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how does it take up so much memory
Yeah it is a lot.
Though I think I compared a while ago and it wasn't relevantly different from chrome or whatever shit browser microsoft makes now.
Do you have a form of adblock?
Where did exilarch go
@Exilarch#6104 home teaching is dead
Can this nigga stay in a server
WE DROVE HIM AWAY
WITH OUR MONSTER COCKS
FIREFOX IS A MEMORY HOG
IT SEEMS TO ME
THAT MANY OF THE OLD WAYS ARE DYING
DEMOCRACY, DIVERSITY, EQUALITY ARE THE BIG ONES
THIS HAS SPLIT HUMANITY
THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO RIDE DOWN THE COLLAPSE
AND THOSE WHO WANT TO RISE ABOVE AND RE-START CIVILIZATION
WE ARE MORE DEEPLY CRITICAL NOW OF MODERN METHODS
SO I DO NOT FORESEE ANYTHING BUT AN ARISTOCRATIC RETURN
OTHERWISE WE ARE STILL IN THE MODERN MUDDLE
There is no "we".
You are a tiny group of people writing on a blog hardly anyone reads.
And you can't even formulate an actual theory.
"deeply critical of modern methods"
Written by a self-proclaimed nihilist and Nietzschean.
You use Evola's language without understanding what it means.
It involves rejecting muh realism.
In favor of "intellectual intuition".
Beholding the presence of God in the mind.
AND YOU ARE HERE TO HOLD MY PENIS AND SHOW ME THE RIGHT WAY?
I WILL DELEGATE MY STAFF TO TAKE NOTES
Unlike your collection of servile INTJ cohosts, I've actually read these authors.
The discussion group Everitt Foster held on evola reached no deeper than the hypocrisy of modernity and equality.
Which everyone who would attend would already know anyway.
Even in regards to the more pragmatic sides of Evola, I've never seen anyone discuss his "apoliticism" in relation to the errors the alt-right made regarding Trump.
Nor his explicit repudiation of mass-movements as a foundational method.
They just meme RIDE THAT TIGER BRO
Nor have I ever seen anyone mention that he thought Hitler was "possessed by demons".
In that sloganeering bit you just did, Evola himself would fall under what you label "THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO RIDE DOWN THE COLLAPSE"
Even staying at the pragmatic level, he also explicitly repudiated enclavism and biological reductionism.
You have a problem when you list people like Evola and Nietzsche as high influences and do the opposite of what they said.
Without confronting it.
He also believed individuality was grounded in a hierarchy which began with the universal and proceeded to the specific.
The divine (God) --> Imperial Churchwarriors ---> Local State ---> Tribe ---> Human
From high to low
It is the Divine that is the Real.
A human becomes an Individual to the extent that he is able to foreground himself in the Divine Real and act from it on the material plane.
The Imperium on down can decay and crash, but the Divine fire remains.
Which is why his work moved toward Perennialism and Guenon.
Explicitly rejecting empiricism in favor of "intellectual intuition", which in Guenon's form is close to meaning "revelation".
Via serious, grounded belief in a Traditional Religion.
And conveyed via initiated circles, as the official religions decay.
From the Evolan point of view, the alt right is Titanic chair re-arranging.
And Nietzche would just think it's what he wrote about Forster.
So that seems to me a problem.
I'll probably get some all-caps slogan and banned.
Used to it by now.
Ride that tiger.
"The State is under the masculine aegis, while “society” and, by extension, the people, or demos, are under the feminine aegis. Once again, this is a primordial truth. The maternal domination, from which the political-virile principle subtracts itself, was also understood as the domination of Mother Earth and the Mothers of life and fertility, under whose power and tutelage existence was believed to unfold in its physical, biological, and collective-material aspects. The common mythological background is that of the duality of the luminous and heavenly deities, who are the gods of the political and heroic world on the one hand, and of the feminine and maternal deities of naturalistic existence, who were loved by the plebeian strata of society on the other hand. Thus, even in the ancient Roman world, the idea of State and of imperium (i.e., of the sacred authority) was strictly connected to the symbolic cult of the virile deities of heaven, of light and of the super-world in opposition to the dark region of the Mothers and the chthonic deities. "
It shouldn't be necessary to point out this is opposed to libertarianism, anarchism, and muh local government.
