additionately, there are bias trainings

that have experimental weight behind them

Now you're saying cops shouldn't shoot blacks

i stop caring about our governmental system

its all bullshit

@casualgardener we all understand this

@casualgardener Tell me why police being more cautious around a population that commits 10X more murder than anyone else is not justified and i'll paypal you $80 right now.

have fun talking to this brick wall. the Liberal cuckery is too much

but also for white people

latinos

blacks

asians

13% of our population creates 50% of our crime

reidoon, the key is to only shoot when there's feasible evidence of a violent criminal

but racism

like a gun

or a sudden movement towards a pocket

but not skin color alone

LMAO

@casualgardener Right, so if someone reaches for their pants to pull something out and there is a 50% chance it's a gun

youre just gonna sit there

and get shot

no, go ahead and shoot

but there are plenty of cases where clearly unarmed people are shot

that is almost ALL police "murders"

because they were not complying

and they had a reasonable fear for their life

okay you guys dont realize he is just trying to practice his debating skills for a upcoming event

non-compliance =/= has a gun

You know fists work right?

uhhh

non-compliance == greater threat == higher chance of resisting == higher chance of having a weapon

resistance =/= having a weapon

@casualgardener No one said that

The fuck yall niggas on

stop strawmanning

you said it

no one is fucking saying that

Stupid typical white niggas lmao

Chance of beating the cop into a pulp as well

@casualgardener No I did not. Please quote where I said that non compliance means they have a gun

Yall white niggas hide behind yall keyboards yall wouldnt say this shit to a real nigga in the flesh

@casualgardener You are like a logical fallacy machine

you said it has a higher chance of having a weapon

Pussy niggas lmao

higher chance =/= absolutely has

false equivelancy

pay attention

@fuzzysocks4142 Because I'm not fucking retarded

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what im advocating for is, only assume they have a gun if theres direct evidence they have a gun

don't rely on these shorthand probabilities

?

@casualgardener If someone reaches for their pants to pull out a gun you have about 0.25 seconds to save your life

If you tell someone who you believe is a threat not to reach for their pockets

and they reach for their pockets

yeah thats fine!

there is reason to believe your life is in danger

because they did not comply

so shooting them is justified

thats not what happens though! im talking about other circumstances

You have right to hold them at gunpoint

okay, the vast minority?

And shoot

The difference is that if a police is pointing a gun at me, i'm not going to make sudden movements to places where handguns are commonly stored and then have my family cry racism when im dead.

That is the vast, vast majority of police "murders"

brb poop and smoke

Reminder that there's no ripple in the timeline when a white man is shot by a black cop.

sure, and there are unjust white deaths

that said, data don't support the idea that white people are disproportionately shot based on their race

this is the most famous study of police shootings and bias

http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399

Yes it does

really?

show me

I don't need to

It's common sense

lol

cmon

you need to show proof

if youre gonna make a statement like that

Anything can happen based on race

@casualgardener https://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white

Black officers account for a little more than 10 percent of all fatal police shootings. Of those they kill, though, 78 percent were black.

White officers, given their great numbers in so many of the country’s police departments, are well represented in all categories of police killings. White officers killed 91 percent of the whites who died at the hands of police. And they were responsible for 68 percent of the people of color killed.

In 2013, 29% of all crime suspects fatally killed by police were black. However, blacks accounted for 50% of all murders in 2013. Blacks commit many other serious crimes at rates higher than 29%. This suggests that white suspects are actually more likely to be shot by police than black suspects.

So lemme guess, black cops are racist too, right?

yes, they are

holy fuck

im done

what, black people can't be anti-black?

Jesus fuk

@casualgardener They can, but the face is

okay

let me break down your own argument

Everyone is racist huh?

because you seem not to understand what you are saying

okay

go ahead

So, when blacks are killed by white cops, the majority reason is that they are racist and the various factors looking into other reasons are not acceptable. When blacks are killed by black cops, the reason must be that they are self hating racists and the various factions looking into other reasons are not acceptable.

see

all cops should have bias trainings