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they're joining them together
that's the worst possible idea I ever heard
you see why, right?
if this chat was combined with 4chan it would not stay good very long, that's what will happen to the high priests
it's good for the elders
maybe not so good for the high priests
yeah and they are the ones who actually know shit
and have studied shit
Even when devolved is correct, he's wrong.
they are making sure the people who actually know shit do not have a separate space to discuss it
so even the few people who remember pre-kimball mormonism will be immersed in hippie jesus
They'll have to make a discord server.
you have a point there
You hadn't already thought of this?
you don't even know what we're talking about
I think I know more about it than you, just by reading it here.
hush honey, let the big boys talk
@devolved if I was actual satan and my goal was to destroy the church I couldn't think of a single better move
At any rate, the principle of hierarchical dissolution having negative effects for both tiers is clear.
combining HP and EQ is like assassination of the religion
I like how you constantly think devolved is stupid and has a retardedly incorrect view of Mormonism yet now act like you care about what he thinks.
yeah well this shit is so blatant I'm willing to set that aside
i don't fully understand how this new system will work
hint: it won't
will it be ward-based
the high priest quorum was stake-based right
it was just a second EQ almost
I attended it before
it's just older guys who were set apart as high priests (this is an actual priesthood rank), and had a separate quorum
it literally is a different rank in the priesthood
Are high prests higher or lower than grand wizards?
but the quorum was for the whole stake right
as opposed to the elders quorum which is just for the ward
in my understanding it was ward to ward
the ones I went to were ward
it's just like how young men go to a different meeting
In December 1975 the First Presidency clarified that ward high priests groups function as part of the stake high priests quorum, with the stake president serving as president of the quorum and his counselors in the stake presidency serving as counselors in the quorum. Ward high priests group leaders function under the direction of the stake president.
so they would meet by ward but the stake president was in charge
a possible positive benefit would be to have the older guys dropping some knowledge to the young men
since most of the young men are pretty ignorant
how is the LDS church not exactly on a trajectory that terminates at nondenominational/unitarian protestantism
I am horrified how few people in the quorum know anything
a guy said to me that he "never had any interest in deep doctrine, I just kinda show up lol," and I asked him, "what if 'deep doctrine' knowledge changed your understanding of what you actually have to DO to get into heaven?" and he just looked like he never thought of it before
Is this the mormon Vatican II?
these people are so mentally lazy they basically deserve it
I hate to say
showing up and saying "go team" once a week is not commitment
and that's all 90% of these people do
Most people are sensors.
i've been made a priesthood teacher
Anyway; how about them Red Sox?
so i guess i'll be teaching to the high priests now?
nobody cares about your MBTI autism wild
@devolved I'm not sure if that's the case, might just be EQ, but now yeah under the new retard system you will probably
devolved, how can you teach?
Are you going to point at pictures?
i can be talkative in person
but most of teaching is trying to get the EQ to answer questions
@devolved the new curriculum is basically just talking about last season's conference talks, which are just stories about being Nice 😃
yeah well i don't follow that curriculum
it requires literally no knowledge of scripture, doctrine, revealed anything
i try to actually touch on some interesting points of doctrine and stuff
What happens if you talk to a normal mormon about how black people are cursed by God?
and act like you are wrong
haven't tried it yet
then you show them in the book where it says it, and where brigham young said it too
and they say you're wrong still
there's a white guy with a black girlfriend in my ward
Brigham Young said he should be killed
hopefully they haven't mixed seeds yet
the fastest way to get ex'd I understand is to start teaching out of JoD
or History of the Church
look up what Smith and Young actually *said*, and then *say that,* and then tell them *who said it,* and you're out
Why don't you do that?
I have no intention to get ex'd
Will it impede you from eternal love from Aryan Jesus?
I dunno, let me look it up
you are such a nasty piece of shit, and everything you say is in bad faith
You have an Eternal Love from Aryan Jesus study guide?
Will you send it to me?
I should've taken your offer to meet
You never met yarfy either right?
We would have been something.