Nor does it support the alt-right method of idealizing a category of the foundational Material.
Alt-right is a form of Mother cult.
in his diction
"The previously mentioned gap between the political idea of State and the physical idea of “society” is found again in the opposition that exists between State and nation. The notions of nation, fatherland, and people, despite their romantic and idealistic halo, essentially belong to the naturalistic and biological plane and not the political one; they lead back to the “maternal” and physical dimension of a given collectivity. Wherever these concepts were emphasized and bestowed with the dignity of a primary element, this has always happened in a revolutionary or even polemical function toward the concept of the State and the pure principle of sovereignty. With the passage from the expression “by grace of God” (as approximate and stereotypical as it was, it still designated the true right “from above”) to that of “by will of the nation,” what really occurs is the above-mentioned inversion, which is not a shift just from an institutional structure to another, but also from one world to another world, separated by an unbridgeable hiatus. "
HERE IS YOUR LOGICAL FALLACY:
1. ASSUME EVOLA IS THE ONLY SOURCE
2. INTERPRET NARROWLY
3. CONTRAST EXCERPTS
4. IGNORE PHILOSOPHICAL HISTORY OF EVOLA
IN OTHER WORDS, A COMPLEX BEGGING-THE-QUESTION FALLACY THROUGH FALSE APPEAL TO AUTHORITY
ON TO MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
STEPHON CLARK SOUNDS LIKE A MORON (RIP)
BUT TRUMP DENYING CLARK'S SUPPORTERS IS HUGE
IMAGINE OBAMA DOING THIS
Your intellect really isn't suited for any avenue than twitter is it?
I mentioned evola, nietzsche, and guenon; with reference to evola''s evolution towards guenon's position. Provided citations and a coherent argument supported by such.
And you have nothing other than NA NA NA
We also could do this with nietzsche and kacysznki and herzl.
I anticipate your response would not vary.
Which is why you surround yourself with people whose IQs are lower than yours, or in the case of crow, people who don't read theory.
You should replace evola's picture with Bibi Netanyahu's.
varg vs the wogs
VARG REMAINS MASSIVELY ENTERTAINING, A BIT TOO DOGMATIC, BUT MOSTLY RIGHT MOST OF THE TIME
angry nord man
Seeing if u r still hre
Haven't yet been unplugged.
we wuz kangz
AND WE ARE GROWING A NEW GENERATION OF "RACISTS": http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/denying-genetics-isnt-shutting-down-racism-its-fueling-it.html
"RACISM" DOES NOT EXIST
A WHITE GUY PREFERS TO LIVE WITH WHITE PEOPLE... AND SO WHAT?
READING THE FIRST ONE.
TRUMP DID THE SAME THING HE ALWAYS DID
HE FOOLED ALL THE RIGHT WING COMMENTATORS
HE MADE A DEAL, A FAIR DEAL, WITH THE OTHER SIDE
BUT HE DEMANDED AT LEAST ONE CRUCIAL CONCESSION
THEY WOULD NOT DO IT
SO HE OVERTURNED THE WHOLE THING, RUINING THE IDEA OF THE DEAL AT ALL, AND THEN POINTED OUT, HEY, MY PLAN WORKS
Pointing out inconsistency or synchronicity between history, politics and *occult* philosophy is a mug's game. The raw data of history itself is sufficiently like a Rorschach in that one can isolate patterns to create a narrative which will then be pitted against competing narratives woven out of other isolated patterns. Ironically occult histories themselves, such as Evola's in Revolt Against the Modern World, depend on this but it seems most students of occult philosophy don't recognize the winking eye while reading and believe "hey this is what happened" even though these sorts of histories are just de rigour fiction because for whatever reason humans need grandiose stories to take anything seriously. Anyway, whether it's all complete bullshit or not, the point of occultism is to affect changes in consciousness. It can be a practicable tool in politics but the philosophy behind the pragmatic stuff is never, ever, a solid basis for managing interests for a society.
