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If he wanted to make serious music HE HAD to do it within Church
his music was churchy
spiritual
for REAL reasons, not imagined
pagan black metal bands IMAGINE their reference points
Bach used a variety if instruments, all of the ones at his disposal
their music is good, i agree, i listen to it
but their inspiration is imagined
unless it's the kind of pagan music that is more abstract and contemporary, thatis if it does not contain explicit references to viking invasions or whatever
And yes, people were forced to be pro Christian then. But that doesn't mean that some of them weren't truly
It just means that only a few would be allowed to thrive in that environment
I believe that he was genuine, but I don't think that Christianity was necessary. I think that a Hellenic Bach or a Celtic Bach would have sung praises to some other divine being.
now here is summed up reality of today's music (REALITY, not BS)
1. Musical production is accessible to all
2. Musical training will become more and more obsolete due to computers
BRB FOOD & FISTING
3. There is nothing in music today that is spiritual or anything like that
music today is made from an abstract, intellectual foundation of the artist
and whatever he conceives is abstract
the result is what we have today: We have so many people today, countless people actually who make good music, of all genres, and little of that really matters
Because there are no objective reasons why would music matter *much*
it matters
@diversity_is_racism Best advice I've heard all day: men, clip your nails before dinner.
Music mattered more in 19th century because it was a greater privillege
I feel very privileged to listen to great music
ludvig, can you show us a picture of your loft bed
Exactly, you *feel* privilleged but there's nothing privilleged about it in reality
How not?
is danny throwing up
I'm lucky to have it
the loft bed?
Everybody thinks he listens to the best kind of music and feels great about it
It's those individualist ego trips
i'm talking about significance of music from today's perspective when it comes to spiritual value, and my opinion is that there is none
Music is enjoyment
In a sick society, one's growth is stifled. Music can inspire visions that force the listener to ask questions that no one in a sick society would ask
I am privileged to have heard it and improved as a result
I did nothing to earn that
no, you received the loft bed as a gift, but it was your friendship that earned it for you
please, show us the loft bed
In 19th century people went to theaters to listen to Symphonic orchestras because that was the only way to actually listen to sophisticated type of music called Symphonies
Today people go to theaters to listen to Symphonic orhcestras because they think the act itself has any meaning or significance
Music itself was never valuable
Music which was beautiful in some way, was and is
@The Enlightened Shepherd classical music collapsed in the 60s through early 80s
It died of natural causes
The reason people know Philip Glass is he was the last major one.
It had to
And ligetti
That generation died
No way you can have at the same time electricity and contuniuty of classical music
And what replaced it was performance art
The same with jazz.
What replaced Herbie Hancock on coke
It can make a come back.
Was sexually questionable white men wearing blazers and t shirts.
And obviously, no way you can have at the same time 8-core computers and continuity of rock music
Wabking off instrumentally
omfg
Rock is dead and is dying of natural causes too
pantera is so fucking hilarious while drunk
Rock died early on
RE
SPECT
RE
SPECT
WALK ON HOME
WHAT DID YOU SAY?
ARE YOU TALKING TO ME? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?
Talking to me?
R U TAWKIN 2 REEEEE?
OMFG
this shit is always hilarious while drunk
IS THERE NO STANDARD ANYMORE?
YOU CAN'T BE SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT!
tell teh trannies that phil
THAT....would be transphobic
NO WAY
PUNK
So in the end, listening to anything is OK, but people need to stop pretending it matters, or that their particular musical tastes matter, or worse, have some deep significance and meaning from a spiritual point of view
Because it doesn't
Is any art significant in any way?
god that shit is cringe as fuck
jesus
The world is today split roughly in two halves - conformist and non-conformist
when lg petrov
makes the wolverine hands
And as far as music goes, borders between these two worlds don't exist
rofl
when uffe bangs the guitar against his leg during the breakdown
whe ntehy duel guitars
literally
like pool noodles
So I can pretend that metal or psy trance is non-conformist but it isn't
Is there any art that's significant or valuable in any way?
Valuable yes, significant, from the perspective of "grand order of things" no
Music is just a description of things which can be significant. I agree that the music itself isn't significant
But it can be a pointer
Art is just a manifestation
It's still a good conduit
And that's why it is strange how people appreciate it more than they do what's behind art
Music is good at communicating and describing certain things that other languages aren't as good at
Yes, like sounds
What?
Do languages like English describe words?
They don't. They use words to describe ideas
Music uses sound waves and rhythm patterns to create pleasant melodies
Poetry can have pleasant rhythms and sounds, too
Yes, when read aloud
Death is a phonetically pleasing word, but it also represents an idea.
oh god
even wrose
worse
somehow
Melodies are the same
Just like I can come up with a meaningless word that sounds pretty, I can come up with a melody just for the sake of it sounding pretty
that doesn't mean that I can't do more
My best shot is that music sparks creativity and curiosity
But again, that's of limited value, and again, speaking from the perspective of significant things
like, globally
Music is a language.
