Jesus is closer to Indo-European paganism than Hinduism is

Sky-father who roasts sinners in hell.

'indo'

I do not drink milkshakes, I am holy

indo means hindu

you just said indoism is not indo

OreoCoon is my spiritual adviser

he is my priest of brahminism

indo-european is a linguistic group

most of hte people are not aryans

modern hinduism is as far from heathenism as christianity is

hindi is indo-european

they are indo-aryans, aryan mixed with dravidian

just as europeans are europeans mixed with aryans (I1/2 and R1a/b)

modern hindus outright worship aryan gods still like ostara

(germanic easter goddess)

David Dravidian is the guy from disturbed right

I do not think you know much about hinduism if you believe what you said

I need to go prepare tomorrow's lentils and paneer

Dyaus Pita in hinduism is literally 'Deus' from Europe and what Germany is named after 'Deutschland'

are you boiling your lentils using a rocket fire stove you hand crafted, brother?

no

mongols used to cook food by putting it under their saddle then the friction of riding cooked it

@Yarf Mangione most of them don't worship them

most of the more popular hindu gods are not of aryan origin

but of the indus valley civilization

ganesha, vishnu, shiva, and the earth mother are the most popular hindu gods as far as I know

vishnu and shiva are of aryan origin

shiva is not

ganesha is based in part on aryan

shiva is on seals pre aryan invasion

the earth mother is indeed their local earth mother goddess

vishnu is an almagrammation

then why did vedic people worship shiva?

they even have nordic artwork of him

they found him

they liked him

odin is also not a european god

why does he have 'white person hair' ?

he looks r1b to me

how is odin not european?

r1a would be from eastern europe and the eurasian steppe, and would be the source of odin

tyr is the one that should be the sky father

linguistically

he is

odin is the all-father, not sky father

odin is more similar to brahma in hinduism

odin has no linguistic parallels outside of scandinavia

the scholarship linking him to hinduism is junk

he's probably a native god

I said similar

I do not believe odin was ever in india

and he is the sky father

he assumes the indo european role of sky father

yeah, due to the migration age and viking life style of migration, he is the god of migrating

germans continued to worship tiw as the head god on the continent in germany

hence being teutonic

that depends as they defer to odin as more powerful almost always

odin was not to be trifled with

with daily worship in much of scandinavia

the last king of the saxons did a ritual for tiw as the head god

as odin had creation powers and was almost omnipotent

and all knowing

yeah

tiw I read was the god of war, justice (law), the forest, and the people, hence the national leader god

odin makes more sense for migrators and vikings

odin's two brothers aren't real gods

they're a play on words

alliteration to have three gods create teh world who are aspects of odin

I know, will and something else

Brahma is exactly the same with 3 heads

votan, vili, and ve

I forgot what ve translate to in english

I remember it being what they call a shrine

it all relates to creation

if I recall right it is senses and physical features?

it's something like I inspire, I will, and I divine

yeah

will being the creation part

as he wills everything into being by thinking of it

so how is this not like hinduism?

and the beings he can't destroy are chaos

if it line ups with brahma

and tiw lines up with dyaus

hinduism lacks the concepts of kingship

I would compare hinduism to heathenism like I would compare judaism to christianity

also inherent to odin

they have kings and rajs

they separate out the power of kings

also not all germanics had kingdoms, saxons had a republic where they only elected a king during war

the ancient greeks had kings

they had kings iwth no powers just to perform the rites of kings

yeah sounds like now

I just found your comparison odd

hinduism is by its nature an indo-european religion

in practice, it is less so than christianity

christianity is semitic with an aryan undertone

christianity is not really semitic

it is mediterranean

then why is the bible in aramiac?

and related to other greco-roman cults

it's in greek and aramiac

it is from palestine actually

and christiantiy has to be separated out from what it is versus what it was

it is still in palestine today

they are not extinct

yes but it is not what it was

their beliefs and practices are extinct

they still use jesus' tomb as a church

christianity is just the final form of roman imperial religion

the european forms, yeah

in the middle east too

they are by their nature bastard religions

they just kept their local oriental orthodox approach to christology

this makes the palestinians more pure christian

while european churches are mixed

how are they more pure christian?

they lack the european influence

they are the same thing in practice

I mean oriental Christianity to be clear

as far as I can tell they are a fully maintained Christian community since the original religion in Palestine

so why did they adopt the greco-roman christianity?

in all but esoteric christology that doesn't matter?

palestine was a roman province at the time of its creation

in practice?

why did it spread back from greeceand italy and the balkans?

why not the other way around?