“My principles are only those that, before the French Revolution, every well-born person considered sane and normal.”
yeah that's obviously crap dude
But it's effective in getting people to hate anything humane
Which was *the point*
HE WAS SERIOUS ABOUT THE IDEA OF TRADITION
BUT THAT REQUIRES BREAKING OUT FROM THE MODERN MODEL
SAME THING NIETZSCHE WROTE ABOUT
WE MUST FIRST HAVE DIFFERENT THINKING... A DIFFERENT WAY OF VIEWING THE WORLD...
NOT SO MUCH ANTI-HUMANE AS ANTI-HUMANIST, I.E. HUMAN-CENTERED
PEOPLE WHO READ EVOLA WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE PHILOSOPHICAL BACKGROUND ALWAYS COME UP WITH A BULLSHIT RELIGION
THEY THEN BERATE THE REST OF US FOR NOT FOLLOWING THEIR IDIOTIC FUNDIE VISION
WHEN REALLY, THEY ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON, SO HAVE SEIZED ON THE MOST TANGIBLE THING THERE
AGAIN, WE NEED A CASTE SYSTEM
SOME JUST DO NOT GET IT
MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE: https://www.reddit.com/r/askaconservative/wiki/introductory_reading
HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND A CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHY, IT HELPS
ALSO TO CONSIDER THE CONTEXT OF A CLASSICAL EDUCATION
IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CLASSICAL TEXTS
Serious in the sense that any occult philosophy is serious about creating a tradition that backdates to Atlantis or what have you.
IT WILL MAKE NO SENSE
STREAMS FROM THE HEAVENS
ATLANTIS IS KENNING
Hell the civil war is kenning to the degree that you can have two people argue whether it was about slavery, trade, competing economic models etc
AT SOME POINT, THAT ARGUMENT SIMPLY REVEALS ALIGNMENT
AT ANOTHER, ABILITY TO SEE HISTORY AS MORE THAN A SINGLE TRIGGER EVENT
SOME ARE MEDIA SHEEP
OTHERS ARE ANALYTICAL
In my experience it less reveals alignment than depth of knowledge. Not knowing a bunch of information is fine as long as that is paired with humility. Honestly the thing that keeps people loud, annoying, ignorant and the like isn't the media per se, it's that everyone has easily digestible over-generalized abstractions taken as truth that are tossed around in leiu of actually having real conversations.
The different between media and analytical in this arena is basically degrees of deftness.
THE MEDIA SHEEP ARE LOOKING AT OBJECTS IN A SINGLE DIMENSION
BASED ON THEIR SOCIAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE INDIVIDUAL
SOMEONE WHO THINKS THE CIVIL WAR IS ABOUT SLAVERY IS MISTAKING POLITICAL SYMBOLISM FOR REALITY, FOR EXAMPLE
SAME WAY SOMEONE WHO CARES TOO MUCH ABOUT FORD VS CHEVY
Slavery became symbolic but it wasn't merely a symbol
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WAR, IT WAS A SYMBOL
THE ACTUAL MOTIVATION WAS ELSEWHERE
AS THE MORE NUANCED, COMPLEX HISTORY SHOWS
Cool, I get reddit "muh logical fallacy" response (in caps), then you passive aggressively talk about me to vigilance when I'm not here.
You're a faggot.
The latter isn't in dispute. The former, well, slavery as a force of moral rhetoric that carried practical consequences certainly functions better at building momentum than, I dunno, whether to federally enact trade barriers or free trade.
SLAVERY WAS ALREADY DOOMED
THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER TO LET THE MARKET DO IT OR NOT
WITH THE RISE OF LABOR SAVING DEVICES, IT WAS EASY TO SIMPLY HIRE PEOPLE
That isn't important
IT IS VITAL
YOU ARE TRYING TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN PRETEXT AND CAUSE
no it isn't because we are talking in hindsight not what was apparent to people who were having real debates over policies back then.
ONE MUST NOT CONFUSE POLITICAL SYMBOLS WITH REALITY
VOTERS DO NOT LIKE NUANCE
WAS FERGUSON REALLY ABOUT MIKE BROWN?
