nah

@whytho What do you think of the debate so far?

Probably

ya

Darth always wins

@sithfreeman its a fun listen

didnt get far

people always get to angry with darth

@!Co-Owner! the laws of logic

That's because people are idiots

because darth always turns into trying to say you're just stupid

yes

peoples should get angry when they get muted

I dont want to interject, but I do certainly disagree with many of the things stated, but its certainly interestinf

I'm glad to hear that whotho

interesting*

It's nice to know that the debate is going well

whytho go away i am supposed to be the popular one here

>: (

i am a senior

Whytho is top tier user

you are a freshman

All that matters is defending whytho

If you would like a question voiced, please let me know and I will ask it for you

@WingALingDragon rabits are actually extreme individualist

@sithfreeman ty ❤

@whytho fuck whytho that nigga dont even answer a simple ass question

👌🏻

LOL

<:ban:284656276334575616> whytho

heck yourself punk

@trent @trent bich

wolves are collectivist they care about their tribes

listen

you know that question was fucking stupid

shit thought he said kurt cobain

rabits dont care about their own, they dont care about their familles

wow collectivism sounds gay

to care about your childrens is collectivist @WingALingDragon

pumping childrens in mass is individualist

they kick their offspring out to the tree

and hope they learn to fly

Individuals matter within Collectivism, but the group is important

Collectivism is caring about your children, as they are from your group

i need to become a wrinkle brain

on politics

if you care about your children above your own pleasure is collectivist

the bloodline is a collectivist consept

You goys reading this who are in debate - this is some seriously red shit, isn't it?

so dumb

Its collectivist, youre caring about the group more than yourself, the group being your bloodline

I vote for troll

You are putting others before yourself

im not pitching in at all because I am not smart enough to

Im not trolling coon

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cultural collectivism is encouraged by harsh environment

No.

can someone give me like

an example of collectivism in a economy

Strasserism <:ugu:371509111520755712>

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All Black Lives Matter has done is further showcase the stereotype of blacks as uneducated, unintelligent, welfare-leeching loot-crazy degenerate gangsters.

when jews care about their own dynasties, and spreading high quality childrens they are collectivist

oh okay

<:merchantwho:363578436255612929> 💰 :✊🏿

so individualism = dont care about anyone

cultural individualism is cancer

Black Lives Matter actively supports convicted criminals, and in some cases terrorists, as their featured speakers.

@amygdala yeah

BLM is so large and functions "well" because they have a collective culture

its egoism

OH

Ok i get it now

As well as individuals who desire to destroy the very foundation of American society.

The black identity in america makes it easy for them to ally

For example, Linda Sarsour.

Also, they support hypocrites, like Talcum X.

if you care about peoples above your own welfare, you are collectivist

Malcom X is a food person.

talcum X was just an extremist

good person*

Malcom X did nothing wrong.

didn't he advocate for the death of our race

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He wanted Blacks to live on their own

and wanting to kill your childrens to have more wealth for yourself is individualist

Malcolm X mellowed out later down the line and realized how stupid his radical ideology was.

I'm sorry, when did any individualist actively say that it was beneficial to one's self to kill their children?

r selection is very individualist

@Fusion America

Literally over half of america

abortion

they dont care about the life of their own and just reproduce for hedonistic reasons

honestly fam I dont want kids, too much responsibility and costs $$$

Over half of America thinks that killing babies is good because you can live as a more hedonistic and selfish individual

mjessup.

it's not even that whytho

blacks in the US reproduce in mass because it feel good

kids are expensive

and the usa isn't getting any better

Still trying to say that the Individual is more important than the child.

Kids are expensive for those who pay for them.

you should all just copy blacks and have babies and not work so you get welfare checks

and if there wasnt abortion it would do the same as rabbit

@amygdala this but unironically

srsly tho

That theoretically works until there is no government to provide people with welfare.

destroy the system

Then there is nothing beneficial from having a numerous amount of children.

@yvesedwards A North Atlantic right whale with solitary calf. Whale reproduction follows a K-selection strategy, with few offspring, long gestation, long parental care, and a long period until sexual maturity.

making tens of childrens even if they starve(but welfare would protect them) and overrun society

@yvesedwards A litter of mice with their mother. The reproduction of mice follows an r-selection strategy, with many offspring, short gestation, less parental care, and a short time until sexual maturity.

