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actually I think first we have to address; is technology, progress etc. the product of scale effects or of individuals?
as far as I can see, history is a history of great men
What is the Endogenous Personality? And why is he so important?
In a nutshell, we argue that the Endogenous personality is the type of a potential genius – a compound of abilities and attitudes, of intelligence and innerness. As a strong generalization: the true geniuses are Endogenous personalities; and it is from Endogenous personalities that geniuses arise.
The Endogenous personality is the ‘inner’ Man; a person whose outlook on life is ‘inward.’ He is inner-directed, inner-driven, inner-motivated; one who uses inner modes of thinking, inner evaluations, in-tuition; one who is to a high degree autonomous, self-sufficient; one who is relatively indifferent to social pressures, influences and inducements.
He stands in stark contrast to the Exogenous personality; that is, to most people. The Exogenous Personality is orientated toward the environment, particularly the social environment. These are people who want more than anything else social (including sexual) status, worldly success; people whose perceptions are directed outwards and who try to align their behaviour with group norms.
When described in such terms, the Endogenous personality might appear anti-social, uncooperative, a dreamer, not the kind of person we might wish to have to deal with on a regular basis. We would probably be accurate in perceiving the Endogenous Personality in this negative way. We probably wouldn’t want to go for a drink with him, let alone be friends with him.
But he is important; he is very important. Because the Endogenous personality is the archetypal ‘genius.’ He is the type of a genius – whether a large scale, world historical genius of the highest level achieved by humanity – a Shakespeare, a Beethoven or an Einstein – or a local, tribal, or town genius; a shaman, a sculptor, an inventor whose name is unrecorded (yet who might be the originator of some great but anonymous ballad, folk song, painting -- or a technological breakthrough such as the spade, spear-thrower, arch or stirrup).
Genuine ‘breakthrough’, world-impact creativity is so rare, so difficult (far more difficult than commonly imagined) that it requires a special kind of mind – a mind especially designed for this kind of work (inner work). There need not be many such men – indeed, there should not be too many, since the necessary mind is relatively unfit for the primary, day-to-day, activities of survival and reproduction of the species. But such men are needed – sooner or later, from time to time.
These are the people who (whether we know their names or not) will almost-certainly be behind the scientific and technical breakthroughs that are the motor of civilization, these are people whose can inspire and unite society moving it towards greater things or out of the depths of despair and ennui; these are the people who can rescue a society on the brink of catastrophe.
(I think there are some minor issues with the above, but other than that I can only agree)
post Marxists hate the great man theory
but I'm not sure I've seen anyone else tie it to personality traits like that
its something many realize implicitly
consider the stereotype of the genius
basically, a kook
so what happened
they shutdown the former altright server
ah i see
this place isn't really connected to that
yeah i get it
Genius is a certain personality and certain traits
what are those traits?
The ability to become very good at something (in terms of deep understanding)
which requires higher than average intelligence, and dedication towards a certain field
Then the ability to be creative and innovate
partially that requires high IQ as well, but only up to the depth of understanding point
real creativity is psychoticism
clinical psychoses are the extreme end of a line that has genius and artist on it somewhere
this is easily proven, artists tend to have a preponderance of schizophrenia
it is my belief that there is no categorical difference between the artistic and scientific genius
nothing that divides them beyond just being involved in arts vs. sciences
Really? I would agree, depending on who you count as artistic geniuses. I think think "raw" creative genius often lacks the sort of Conscientious personality that seems necessary for other geniuses
but for someone like Bach or whoever, they seem to line up
ah but geniuses are often dedicated
but almost never conscientous
certainly no genius is more conscientous than the average person
usually the successful people have other figures in their life
or some environment
that allows them to live comfortably and sensibly
well maybe I'm using the wrong word. dedicated is better
my problem is Charlton has already surpassed and consolidated anything I could say
but at the same time
just linking a book doesn't end well
so I end up quoting or summarizing him with a smattering of my own ideas
Chapter 9 is called The Shaman versus the Head Girl
the true genius is the former, the type of person likely to succeed in the world is the latter
i have his book bookmarked
The ‘Head Girl’ is thus even more problematic in terms of genius. The stereotypical Head Girl is an all-rounder: performs extremely well in all school subjects and has a very high ‘Grade Point Average’ as it is termed in the USA. She is excellent at sports, Captaining all the major teams. She is also pretty, popular, sociable and well-behaved.
The Head Girl will probably be a big success in life, in whatever terms being a big success happens to be framed (she will gravitate towards such aspects of life) – so she might in some times and places make a good marriage and do a great job of raising a family; in another time and place she might go to a top-notch college and get a top-notch job – and pursue a glamorous and infertile lifestyle of ‘serial monogamy’; with desirable mates.