Well then join me in nuance man
vaishya party hour.
Lecturing me on the kshatriya phiosopher.
NUANCE REQUIRES LOOKING AT THE UNDERLYING STRUCTURE
AND THAT IS USUALLY ECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHIC, NOT SYMBOLIC
BUT SYMBOLISM IS HOW ONE ACQUIRES VOTES
"Nuance" means never making any specific reference to texts or their history and instead using them in a ham-fisted way in support of temporal political goals.
THE UNDERLYING CAUSES OF THE CIVIL WAR ARE COMPLEX BUT GO WAY BACK TO THE TENSION BETWEEN RURAL AND URBAN STATES
THIS EXPANDED OVER TIME
MOST WARS ARE ECONOMIC
My self-proclaimed red-feminist professor agrees with you.
THE LEFT WANTS TO BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE IS AUTONOMOUS
AND EQUAL IN GENERAL ABILITY
THEREFORE, SYMBOLS MATTER MORE THAN REALITY
Rural versus urban is too vague.
Do you have ADHD?
The only people that discuss equality of ability or outcome are right wing critiques. I really just see left wing people talking about relational equality ie power.
Maybe it's different in universities I dunno
EGALITARIANISM IS ALL ABOUT POWER
Some do seriously believe that genetics provides no limiting factor.
IT WAS INVENTED TO DEPOSE THE UPPER CASTES
But you're looking at only what they verbalize.
Look at what they do.
Hey, what's going on?
A closer approximation to equality of outcome is achieved by forcing the superior students in with the inferior, then teaching to the lower.
So the higher ones become embittered, bored, and "problem kids".
They say that destroying hierarchy means anyone who was previously lower is able to rise to the areas formerly denied to them, but it means that those formerly higher are never allowed to be there again.
Everyone is cut off from it.
I can see your point
Reminds me of a video they showed us in class
Eventually, you end up with CONSERVATIVE TRADITIONALISTS supporting the leering vaishya thinking they're smart.
There was this NGO saying "If we took money from the rich and gave it to the poor we'd all have food and water" and stuff, but what about the rich? Fuck them, right?
Stupid Marxist teachers.
That is what happened in the bolshevik revolution.
2/3 of their wealth should be siezed since they are no longer concerned with investing that into the production of non financial goods and services.
Looting churches was part of the state's revenue.
Not seized by the proletariat though.
People should keep their well-earned stuff, because it's theirs and everyone should keep what they deserve to have.
Yeah, the problem with leftist approaches is defining the "we".
So that's why I'm against socialism.
"We" is those who want to be "us".
If you don't you are "them".
The vicious reactionaries.
Against the tide of progress.
inb4 vigilance says that's the alt right problem
Cuts both ways
Alt right "us" doesn't aim at universality.
SOCIALISM IS JUST AN ECONOMIC INTERPRETATION OF EGALITARIANISM
`we would be colonizing Jupiter by now if it wasn't for welfare` is a chromatic variation of the progress motif.
PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE SHIT FOR BEING THERE
what does that have to do with defining us vs. them around the problem of universality?
Alt-right doesn't presume prior equality.
BEING POOR IN AFRICA DOESN'T ENTITLE YOU TO MIGRATE ILLEGALLY
notice me senpai
SERIOUSLY, IF PEOPLE IN EUROPE UNDERSTOOD
REFUGEES DON'T DESERVE SHIT
Caps are a disease.
Indicative of an American spirit.
Tell that to Diversity is Racism, I'm not going to spam it really.
"If I talk louder, I become smarter".
Reminds me of Africans.
Spamming caps isn't my gig. Really. Geez.
@Horns has nothing to do with universality but I didn't take that to be what you meant exclusively by progress.
I didn't talk about progress.
Against the tide of progress.
OF course the alt-right still has materialist assumptions.
That the health of a society is primarily measured by productive achievments.
The problem with all this is that people think they're entitled to everything for being human beings, and they should take it from the people that have those things.
And that's stupid.
THERE IS NO PROGRESS