Again, we can go round and round in circles, but music will always remain enjoyment
entertainment
It is worse than prose at describing mundane technical details, but better at describing will itself
Poetry is between the two
Ok, there's ritual purpose too
No, it's a language
It can describe willยจ
Just like any language, it can be used merely for sounding or looking pretty
I can write meaningless poetry with great structures
I can come up with meaningless words that sound good
and I can play melodies that sound nice but represent nothing
Well this just was not what I thought it was going to be. Maybe next time?
I don't understand how you don't spot the obvious folly in that position
The "meaning' of music is entirely subjective
Just because an artist gave a song a title does not dictate it's meaning
It just suggests artists INTENTIONS
The artist can have an intent and a message, however.
Which are for the listener irrelevant
So I guess I will use a Rammstein song the next time I want to promote heterosexual experiences.
You was talking about music from technical point of view i guess
The meaning of anything is always partially subjective
Sure I can write a song ABOUT something
Music more so than prose, prose more so than math
This is true in all languages
Ever notice how Bach names his songs "Toccata and Fugue" or "Fugue in D minor"
And Wagner "TRISTAND AND ISOLDE"
"RING OF NIBELUNG"
What does that tell you
actually, Bach named them BWV 049
"The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul."
What does that tell you?
toccata fugue etc were names that caught on later
What a great quote
Points to you exactly
How music was *subjected* in their pespective
All descriptions are subjected
even math can't be understood by everyone
I reject your linguistic fatalism
Whereas you have 19th century, where musician and his genious and his music are things worthy in themselves, celebrated as the ultimate significance
Wagner's first and foremost desire was to EXPRESS himself and his vast genius
How much intellectual can his mind get when doing exactly what -A described as "passing the message"
in 70's u just had kids banging their head to some music in order to remove the stifness of the conformist existence and apathy of individualist society
which was alltogether DIFFERENT purpose and place of music from both Wagner's and Bach's era
@Hagel -Today at 12:51 PM
All descriptions are subjected
even math can't be understood by everyone
I reject your linguistic fatalism
it exists without being understood, like the fact that you have a loft bed at age 23
Anyway see you guys was nice talking to you
Gotta go to my loft bed
(whatever that is)
goodnight sheepman
enjoy lucidity
Dorm swag
You're just pointing out that language can be used in many ways
I'm not saying otherwise
you're not saying anything except that you enjoy music really
That's adorable
i have that
its comfy as fuck
would strongly recommend
it is where all great art is formulated
and also where all great slumber parties are had
Giving Makeovers to Muslims.flac
Feeding Muslims Tea and Brine
It kind of looks comfy., Like a combo of the ideal futon and a canopy bed.
would anyone like to hear my dark modernist quartet music
oh wait hold on
Where the hell is Brett? Heller? I see the green but I don't hear the preen.
it won't change
i changed the picture but it won't update
Lolol
Rekt
Why not keep it up? Was it the soundtrack to the Furry Movement?
Furry Movement in A Minor?
brother if you don't know i can't tell you
i'm sorry
Damn secret societies and their social secrets.
i'm sworn to secrecy on this topic as a top conservative on twitter
ILLUMINATI!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kJZ80-bC6I
i was handpicked by lester kinsolving
under the sign of the moon
Ritualistically shave your head?
Did they fuck you to Satan?
fuck et tu, satan?
I heartell he likes his fuckings...apparently.
top conservatives on thorazine
keep workin big jack
i love women
no you're thinking of how you clean goggles
@Hagel https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0a/08/76/0a087607292d0846b98bc81122c2dfc5.jpg
is this the headphone extender you meant?
With suppositories or sex robots?
Now THAT is a man's loft bed.
Where the shackle rings at?
it's a single bed dude
you'd have to be like ted cruz tall to fit on that
I was talking more about the sleek and modern color scheme.
Loft beds are a microcosm. The berserker elite rests above the riff raff
So, gravity beds then.
no this is swedish not canadian
The swedes will smart themselves out of gravity eventually. They will make a new law and integrate gravity into their paradigm.
okay so cool new game
Gravity bongs actually
FUCK YEAH
we will pair up loft beds with music that summarizes their aesthetic. i will go first:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/66/0f/33/660f3349bc2c4bb067ace8ab37f0b4da.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UVVS5-9HvA
lemme see
yeah my voice is still high since i'm only just started transitioning
nah still broke for me
the doctor
anton sarcophago lavey
petty crime rules
ideology is gay
cat fights forever
brb lunch
randy newman
@profagonist Weird place for a stripper pole on the last one.
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