I should've broken you
Sticks and stones may break my bones
this change in the elders/HP quorum
i'm thinking it's designed to address smaller, less active wards
ie, probably third world wards
for small wards without many worthy males it makes sense
for big healthy wards in utah and idaho it doesn't make any sense
they are ruining Utah and Idaho for the sake of people who, racially, should not even have had the gospel preached to them in the first place according to Moses 7
i'm watching the conference now
they basically say this
"we went to [shithole] and there weren't enough ordained males so the elders and high priests had a quorum together"
how did we go from "it's really best for you to strengthen the membership where you already are, don't immigrate" to "refugees welcome! #lovewins" in like 3 years' time
ask yourself this - they say all of these new policies are divinely inspired, okay, which divine being came and told them to do it? did they have any signs, or tokens?
did they introduce themselves? did they shake hands?
it's obviously just their administrative change and they said God said it
Joseph Smith wrote out elaborate ways to figure out if a divine messenger was legit or not, because they dealt with so much supernatural that this was an actual problem they faced
when was the last time that happened to any LDS apostles or prophets?
even look up Kimball's priesthood ban lifting
they just got a good feeling and decided God said it
look in any interview
meanwhile Joseph was coached for hours at a time by angels physically visiting him, just hanging out in his room explaining doctrine after doctrine
but now somebody just gets a warm fuzzy and God said it?
I literally have no choice but to forsake the modern church because my belief in the early restored church is too strong
and it's obvious God is not talking to these people anymore
le 56% church
@Horns DEVOLVED IS A CAVEMAN AND EXILARCH IS NOT CONSISTENT. THIS SURPRISES YOU?
I wonder what it's like to be a Jew, looking at the goyim.
How many of them converted to belief in a heretic of one's own religion and adopted names out of Hebrew.
To look at these Anglo-Irish people claiming to be descendants from ancient Semites.
Or claiming that Semitic speaking Semites were actually Aryan.
Goys were the first cultural appropriators.
@diversity_is_racism Not only is he baptizing Nigerians, he's complaining about the israeli treatment of palestinians
"Pope Francis on Saturday led an Easter vigil service, baptizing eight adults, including a formerly undocumented Nigerian migrant beggar who became a hero when he disarmed an Italian thief wielding a cleaver. "
That should be the new line.
Import heroic Nigerians to disarm the violent ones.
@Mother It isn't normal for one people to displace another in their own religion.
"An Italian Carabinieri police captain who worked in the neighborhood, Nunzio Carbone, was his godfather, or sponsor, at Saturday’s baptism service.
Carbone and his fellow policemen helped Ogah get his immigration papers. The Nigerian now works as a stockman at a warehouse for a charity organization. "
Bet it's a pro-migration charity.
This is so pozzed.
They find one migrant who actually isn't a criminal and throw open the Vatican to him.
Although being a former illegal immigrant I suppose he was a criminal <:smug:368620082198216704>
I'm sure his children will be law-abiding Italians.
Waiting for miracles at this point.
Modern idea of "Semitism' has nothing in common with the ancient world
Ancient Levant was composed of several distinct cultures such as Hellenic, Semitic, Assyrian-Armenian-Babylonian type, the Canaanite world and all non-Jewish polities existing from Judea to Galilee, as well as pagan herding cultures living in the Arabian peninsula
Then we move towards Berbers, Hellenes and Egyptians living from Egypt to Mauritania, the Nubians, Phoenicians, Carthagians
No, it has a lot in common.
this was obviously a meeting place of distinct strains of races, types, derivations, spiritual outlooks
Semitic peoples shared then, as they do now, a commonality of language and race.
It ain'nt necesarily sooooooo
"Semitic peoples' yes, but ancient Levant wasn't even majority semitic to begin with
This is like saying because Germans are different from Russians, "indo-European" isn't a viable category.
Moderns when they say "Semitic" they apply it to historical period as if all Middle East was some kind of natural semitic breeding ground
That allows not so clever types such as Varg to declare that Semites hate nature and everything because they live in desert
Forgetting that the "desert" was a polytheist place for thousands of years
With cults similar or not similar to European ones
Canaanites for example praised El and the goddess Asherah in a pretty "Roman" fashion
Erecting altars under tree shades and offering sacrifices
i was talking about Semites and then you popped in saying not all middle easterners were semites.
Has nothing to do with what I was saying.
Yes, but I began with "Modern idea of semitism...." not mentioning you specifically at all
So you were talking to yourself at me?
are you an academic?
You should be.
"Ideal-types" that intellectuals tend to harbor tend to distort things, sometimes fatally
You see yourself as more pragmatic?
Hey, what's up?
No, I do not mean to propose pragmatism, but sensibility
I refuse these ideal types where "Middle East" is a Semitic dominion, and so on
Because we have a much richer historical picture. Europeans are doing themselves a great disservice. Apparently Jews are the most rightful claimants to middle-east and basically "define" the place according to modern European dimwits which is a crime
You know guys, in Spain we have these processions and we carry around religious images through cities and I think there was a guy vlogging about it because he thought the people on the processions were the KKK lol
Whatever happened with Alexander for example?