OMG PINGUY

PINGOY

Pinguy accepted my friend request

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@🐧🐧 Pingu 🐧🐧 thank you ❤

I have pinguy added too

im not sure why

lmfao

came back to pubg

What philosophical ideologies would you individuals consider to be associated with collectivism and individualism?

im ok with that

peoples that say i dont get if even trough he is the one that is wrong

@Fusion capitalism = individualism and communism = collectivism? <:Thonk:362811285869559808>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation

Capitalism and communism are economic ideologies

oh

first time i got labeled as troll in 2 year of discord

they are not a philosophical viewpoint

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i am learning

for example, egoism is arguably the most representative philosophy associated with individualism.

oh ok

so it's juist philosophical, thought it gets intertwined

Egoism being the belief that to do 'good' is to benefit one's self to the greatest possible degree.

was going to chat about genetic. Why I posted about breeds of dogs

Egoism is faggy

unironic egoism is ok

i mean ironic*

Utilitarianism - the belief that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few - is the best philosophy to associate with collectivism.

well

I believe that is true

the reason the communist ask for economic collectivism most of the time is because they think it would provide of their individual sake

so collectivism has been BTFOd throughout history and rhetoric

why do we still have these discussions

Don't mind the debate formate. Give people that wouldn't normally chat a chance to talk, but its not very free flowing

I guess it's just a matter of tolerating leeches demanding more gibs then

@Chewbacado We chose it because there are some conservatives who favor having some state involvement in the economy

they can leave

most communist are culturally individualist in modern time

Wing, your Jew impersonation isn't as good as @vec

they just envy the wealty

We figured it would a good enough topic for the server

cultural individualism is just a tool to dissolve the host nation's stability

And we were right, because we've debated the topic for over an hour now

@WingALingDragon some people do not make anything themselves though. I.e. richman inherits from his dad, who inherited from his dad, who inherited form his dad

cultural individualist are the most supporters of welfare

muh ebil rich inheritence

because they want the state to take care of themselves

>puppo gets called out

Any group orientated towards a goal would have a minority of highly industrialist people doing the majority of work.

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that's true

no i'm just curious

boring. debate night is not for me

oh okay

People like to say "muh ebil inheritence" but they ignore the context behind families becoming wealthy and how wealth accumulates or bleeds in a family

uhhhh

In a truly free society, money bleeds in the hands of the incompetent

no matter how much was inherited

this was the case during the Gilded Age

wealthy individualist are the porky strawman the commies use

Yeah if the guy isnt giving enough he deserves to have it stolen

Rags to riches to rags cycle

yeah I wouldn't like that

while the poor individualist are the socialist that want to steal from the wealty to benefit themselves

I just want to say that I approve of how civil this discussion is.

It's matter of authoritarianism

If only chat was this civil all the time.

collectivists will always seek to expand the power of the state

which is incompatable with true individualism

That's a false belief, though.

you're a false retard

oh wait

to put moral above your own interest isnt individualist

So I am not a retard? Thanks.

gottem

sorry it was mostly a meme

Had to remake it. It didn't fit with what we know

But seriously. The belief that if you give one hundred monkeys typewriters and an entire lifetime to work, they will eventually write Shakespeare, has been proven to be statistically impossible.

so that's a meme

you're memeing now

@Fusion of course it would be impossible

Meming the truth

they'd probably try to poop on them or something

1000 people watching out for their own interests individually make economic choices that overall contribute to a stable composite

it's the metaphor of the ant colony

the individualist economy

Simulations have been tested to determine whether it would be possible, and indeed it is. But by the time the monkeys write even a single line of Shakespeare, the universe has ended several times over.

Thus it is statistically impossible.

yeah government and economy are so fucking

complex

The solution is to go ancap

fam

no we need

inb4 kneejerk statists

S T R AS S E R I S M

I'd say no.

if you are not an ancap you are a brainlet

mental midget

I care less about the economy than I care about the people.

Secondary topic?

Do tell.

if you want to stop people from having voluntary transactions

you are nothing more than a selfish materialist

get your kike hands off the economy

Please do.

TO THE SECOND TOPIC

@whytho

Oh boy.

Nah, fuck voluntary shit

Collectivist thought naturally leads to authoritarianism

Both at their absolute extremes are cancerous to human society.

it is a direct consequence

if it aint good you shouldnt be allowed to do it

Good

you cannot enforce collectivism without authoritarianism

Authoritarianism is good

Liberty is gay

lol

>being this much of a mental midget

<:MonkaGiga:362975800146001921>

I like strasserism

to care about the liberty of other peoples is collectivist

which is natsoc

Big FASCIST BOY right her

e

no it's a nash equilibrium

stop stealing my shit u kikes

Authoritarianism forces all of humanity to operate under a single rigidly-structured mindset, allowing little if any flexibility in thought that as such could be used to advance human interests. Eg. no development may take place because to consider something new is to consider something outside the norm.

>right wing socialism

I think we see the problem here.

>muh right wing leftism

socialism is not a bad thing

Helicopter rides are shit

No form of socialism is right wing.

Firing Squads are better