I do not follow, why did it spread from palestine to europe?

they adopted the imperial religion

oh

not t heir local christianity

no, rome converted nearly 400 years after it was created in palestine

their local christianity was destroyed and overwhelemd

yes but they adopted the religion that rome made up around 315 AD

they just made it up

so you are saying you believe the original one is gonenow

of course it's gone

I would not know, I do not deeply study palestinian religion

so oriental christiantiy is just a splitoff of roman christianity?

look at early christian art vs later roman and meieval christian art

christianity was not split then

I mean whenever it split

1054 or whatever

why does christ suddenly get a halo?

like the emperor?

he stole one of sonic's rings

why is he flanked by armed men? why is he enthroned?

how does he go from looking pretty close to an average person in the roman empire in 30 AD would've looked

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to a philosopher-king?

are you sure in palestine they do this?

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they do it

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look at their jesus

altright then, I gues they are influenced by this

still I have no idea how this relates to odin

as compared to hinduism actually relating

http://www.coptic.net/pictures/Icon.ChristTheSavior.gif

this is closer to jupiter/odin

than vishnu is

I would compare Brahma to Odin

Brahma is the creator god

Brahma has 3 heads and is bearded

like odin and his two brothers

http://levitatingmonkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Brahma.jpg

odin does not have three heads.

he does in one form actually

I cannot remember his multiheaded form right now, but he had four in it (Brahma can have four heads too)

the odinic trinity predates teh brahmic trinity

the brahmic trinity is probably a reaction to christianity

as it's a cool concept

Well it symbolises the 3 vedas, the 4th veda being added later

I am quite sure it predates Christianity by hundreds of years actually

they have different trinities more similar to the gree ktrinity

of zeus, poseidon, and hades

it doesn't

8th century ce

hundreds of years after proto-germanic odin

I never dated all the heads to check

and christ

but the vedas do

the vedas do not have a brahmic trinity

I noticed buddhists have it as well such as bonten

or any sort of trinity other than groups of gods who come in auspicious numbers

like 3 and 4

I need to check something I can reference

they never got the idea of 1 =3 = 1 = 3

the so-called hindu trinity gods didn't even all exist in the time of the vedas

it's not a reaction to trinity, it's something read into the corpus by western intellectuals

that hindus then took

there is no such thing as a non-western intellectual approach to religion

to explain their own religion

yeah, that the hindus then also took, but not in terms of practice

no, not at all

if this is at all occuring

it would be amongst the ranks of folks like the RSS

as hinduism mostly doesn't have rational explanations

who are like hindu salafists

Are you cargest or yarfy, @Yarf Mangione ?

it's heathenism

and local paganism

for the most part

Vishvamitra mentions the 3, 4, and 5 headed Brahma and is in the Rigveda

Sorry

Cargest

That wasn't it

Carjack

the Brahma that is in the rigved is not the Brahma that become part of the trimurti, but even so

gods with multiple heads are not a trinity

Shiva is not in the vedas as anything but an epithet for Rdura

Rudra*

Vishnu I don't know

I don't believe he is in the vedas, but I could be wrong

yes even though shiva was already a seperate local god

that was probably carjack

that was found in the indus valley

Yeah Shiva was likely something they appropriated

they are reading shiva back onto the aryan god

Well, maybe not Shiva

just as the greeks did

but certainly aspects of Shiva

reading mercury onto odin

the deity that became shiva

it would be like going back to ancient greece, not knowing anything, seeing jupiter enthroned and presuming that's where jesus enthroned in heaven came from

and the answer is yes

I can see them adopting Latin artwork, it makes sense

>greece
>jupiter

Jagganath is considered an aspect of Shiva

they stole Hermes for angles and cupid for cherub art

yeah right dangerous dan

he is definitely an older, local god

of tribal people

no they're actually cupids

or nikes

even in medieval christian art

handing out laurel crowns of victory

jeebus has that power

I mean they use them from greek mythology

I thought cherubs lead to the popular envisioning of cupid

rather than the other way round

I cannot tell cupid apart from the christian depictions based on old roman art

maybe I'm misremembering

cupids tug at the heels of kings as kings are descended from venus

the winged smaller angels are something different

Cupid delux

I notied Hermes is their version of an angel

as angel means 'winged messenger' in Iranian

hermes is a god

they use the exact same art