Yeah, Europeans aren't respecting their prior history of Rome and Greece.
Of course, I do not mean to berate Jews in themselves for no reason, I only intent to have a more clear and less contemporary geo-political view of historical process in general
Europeans have focus on Jewish history due to Christianity.
They care more about ancient Jews than greeks.
Jews are or were simply one among many nations of Levant, not to mention of wider Near East
It's not like babylon and phoenicia still exist.
There are Jews, Arabs, and irrelevant fart people.
That is precisely why moderns tend to emphasize that which is still "living", it is a simple reflex
And semi-consciouslly rewrite everything in accordance
SO suddenly we have Jews as a chief historical motor of the region, not simply a people struggling to go by
Well it is difficult to speak against Israel in favor of Babylonian historical claims when there are no Babylonians.
Egyptians for example in thousands of years of their life in vicinity of them, scarcely ever bothered to mention Jews by name
If Jews were such key protagonists surely they would've earned more account
Personally I think irrendentism as moral justification is pathetic.
Conquering is either good or it isn't.
Whether people vaguely related to the people doing the conquering ever once conquered it means nothing to me.
Irredentism is just one of those subconscious mechanisms, behind which a true will hides
Jews should just say "We have higher IQs and group solidarity than Palestinians, plus we have psychological control over the goys and their weaponry. Blow us, camel drivers."
Instead of "Muh holocaust, muh Israel!"
We yet need to prove that Jews have been mistaken in following their own logic
In fact, it is unnecessary. It is enough to see them as detrimental.
They are undoubtedly a nation that profits the most from every aspect of the new world order, and it is only naturally to expect they will defend it most bitterly
It is having rebounded deleterious effects on Israel.
Plus I have heard American Jews marry goys at a rate higher than 50%.
Israel is either the greatest Jewish feat, or the greatest blunder, time will tell
Jewishness as a race is going the way all other light-skinned ones are.
As a mentality or spirit, we shall see.
One could say it's been universalized as left-leaning capitalism.
Fragility of Israel is underestimated - in relation to its dependence on European economical power and control of resources
Israel must account to work at a double place to secure (rip off from others) resources it might need in the future
Modern Israel is to such an extent conceived upon being a modern techno-state supported by giant cash injections that it is not difficult to understand what Israeli rulers project for the future
Israel's economy is smaller than that of Czech Republic for example, and yet they maintain a huger and modern army. Where does that come from?
I've had someone unironically argue that Israel possessing nukes is enough to ensure its survival. Hearty laughs were had.
Actually multiple people
I was speaking of the Jewish nature of the nation.
Of course it could exist as a mid east America.
A direction even the Arab states are going towards.
The future of the world is miscegenation with African population explosion, finalizing all societies as a mass of mixed race Sudra relating to each other only through the economy, as a small elite of cynical, less-mixed vaishya live isolated from them, eternally afraid of falling into their ranks.
What Marx wrote about capitalism become reality.
Only there will be no proletarian revolution.
Nor any aristocratic revival.
Lmao ur dumb
@Exilarch The diversity in leadership should help broaden conversations about race and ethnicity and add new prisms through which the gospel is viewed, said Ignacio Garcia, a professor of Western and Latino history at Mormon-owned Brigham Young University.
Making a sports analogy, Garcia said the religion has many great minority leaders on the "bench"(mid-tier leadership councils) and now for first time, two in the "starting lineup" (Quorum of the Twelve).
It's likely an indication of the religion's future since indigenous members are who will help sustain the church going forward, Garcia said.
"Those are the ones that are growing: black and brown and Asian," he said. "That's the future of the church."
Hell is their future
Does he know what that English word means?
"He has written on Chicano political parties, the John F. Kennedy presidential campaign as it relates to Latinos, a biography on Hector P. García, an American civil rights icon, the first Mexican American civil rights case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court, and the impact of sports in the Mexican American community."
"His book When Mexicans Could Play Ball has been optioned for a feature film depicting the unlikely journey of a Mexican American high school basketball team to win Texas state titles in 1943 & 1945."
Yeah, back before they had to face Africans.
He wrote an entire book on Mexican high school basketball.
Sounds like a Methodist.
Are you being devolved-like today?
is firefox getting worse or what