But the Head Girl is not, cannot be, a creative genius. The genius is pretty much everything the Head Girl is not. He (or she) is lop-sided in his abilities – truly excellent at some things or maybe just one thing, he is either hopeless or bored by many others. He won’t work hard for long periods at things he does not want to do. He will not gravitate to the prestige areas of life and cannot, or will not, do the networking necessary to get-on.
The Head Girl can never be a creative genius because she does what other people want by the standards they most value. She will work harder and at a higher standard in doing whatever it is that social pressure tells her to do – and she will do this by whatever social standards prevail, only more thoroughly. Meanwhile the creative genius will do what he does because he must.
The Head Girl will not want to alienate potentially powerful allies. Meanwhile the creative genius is indifferent or hostile to the opinions of others so long as he knows he is right.
The Head Girl is great to have around, everybody thinks she is wonderful. Meanwhile the creative genius is at best a person who divides opinion, strongly, in both directions – at worst often a signed-up member of the awkward squad.
@UOC as we share a personality type I can reasonably assume that while you are well meaning, things like "read this book" tend to fall into a hole from which they will never be recovered
its certainly the case for me
I get to about 80% of the things I start out intending to do.
But not always on the time scale people appreciate
I wish I could do that
I'll read that book eventually. I like Charlton.
This is just a particularly busy summer for me.
its more like a long essay than a book to be honest
I think my personality is like a that of a genius except without the intellect or willingness to forgo all social pressures
I have learned that unless someone does cure mortality in my lifetime, I won't get to do 5% of the things that seem interesting to me, so I've basically just picked a couple and I don't do anything else
Charlton doesn't have the benefit of MBTI
you add that together to these ideas and you get something even stronger
some of the "endogenous personalities" would be MBTI extraverts
basically, all the Ns
well, not quite all
INTJ, INTP, INFJ, INFP, ENTP, ENTJ
in a rough order
ENFP and ENFJ unlikely, again in order, descending
I'm in a busy period where I would much prefer to be doing nothing at all
it's a real trough
i wonder if people push back against the MBTI typing thing because they don't want to deal with a predictive model of the flaws they know on some level they have
I think its just the spirit of the times
"empirical", materialist, scientist
I really don't think anyone would be concerned with flaws
anyone liable to be interested in MBTI
I think it's a horoscope for autistic people
is probably very interested in knowing their flaws
And vain people
With a self obsession
good thing I'm a vain self obssessed autist
more people come across MBTI than are personally pursuing it as an interest though
in corporate settings or whatever
and lots of those people get really dismissive and defensive about it, in my experience
I guess I've just never encountered that
I'll keep it in mind for the future
MBTI has major in-universe issues though
like the focus on intuitives or certain types at the expense of others
that does seem pretty cool
DISCORD INCLUDED EVEN. ABOUT TO TRY IT.
i'd like to see decentralized solutions be used more. i guess the peer to peer nature of some of them is the biggest issue, because you have to protect your IP to use it privately. what does everyone think? we should at least have them set up as backups. daily stormer could have let people know about the onion/tor site beforehand. now they have no way to let people know besides random forums.
it will take one of the big players to get the ball rolling. hopefully DS will, instead of just solely moving around from place to place. they might not be able to get back up at all now.
amerika could start something too of course, to set an example
decentralization is useful, needs to happen
need something like torrents for chat, which in a sense IRC already is
but it needs to be taken up to that next level
see what a niche even Discord filled
just put chat and voice together in a convenient client
bam, huge success
but its too idealistic to think about a future like that, right now what should be focused on is alternatives
the field is open for alt-right media of many kinds
there are tools already there it just takes someone to get the ball rolling. it's a good time now as they're ramping up the shutdown.
twitter seems like an unsustainable thing in the first place
so probably gab will also fail
it's not somethign that can happen at an invidual grass roots level i think
i don't think i'm just complaining when i could do it myself
nothing is going to happen to Discord in general
see, I don't like this attitude
don't let anyone tell you anything about what you are doing
or that you are complaining
these are just expectations absorbed from the social world, which have decreasing relevance
alt-right literally is complaining on the internet
that's what it started from
your words are agency
there's a lot worth complaining about it in the world
the ability to have your message reach people far away, is extremely powerful
and not in the sense of some big soapbox
IRC with tor is a good solution for the privacy-minded
just reaching individuals I mean
I don't think its privacy that is desired as much as independence
irc gives both
I don't think anyone would care too much if random people read this chat, but it being shut down or curtailed is different
IRC existed for years, and its great, but its obvious from Discord's success
that convenience is very, very important
Discord has definite advantages in user friendliness and the ability to share images and voice chat easily is very nice
its a really big deal I think
this thing is bigger than videogames
i wonder if its possible to make an irc client with at least the image sharing if not voip
mumble always exists for voip as a decentralized open source solution
you probably could, but it would be a mess
probably, would be tough for people on older clients
last time the irc protocol was updated was 2000 it seems
zeronet with tor or at least vpn is a good option
i've used it it works good. they have discord/chan type chat rooms in there. you can make anything.
