time now as they're ramping up the shutdown.

twitter seems like an unsustainable thing in the first place

so probably gab will also fail

it's not somethign that can happen at an invidual grass roots level i think

i don't think i'm just complaining when i could do it myself

nothing is going to happen to Discord in general

see, I don't like this attitude

don't let anyone tell you anything about what you are doing

or that you are complaining

complain away

these are just expectations absorbed from the social world, which have decreasing relevance

alt-right literally is complaining on the internet

that's what it started from

your words are agency

there's a lot worth complaining about it in the world

the ability to have your message reach people far away, is extremely powerful

and not in the sense of some big soapbox

IRC with tor is a good solution for the privacy-minded

just reaching individuals I mean

I don't think its privacy that is desired as much as independence

irc gives both

I don't think anyone would care too much if random people read this chat, but it being shut down or curtailed is different

IRC existed for years, and its great, but its obvious from Discord's success

that convenience is very, very important

Discord has definite advantages in user friendliness and the ability to share images and voice chat easily is very nice

its a really big deal I think

this thing is bigger than videogames

i wonder if its possible to make an irc client with at least the image sharing if not voip

mumble always exists for voip as a decentralized open source solution

you probably could, but it would be a mess

probably, would be tough for people on older clients

last time the irc protocol was updated was 2000 it seems

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2812

zeronet with tor or at least vpn is a good option

i've used it it works good. they have discord/chan type chat rooms in there. you can make anything.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40940044

man the fucking BBC

>accidentally

if you don't use tor or vpn though it's very poor for privacy. everything you do is logged, which is how the whole things works. it's like a blockchain.

train hitting CNN reporter, come on

its so obvious

the motivation, the mentality

what they want you to think and feel

so if the CNN symbol is a reporter

is the train literally Trump?

i was suprised he retweeted posobiec last night, with a quote that could be taken different ways... great trolling

even with tor or vpn that would not be private, blockchains are public and anonymous

i thought that was talking about the posobiec tweet when i read the headline

literal hatefacts

this is not a good road to go down

never be defensive

its not a bad idea to highlight "hypocrisy" here and there

but this is generally done by the losing side, licking their wounds

if the tone was more "genuine"

like "I wish the media had put as much attention on Chicago as Charlotesville, Black Lives Matter!"

that can work, work very well

and that kind of stuff where you can't be sure what the guy's motivations are (unless you are a meme graduate)

is extremely effective

when i read that posobiec tweet i immediatley thought "woah, he's pointing out that the media ignores black crime/terror" but then i realized what they're trying to say is that "the media doesn't care about black people dying they only want to stop trump"

what I thought is

or even just people dying in general

"racist covering up racist murderer LIDDERAL NAZIS by being a racist"

http://ircv3.net/

everyone should have a couple of go-to sources

for leftist discussion

a group updating the irc protocol to add modern features

something to watch

maybe some subreddit, maybe a forum

that sounds cool

https://www.irccloud.com/

this service is involved with them but it looks liek you have to go through their private servers

also have to pay for full features

all my friends are leftists

I'm sorry

except a catholic philosophy professor I know

this is literally the most antisemitic chat i have ever seen. as someone whose grandparents were gassed over a dozen times in the holocaust, i can't believe that people haven't shed their old bigoted beliefs. i'll be reporting this discord to the ADL, ACLU, JIDF, and DOJ.

the DOJ lol

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GASSED OVER A DOZEN TIMES

(they held their breath)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGNvo8WTrA

good efening

https://twitter.com/fryd_ns/status/897505594629914625

Retweet this!

That dude should report us to the IDF too. Just for kicks.

Or was that tollery lol

pretty obvs. troll mane

LOL funny shit then

Trump deleted that trump train retweet. Sad! they're wearing the old guy down.

he'll have to settle with just asserting that he won eventually. he's too proud to go down as a martyr, which is the best thing he could do. he'll just spin everything to make supporters think he's won.

cons are happy to lose anyway, so they'll see this as a big step up in progress.

@Buxus IRCCLOUD NOT NEEDED. http://www.riot.im DOES THE SAME THING AND STAYS CONNECTED TO IRC

UHHH LEL

ah, apparently this is old

Uh

Joe Smith said black people had the mark of cain

Churches and Christians in general misinterpret this Biblical passage. I mean, if you're loving God with all your heart and all your soul, you shouldn't love yourself or your neighbor at all. But then the Bible is a great race war story that alarms your typical Christian.

WHO IS @Claire ?

Some bitch

Joseph Smith wasn't wrong, Biblically speaking.

@Mother YOU'VE MET HER

OH! NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN @Claire. HRU?

I am well! How are you?

Apparently I am "some bitch." I relish this.

NAW, THAT'S TYPICAL UNFORTUNATELY.

RECOVERING. GOT IN A BIKE ACCIDENT RIDING BACK UP TO NEW ENGLAND.

Perhaps I too need the caps lock. I feel uncool. 😬

I am sorry to hear that. I hope you're not in too much pain. Yuck.

@Mother YOU TOLD US IT WAS A GAY SEX ACCIDENT

ARE YOU RECOVERING RAPIDLY?

REDDIT UNSUSPENDED ME

BIZARRE TIMES AHEAD

YES. I'VE EMERGED WITHOUT TERMINAL DISEASE

NOTHING BROKEN. WIPED OUT IN FRONT OF A COP.

Is this a poz cum in my anus type thing?

AHAHAHA

Too bad you didn't wipe out the cop.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. @Claire WE FEARED IMMINENT DELETION OF THIS SERVER LAST NIGHT SO FLOODED IT WITH GAY PORN.

cant believe I'm missing the tranny

REBEKKA LEFT?

don't think so

BASICALLY. THERE WAS A FLASH FLOOD. HUGE BODY OF WATER UNDER A BRIDGE ON THE HWY. ACCIDENT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. I DIDNT THINK MUCH OF IT.

NEXT THING I KNOW. IM GOING 40 MPH THROUGH WATER. WAS PRETTY COOL.

CONTEXT: I WAS ON A BIKE

That sounds extreme but perhaps in a fun way.

INDEED.

@Mother Don't get too comfy up in Yankland. We're going to make a Southerner of you yet.

AHA. I DIDNT REALLY WANT TO LEAVE TEXAS SO MUCH AS AUSTIN. I WANTED TO STAY. I STAYED OVERNIGHT IN STILLWATER, OKLAHOMA AT A FRIENDS HOUSE. REALLY NICE PLACE.

I know Stillwater. It is a nice place. Austin, however, is an absolute hole.

I despise Austin

Hear, hear!

I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE IN EITHER THE SOUTH OR COLORADO IN A FEW YEARS.

ILL BE OVERSEAS IN 2 MONTHS FOR A LITTLE WHILE.