man the fucking BBC
if you don't use tor or vpn though it's very poor for privacy. everything you do is logged, which is how the whole things works. it's like a blockchain.
train hitting CNN reporter, come on
its so obvious
the motivation, the mentality
what they want you to think and feel
so if the CNN symbol is a reporter
is the train literally Trump?
i was suprised he retweeted posobiec last night, with a quote that could be taken different ways... great trolling
even with tor or vpn that would not be private, blockchains are public and anonymous
i thought that was talking about the posobiec tweet when i read the headline
this is not a good road to go down
never be defensive
its not a bad idea to highlight "hypocrisy" here and there
but this is generally done by the losing side, licking their wounds
if the tone was more "genuine"
like "I wish the media had put as much attention on Chicago as Charlotesville, Black Lives Matter!"
that can work, work very well
and that kind of stuff where you can't be sure what the guy's motivations are (unless you are a meme graduate)
is extremely effective
when i read that posobiec tweet i immediatley thought "woah, he's pointing out that the media ignores black crime/terror" but then i realized what they're trying to say is that "the media doesn't care about black people dying they only want to stop trump"
what I thought is
or even just people dying in general
"racist covering up racist murderer LIDDERAL NAZIS by being a racist"
everyone should have a couple of go-to sources
for leftist discussion
a group updating the irc protocol to add modern features
something to watch
maybe some subreddit, maybe a forum
that sounds cool
this service is involved with them but it looks liek you have to go through their private servers
also have to pay for full features
all my friends are leftists
except a catholic philosophy professor I know
this is literally the most antisemitic chat i have ever seen. as someone whose grandparents were gassed over a dozen times in the holocaust, i can't believe that people haven't shed their old bigoted beliefs. i'll be reporting this discord to the ADL, ACLU, JIDF, and DOJ.
the DOJ lol
GASSED OVER A DOZEN TIMES
(they held their breath)
That dude should report us to the IDF too. Just for kicks.
Or was that tollery lol
pretty obvs. troll mane
LOL funny shit then
Trump deleted that trump train retweet. Sad! they're wearing the old guy down.
he'll have to settle with just asserting that he won eventually. he's too proud to go down as a martyr, which is the best thing he could do. he'll just spin everything to make supporters think he's won.
cons are happy to lose anyway, so they'll see this as a big step up in progress.
ah, apparently this is old
Joe Smith said black people had the mark of cain
Churches and Christians in general misinterpret this Biblical passage. I mean, if you're loving God with all your heart and all your soul, you shouldn't love yourself or your neighbor at all. But then the Bible is a great race war story that alarms your typical Christian.
Joseph Smith wasn't wrong, Biblically speaking.
I am well! How are you?
Apparently I am "some bitch." I relish this.
NAW, THAT'S TYPICAL UNFORTUNATELY.
RECOVERING. GOT IN A BIKE ACCIDENT RIDING BACK UP TO NEW ENGLAND.
Perhaps I too need the caps lock. I feel uncool. 😬
I am sorry to hear that. I hope you're not in too much pain. Yuck.
ARE YOU RECOVERING RAPIDLY?
REDDIT UNSUSPENDED ME
BIZARRE TIMES AHEAD
YES. I'VE EMERGED WITHOUT TERMINAL DISEASE
NOTHING BROKEN. WIPED OUT IN FRONT OF A COP.
Is this a poz cum in my anus type thing?
Too bad you didn't wipe out the cop.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. @Claire WE FEARED IMMINENT DELETION OF THIS SERVER LAST NIGHT SO FLOODED IT WITH GAY PORN.
cant believe I'm missing the tranny
don't think so
BASICALLY. THERE WAS A FLASH FLOOD. HUGE BODY OF WATER UNDER A BRIDGE ON THE HWY. ACCIDENT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. I DIDNT THINK MUCH OF IT.
NEXT THING I KNOW. IM GOING 40 MPH THROUGH WATER. WAS PRETTY COOL.
CONTEXT: I WAS ON A BIKE
That sounds extreme but perhaps in a fun way.
@Mother Don't get too comfy up in Yankland. We're going to make a Southerner of you yet.
AHA. I DIDNT REALLY WANT TO LEAVE TEXAS SO MUCH AS AUSTIN. I WANTED TO STAY. I STAYED OVERNIGHT IN STILLWATER, OKLAHOMA AT A FRIENDS HOUSE. REALLY NICE PLACE.
I know Stillwater. It is a nice place. Austin, however, is an absolute hole.
I despise Austin
I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE IN EITHER THE SOUTH OR COLORADO IN A FEW YEARS.
ILL BE OVERSEAS IN 2 MONTHS FOR A LITTLE WHILE.